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post Apr 2 2011, 09:37 AM
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I felt bad about the Uber Troll Bow topic because you guys are right. On first inspection of the rules, it appears that ANY weapon can be fired twice in one simple action if dual wielded: "If a character has one weapon in each hand, he may fire once with each weapon by expending one Simple Action." (core book, simple action, fire weapon). But that sentence references "attacker using second firearm" which dictates that this rule may only be used for pistol and SMG class weapons.

In light of this, I felt it would be prudent to bring a more legal character to the table. May I present: mr. McKillAnythingInOneShot.

A lot of the following will look familiar, but bear with me. To begin with, just a simple troll for my metatype.

before mods:
10 STR (maxed)
6 AGI (Exceptional Attribute and Genetic Optimization)
6 EDGE
spend the rest somewhere else.

max archery at 6 and specialize in bows for +2

Bioware to get:
+1 STR => muscle augmentation
+2 AGI => muscle toner
+1 AGI, STR => suprathyroid gland
+1 archery => reflex recorder
+2 initiative passes => synaptic booster

qualities:
Aptitude (+1 Archery nat. max.)
Exceptional Attribute (+1 AGI nat. max.)
Hawk Eye (range modifiers reduced by one step)

Final stats:
12 STR
9 AGI
7+1=8 archery (aptitude quality and reflex recorder)

other equipment:
Rating 12 bow with smartgun system
piles of explosive arrows
MRSI software


Here's the breakdown on how this guy is used in abstract:
1. Use MRSI to analyze the high and low trajectories for your bow.
2. Set those trajectories to aim for called shots.
3. ???
4. Profit.

and rules wise:
IP1: ready weapon, take aim
IP2: call shot for +4 DV, fire weapon, ready weapon
IP3: take aim, call shot for +4 DV, fire weapon, roll attack

Hopefully you hit whatever you were aiming for with (14+1+4)*2 = 38 DV + hits. That is, if you can make your attack roll of (AGI 9 + Archery 8 + specialization 2 + smartgun 2 - called shot 4) 17 (+6 for 23 if you use edge). If you average 1 hit per 3 dice, then your average modified attack is either 44 or 45.
According to the flight time rules in WAR, the target can avoid the first arrow if he moves (I'd love to have some debate on this), but that can be counteracted by Hawk Eye with Adept, and replacing the synaptic boosters with improved reflexes level 3 (the other bioware costs 1.4 essence). Simply use your first initiative pass normally, then use the last 3 as above. Its doubtful your enemy will act in the last 2 IPs.

So, if you manage to make your attack, and your GM buys hits for his armored vehicles, You could probably destroy the strongest land vehicle I've ever seen in one Combat turn. That is to say this:
Aztechnology Cuanmitztli which has 36 body 30 armor, Would last 3 seconds against a guy with a bow.

