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> Hacking: Talent over Warez?, or: Which trumps, brains or toys? (Tweak not House Rule)
Kerenshara
post Mar 3 2011, 05:50 AM
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We've already decided we're going to use one of two versions of the Hacking "tweak" from unwired. We still haven't decided which one to use though, because we're kind of split philosophically. Here they are:

#1) Use [Stat + Skill] Cap Hits @ Program RTG (like spell force).

#2) Use [Program RTG + Skill] Cap Hits @ Stat

The first says basically a person is only as good as their tools.

The second says it takes a smart person to get the BEST out of their tools.

So with #1 if you have a script kiddy and a pro using the same Warez, the vet gets more hits but can't keep any more if the kiddy gets lucky.

With #2 and the same basic conditions, the kiddy will have almost the same dice pool, and the keep pools are also potentially closer.

Philosophically I could go either way. In terms of Crunchy BitzTM I'm more likely to go with #1 because it favors the veteran more heavily IMHO and because it's also CONSISTENT with the Magic Spell mechanics.

Thoughts? (Remember, I'm biased playing with all three DP caps in if that affects your opinion.)

-Kerenshara
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- Kerenshara   Hacking: Talent over Warez?   Mar 3 2011, 05:50 AM
- - CanRay   Back in the day, and I'm talking our days, I...   Mar 3 2011, 06:47 AM
- - Tanegar   I favor #1, because hardly anything (that I know o...   Mar 3 2011, 06:52 AM
- - CanRay   Overspecialization bites a lot of people in the ho...   Mar 3 2011, 06:54 AM
- - Epicedion   #1 seems to jive more with reality and the rest of...   Mar 3 2011, 07:22 AM
- - Mardrax   Limited by the program? A reality? You should see ...   Mar 3 2011, 07:46 AM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Mardrax @ Mar 3 2011, 02:46 AM) Li...   Mar 3 2011, 09:50 AM
- - Fatum   Sorry, I can't read your post. Have you tried ...   Mar 3 2011, 07:52 AM
- - CanRay   Too long. Did not read.   Mar 3 2011, 07:58 AM
- - Fatum   Nah, I'm ok with long posts, as long as they h...   Mar 3 2011, 08:46 AM
- - Tanegar   Or you could pull your panties out of your crack a...   Mar 3 2011, 09:18 AM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 3 2011, 12:18 PM) Or...   Mar 3 2011, 10:09 AM
- - Tanegar   QUOTE (Merriam-Webster)Definition of GIBBERIS...   Mar 3 2011, 10:15 AM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 3 2011, 01:15 PM) I...   Mar 3 2011, 10:55 AM
|- - noonesshowmonkey   QUOTE (Fatum @ Mar 3 2011, 05:55 AM) I...   Mar 3 2011, 04:28 PM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (noonesshowmonkey @ Mar 3 2011, 07...   Mar 3 2011, 06:12 PM
|- - noonesshowmonkey   QUOTE (Fatum @ Mar 3 2011, 01:12 PM) Nice...   Mar 5 2011, 12:46 AM
- - Seth   I think both options suck. I like it when people...   Mar 3 2011, 10:15 AM
|- - Tanegar   QUOTE (Seth @ Mar 3 2011, 05:15 AM) I lik...   Mar 3 2011, 10:21 AM
- - Tanegar   If it's unintelligible, how were you able to r...   Mar 3 2011, 11:19 AM
- - Fatum   I am not responding to its contents, because the O...   Mar 3 2011, 11:49 AM
|- - Tanegar   QUOTE (Fatum @ Mar 3 2011, 06:49 AM) I am...   Mar 3 2011, 08:23 PM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 3 2011, 11:23 PM) So...   Mar 3 2011, 10:42 PM
|- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 3 2011, 03:23 PM) So...   Mar 4 2011, 03:02 AM
- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Mar 3 2011, 01:50 PM)...   Mar 3 2011, 11:56 AM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   At our table, Kerenshara, we use option 1. Skill +...   Mar 3 2011, 02:23 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I agree: neither one is a great idea. Hacking isn...   Mar 3 2011, 02:25 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 3 2011, 07:25 AM)...   Mar 3 2011, 02:34 PM
- - Seth   QUOTE I agree: neither one is a great idea. Hackin...   Mar 3 2011, 02:28 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Actually, if this applied to 'Hacking programs...   Mar 3 2011, 02:35 PM
- - Inncubi   I already play with caps on hits on every, relevan...   Mar 3 2011, 02:36 PM
- - Warlordtheft   I used option one for a while but eventually went ...   Mar 3 2011, 02:41 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Mar 3 2011, 07:41 A...   Mar 3 2011, 06:33 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's a font, not a script. And it's hor...   Mar 3 2011, 02:50 PM
- - Seth   QUOTE If a player rolls 10 and you say, 'screw...   Mar 3 2011, 04:10 PM
|- - Inncubi   QUOTE (Seth @ Mar 3 2011, 11:10 AM) Yes. ...   Mar 3 2011, 04:37 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   What happened to warlordtheft happened to my group...   Mar 3 2011, 06:11 PM
- - Mardrax   Style. We're roleplayers.   Mar 3 2011, 06:25 PM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (Mardrax @ Mar 3 2011, 09:25 PM) St...   Mar 3 2011, 07:08 PM
|- - Mardrax   QUOTE (Fatum @ Mar 3 2011, 08:08 PM) Ugly...   Mar 3 2011, 08:01 PM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (Mardrax @ Mar 3 2011, 11:01 PM) Fo...   Mar 3 2011, 08:15 PM
- - deek   I've been (had been, at least) using a variati...   Mar 3 2011, 09:14 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Take it outside, ugh. Other fonts are really annoy...   Mar 3 2011, 10:58 PM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 4 2011, 01:58 AM)...   Mar 3 2011, 11:01 PM
|- - Tanegar   QUOTE (Fatum @ Mar 3 2011, 05:42 PM) Sorr...   Mar 4 2011, 04:19 AM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 4 2011, 07:19 AM) Ni...   Mar 4 2011, 05:43 AM
- - TheOOB   I like the rules as written. There is an important...   Mar 3 2011, 11:48 PM
- - Mardrax   Writing code = coding != hacking. A good hacke...   Mar 3 2011, 11:57 PM
|- - TheOOB   QUOTE (Mardrax @ Mar 3 2011, 06:57 PM) Wr...   Mar 4 2011, 01:42 AM
- - CanRay   I've coded and never touched a hack in my life...   Mar 4 2011, 12:00 AM
- - Mr Clock   I think I'll stick with standard for now, but ...   Mar 4 2011, 12:35 AM
- - CanRay   A great hacker will know more about a system than ...   Mar 4 2011, 01:45 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Facrissake. You both lose. Those fonts are awful, ...   Mar 4 2011, 04:25 AM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 4 2011, 12:25 PM)...   Mar 4 2011, 05:19 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 3 2011, 09:25 PM)...   Mar 4 2011, 02:02 PM
- - deek   Its also part of netiquette to not hijack a thread...   Mar 4 2011, 01:08 PM
- - deek   My table had the same experience as Tymeaus's....   Mar 4 2011, 02:23 PM
- - Yerameyahu   For the millionth time, Tymeaus, your table is nev...   Mar 4 2011, 02:51 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 4 2011, 07:51 AM)...   Mar 4 2011, 03:00 PM
- - DireRadiant   Next people will be complaining about color. Fatu...   Mar 4 2011, 03:29 PM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (deek @ Mar 4 2011, 04:08 PM) Its a...   Mar 4 2011, 03:47 PM
|- - Critias   I'm all for the theory of capped hits as a mea...   Mar 4 2011, 08:55 PM
||- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Critias @ Mar 4 2011, 03:55 PM) I...   Mar 4 2011, 10:55 PM
||- - Critias   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Mar 4 2011, 05:55 PM) ...   Mar 4 2011, 10:58 PM
||- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Mar 4 2011, 05:55 PM) ...   Mar 4 2011, 11:39 PM
|||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 4 2011, 04:39 PM) ...   Mar 5 2011, 12:22 AM
|||- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 4 2011, 07...   Mar 5 2011, 04:00 AM
||- - noonesshowmonkey   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Mar 4 2011, 05:55 PM) ...   Mar 5 2011, 12:54 AM
|- - Mikado   QUOTE (Fatum @ Mar 4 2011, 10:47 AM) Well...   Mar 4 2011, 10:17 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That not quite true: RAW already has Skill as half...   Mar 4 2011, 03:32 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 4 2011, 08:32 AM)...   Mar 4 2011, 03:50 PM
- - Seth   Once again I find myself totally in agreement with...   Mar 4 2011, 03:46 PM
- - Inncubi   Anyone can hack in Sr. That is true. I think anyon...   Mar 4 2011, 03:50 PM
- - Seth   QUOTE Well, true, that, but it's not the first...   Mar 4 2011, 03:50 PM
- - Yerameyahu   For too-many-toys, I prefer capping the +DP instea...   Mar 5 2011, 04:58 AM
- - deek   In response to Critias's point of caps robbing...   Mar 6 2011, 03:05 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's making your own luck. And it means you ...   Mar 6 2011, 03:14 PM
- - Mr Clock   *ding!* How about capping hits at program rat...   Mar 6 2011, 04:05 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That works better than the more general 2xSkill ca...   Mar 6 2011, 04:11 PM
- - Mr Clock   Thanks for the feedback. I was primarily thinking...   Mar 6 2011, 05:02 PM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Mr Clock @ Mar 6 2011, 12:02 PM) C...   Mar 7 2011, 04:48 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Good point about program Rating actually having Ra...   Mar 6 2011, 05:09 PM
- - Saint Hallow   Wasn't there a line from the books that said t...   Mar 6 2011, 06:31 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Saint Hallow @ Mar 6 2011, 02:31 P...   Mar 6 2011, 06:33 PM
- - Mr Clock   If brains are too slow to react directly, wouldn...   Mar 6 2011, 06:37 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Another option is the Stat+Skill+Gear model, which...   Mar 6 2011, 07:29 PM
- - deek   Yeah, it is making your own luck (going back to th...   Mar 7 2011, 04:41 PM
- - deek   Yup, I think the reasons why the core is the way i...   Mar 7 2011, 05:53 PM
|- - Mr Clock   QUOTE (deek @ Mar 7 2011, 05:53 PM) I thi...   Mar 7 2011, 08:04 PM
- - sabs   The problem with Custom Programs, is that. There...   Mar 7 2011, 08:19 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It's just fluff, most likely, but it could als...   Mar 7 2011, 08:26 PM
- - sabs   Yeah, need to create more options.   Mar 7 2011, 08:35 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Actually… that's a great point. What if the di...   Mar 7 2011, 08:50 PM
- - sabs   Mute starts to look nice Optimized looks worthless...   Mar 7 2011, 09:41 PM
- - Kerenshara   Wow. Thanks to everybody who contributed to the d...   Apr 1 2011, 02:46 AM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Mar 31 2011, 10:46 PM...   Apr 1 2011, 02:58 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE (deek @ Mar 6 2011, 07:05 AM) In re...   Apr 1 2011, 03:15 AM
|- - Kerenshara   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 31 2011, 10:15 PM) As f...   Apr 1 2011, 03:30 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Mar 31 2011, 08:30 PM...   Apr 1 2011, 04:07 AM
- - CanRay   Please, no, not again. *Goes back to my corner, c...   Apr 1 2011, 03:38 AM
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