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James McMurray
post Mar 15 2011, 02:44 PM
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Dart pistols need 2 hits to inject their toxin, and I can't find anything that makes armor matter for that so it looks like darts ignore Immunity to Natural Weapons. I also can't find anything that makes spirits immune to toxins. Can a dart loaded with Narcoject take out a spirit by the RAW?
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- James McMurray   Spirits and Dart Pistols   Mar 15 2011, 02:44 PM
- - BishopMcQ   Since the description says that the dart has to pe...   Mar 15 2011, 02:54 PM
|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (BishopMcQ @ Mar 15 2011, 09:54 AM)...   Mar 15 2011, 03:25 PM
- - BishopMcQ   The Damage modifier in the table, says "As Dr...   Mar 15 2011, 03:53 PM
- - CanRay   Load it with the most toxic insecticide you can fi...   Mar 15 2011, 04:31 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   Well, Military Grade Armor ignores Darts... I woul...   Mar 15 2011, 05:44 PM
- - LurkerOutThere   Why, no other logic applies to magic, why should t...   Mar 15 2011, 05:59 PM
|- - Method   QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Mar 15 2011, 12:5...   Mar 15 2011, 06:09 PM
- - Tanegar   Does a materialized spirit have a circulatory syst...   Mar 15 2011, 06:20 PM
|- - Bodak   QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 16 2011, 04:20 AM) D...   Mar 16 2011, 11:21 PM
- - James McMurray   They don't have Immunity to Pathogens/Toxins, ...   Mar 15 2011, 06:32 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Both the question of toxins on materialized spirit...   Mar 15 2011, 07:31 PM
|- - Method   QUOTE (SR4A Page 60)The mechanics for doing things...   Mar 15 2011, 09:40 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Exactly. The important thing is remembering that ...   Mar 15 2011, 09:48 PM
- - Method   I agree, inhabitation is a whole different ball ga...   Mar 15 2011, 09:59 PM
|- - BishopMcQ   QUOTE (Method @ Mar 15 2011, 02:59 PM) wa...   Mar 15 2011, 11:23 PM
- - Cain   Look at it this way: If I spilled radioactive wast...   Mar 16 2011, 03:51 AM
|- - Adarael   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 15 2011, 07:51 PM) Look...   Mar 16 2011, 04:12 PM
- - Yerameyahu   You're comparing toxins and chemicals. Radioac...   Mar 16 2011, 04:33 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 15 2011, 08:33 PM...   Mar 16 2011, 04:41 AM
- - CanRay   Radioactive Waste is stored in "Safety Barrel...   Mar 16 2011, 04:37 AM
- - Yerameyahu   True. And yet, you're still falsely equating t...   Mar 16 2011, 04:46 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 15 2011, 08:46 PM...   Mar 16 2011, 05:12 AM
- - Yerameyahu   AFAIK, materialized spirits are made of something ...   Mar 16 2011, 05:43 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 15 2011, 10:43 PM...   Mar 16 2011, 09:37 AM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 16 2011, 05:37 PM) Agai...   Mar 16 2011, 09:59 AM
- - Seth   QUOTE Basically, why shouldn't fugu venom or b...   Mar 16 2011, 07:45 AM
- - phlapjack77   Bravo! I'm glad there are some actual rule...   Mar 16 2011, 08:23 AM
- - Kliko   This way is madness. Don't go there!   Mar 16 2011, 10:12 AM
- - Seth   QUOTE Again, suppose I know I'm facing down pl...   Mar 16 2011, 10:14 AM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Seth @ Mar 16 2011, 06:14 PM) I mu...   Mar 16 2011, 10:34 AM
- - Yerameyahu   AFAIK, there are no herbicides in the game anyway,...   Mar 16 2011, 02:05 PM
- - pbangarth   The common sense view that spirits are made of dif...   Mar 16 2011, 02:43 PM
- - Raven the Trickster   Yes, but insect spirits are inhabitation spirits, ...   Mar 16 2011, 03:41 PM
- - Stahlseele   How about injecting spirits with FAB?   Mar 16 2011, 04:28 PM
- - Ascalaphus   Rules, like potatoes and chicken, aren't any g...   Mar 16 2011, 04:29 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I think it's Weakness, not Allergy, although w...   Mar 16 2011, 07:34 PM
- - Method   Cain is right in that a lot of toxins are weak aci...   Mar 16 2011, 09:02 PM
- - Adarael   Something I thought of while I was in the shower t...   Mar 16 2011, 09:25 PM
- - Stahlseele   yeah, you can. and since it's an elemental att...   Mar 16 2011, 09:29 PM
- - James McMurray   There is a critter power for Immunity to Pathogens...   Mar 16 2011, 09:30 PM
- - Ascalaphus   What kind of answer are you looking for? Do you w...   Mar 16 2011, 10:27 PM
- - James McMurray   I'm just stating my opinion like everyone else...   Mar 16 2011, 10:51 PM
- - jaellot   Pg. 91 of Runner's Companion states that ...   Mar 16 2011, 11:06 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (jaellot @ Mar 16 2011, 03:06 PM) P...   Mar 16 2011, 11:19 PM
- - Yerameyahu   You keep mentioning herbicides and 'toxic wast...   Mar 17 2011, 02:54 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 16 2011, 07:54 PM...   Mar 17 2011, 03:10 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Again, no. There is a clear difference between rad...   Mar 17 2011, 03:39 AM
- - CanRay   You know, Alcohol is a Toxin (Or a drug, I can...   Mar 17 2011, 03:46 AM
- - Bodak   Spirits are not living subjects at all. Would spi...   Mar 17 2011, 03:46 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Bodak @ Mar 16 2011, 07:46 PM) Spi...   Mar 17 2011, 04:10 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I don't believe vacuum is an issue for spirits...   Mar 17 2011, 03:54 AM
- - Bodak   I am referring explicitly to vacuum - nothing to d...   Mar 17 2011, 04:21 AM
- - Yerameyahu   It makes even less sense than a plant spirit being...   Mar 17 2011, 04:27 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Bodak @ Mar 16 2011, 09:21 PM) I a...   Mar 17 2011, 04:52 AM
|- - Bodak   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 17 2011, 02:52 PM) Ther...   Mar 17 2011, 05:59 AM
- - Yerameyahu   So, no? They certainly exist in the Sixth World, ...   Mar 17 2011, 04:58 AM
- - Cain   First, show me where it says they're immune to...   Mar 17 2011, 07:01 AM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 17 2011, 08:01 AM) Air ...   Mar 17 2011, 10:25 AM
|- - Bodak   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 17 2011, 06:01 PM) Air ...   Mar 17 2011, 10:44 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Bodak @ Mar 17 2011, 03:44 AM) No....   Mar 17 2011, 10:56 AM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 17 2011, 11:56 AM) What...   Mar 17 2011, 12:15 PM
- - Seth   QUOTE I actually have never played an enjoyable ga...   Mar 17 2011, 11:06 AM
- - Method   This whole argument is silly. Does it say that fis...   Mar 17 2011, 11:57 AM
- - Stahlseele   It boils down to: The rules don't say they are...   Mar 17 2011, 12:28 PM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 17 2011, 07:28 AM...   Mar 17 2011, 01:07 PM
- - Seth   QUOTE Either you accept that players can KO spirit...   Mar 17 2011, 12:57 PM
- - Seth   A decent street sam makes mince meat of most spiri...   Mar 17 2011, 01:13 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Seth @ Mar 17 2011, 06:13 AM) A de...   Mar 17 2011, 01:18 PM
- - Method   Agreed.   Mar 17 2011, 01:22 PM
- - phlapjack77   It's topics like this that have me adopting so...   Mar 17 2011, 01:58 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Mar 17 2011, 06:58 A...   Mar 17 2011, 02:04 PM
- - Yerameyahu   At least give Voltaire credit when you quote him. ...   Mar 17 2011, 02:22 PM
- - pbangarth   This is the crux of the issue: biological damage ...   Mar 17 2011, 02:36 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Mar 17 2011, 07:36 AM)...   Mar 17 2011, 03:24 PM
- - KarmaInferno   i generally go with "could it hurt a rock?...   Mar 17 2011, 03:51 PM
|- - Prime Mover   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Mar 17 2011, 11:51 ...   Mar 17 2011, 04:06 PM
- - Seth   So the rules on spirits are fairly clear. Spirits ...   Mar 17 2011, 04:20 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Seth @ Mar 17 2011, 10:20 AM) So t...   Mar 17 2011, 04:22 PM
- - Seth   QUOTE Except that Spirits are not really all that ...   Mar 17 2011, 04:27 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Seth @ Mar 17 2011, 09:27 AM) I gu...   Mar 17 2011, 06:39 PM
- - James McMurray   If you're using SnS ammo as written even Force...   Mar 17 2011, 06:43 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (James McMurray @ Mar 17 2011, 11:4...   Mar 17 2011, 06:57 PM
|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 17 2011, 01...   Mar 17 2011, 07:02 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (James McMurray @ Mar 17 2011, 01:0...   Mar 17 2011, 08:16 PM
- - Seth   I have never used stick and shock as I think it...   Mar 17 2011, 08:04 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Seth @ Mar 17 2011, 02:04 PM) I ha...   Mar 17 2011, 08:17 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yeah, but how many can soak the tons of stun? Bes...   Mar 17 2011, 08:54 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 17 2011, 02:54 PM...   Mar 17 2011, 09:01 PM
- - Laodicea   This is just another SnS vs. Spirits thread with a...   Mar 18 2011, 04:19 PM
|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Laodicea @ Mar 18 2011, 11:19 AM) ...   Mar 18 2011, 04:23 PM
|- - Ascalaphus   QUOTE (Laodicea @ Mar 18 2011, 05:19 PM) ...   Mar 18 2011, 04:38 PM
- - CanRay   There's only one question I have about Spirits...   Mar 18 2011, 06:33 PM
- - Cain   The point of all this being, the rules are perfect...   Mar 19 2011, 08:33 AM
- - James McMurray   Immunity to Normal Weapons provides an armor ratin...   Mar 19 2011, 10:50 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Ditto.   Mar 19 2011, 01:03 PM
- - Seth   I think we covered this pretty properly up above. ...   Mar 19 2011, 09:47 PM
- - Stahlseele   Spirits don't have skin. No Organs. Nothing wh...   Mar 19 2011, 09:52 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Logic doesn't connect those statements.   Mar 19 2011, 10:05 PM
- - Stahlseele   because it's fucking magic. magic tells you th...   Mar 19 2011, 10:10 PM
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