All in all, even a pornomancer can't take these rods. Can I get a high five?
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- longbowrocks   Non shiva-arms trollBow   Apr 2 2011, 09:37 AM
- - Stahlseele   The Pornomancer will talk these rods into letting ...   Apr 2 2011, 09:58 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 2 2011, 02:58 AM)...   Apr 2 2011, 10:03 AM
- - Stahlseele   No, but you can get something similar to it. At l...   Apr 2 2011, 10:07 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 2 2011, 03:07 AM)...   Apr 2 2011, 10:10 AM
- - Stahlseele   Ah, did overread that. And no, you can't add h...   Apr 2 2011, 10:17 AM
- - longbowrocks   oh yeah. I've often regretted that ammo modifi...   Apr 2 2011, 10:23 AM
- - Method   I will never understand the facination some people...   Apr 2 2011, 10:34 AM
- - Stahlseele   Because it's awesome. Dot Com!   Apr 2 2011, 10:35 AM
- - longbowrocks   Agreed with Stahl. It's fun! Anyway, as w...   Apr 2 2011, 11:19 AM
- - Method   I understand. I'm just pointing out that thes...   Apr 2 2011, 12:34 PM
|- - K1ll5w1tch   QUOTE (Method @ Apr 2 2011, 05:34 AM) I u...   Apr 2 2011, 03:21 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Apr 2 2011, 07:21 AM)...   Apr 2 2011, 05:26 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Apr 2 2011, 11:21 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 01:49 AM
- - Glyph   I don't get how you're doubling the damage...   Apr 2 2011, 04:11 PM
|- - Ramorta   QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 2 2011, 12:11 PM) I do...   Apr 2 2011, 04:25 PM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 2 2011, 10:11 AM) I do...   Apr 3 2011, 01:58 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Method @ Apr 2 2011, 05:58 PM) My ...   Apr 3 2011, 04:04 AM
- - Epicedion   Physics to the rescue: When you launched the firs...   Apr 2 2011, 05:36 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 2 2011, 09:36 AM) ...   Apr 2 2011, 05:59 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 2 2011, 12:36 PM) ...   Apr 2 2011, 06:08 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 2 2011, 02:08 PM) I...   Apr 2 2011, 06:26 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 2 2011, 01:26 PM) ...   Apr 2 2011, 08:18 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   It should go without Saying, but Maximum Bow Stren...   Apr 2 2011, 06:35 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 2 2011, 10...   Apr 2 2011, 07:52 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 2 2011, 11:52 A...   Apr 2 2011, 09:12 PM
||- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 2 2011, 01:12 PM) No, ...   Apr 3 2011, 01:43 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 2 2011, 12:52 P...   Apr 3 2011, 03:30 PM
- - longbowrocks   I really don't understand why everybody gets s...   Apr 2 2011, 08:40 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Not the point. Even if 45 wasn't significantl...   Apr 2 2011, 09:07 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 2 2011, 01:07 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 01:58 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I did read that part, longbowrocks. Did you read m...   Apr 3 2011, 02:07 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 2 2011, 06:07 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 04:25 AM
- - Draco18s   Going down that road only leads to Pun-Pun. A tho...   Apr 3 2011, 04:08 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 3 2011, 12:08 PM) G...   Apr 3 2011, 04:20 AM
|- - Method   QUOTE (toturi @ Apr 2 2011, 10:20 PM) A t...   Apr 3 2011, 04:55 AM
|- - K1ll5w1tch   QUOTE (Method @ Apr 2 2011, 09:55 PM) The...   Apr 3 2011, 04:59 AM
||- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (K1ll5w1tch @ Apr 2 2011, 08:59 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 06:01 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Method @ Apr 3 2011, 12:55 PM) The...   Apr 3 2011, 05:49 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (toturi @ Apr 2 2011, 09:49 PM) A r...   Apr 3 2011, 05:53 AM
|- - Method   QUOTE (toturi @ Apr 2 2011, 11:49 PM) A r...   Apr 3 2011, 10:08 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Method @ Apr 3 2011, 06:08 PM) It ...   Apr 3 2011, 12:37 PM
- - Irion   How I love things like this. This is always the ti...   Apr 3 2011, 10:58 AM
- - Yerameyahu   longbowrocks, I read your post as specifying 36 ar...   Apr 3 2011, 01:51 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 3 2011, 05:51 AM)...   Apr 3 2011, 04:57 PM
- - KarmaInferno   This is kinda why I miss the "damage reductio...   Apr 3 2011, 02:03 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It is a little odd. They are different, though, an...   Apr 3 2011, 02:22 PM
- - Yerameyahu   You see my point, though. Most firearms can't ...   Apr 3 2011, 05:19 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 3 2011, 09:19 AM)...   Apr 3 2011, 05:52 PM
- - Stahlseele   *snickers* you do your handle proud ^^   Apr 3 2011, 05:56 PM
- - Yerameyahu   longbowrocks, as I said, those stats were ridiculo...   Apr 3 2011, 06:13 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 3 2011, 10:13 AM)...   Apr 3 2011, 06:58 PM
|- - Ramorta   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 3 2011, 02:58 P...   Apr 3 2011, 07:07 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Ramorta @ Apr 3 2011, 11:07 AM) Wh...   Apr 3 2011, 07:31 PM
|- - Ramorta   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 3 2011, 03:31 P...   Apr 3 2011, 07:44 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Ramorta @ Apr 3 2011, 11:44 AM) Ac...   Apr 3 2011, 07:53 PM
|- - Ramorta   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 3 2011, 03:53 P...   Apr 3 2011, 07:59 PM
- - Glyph   I think the main thing making this hypothetical ar...   Apr 3 2011, 06:46 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 3 2011, 10:46 AM) I th...   Apr 3 2011, 07:26 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 3 2011, 11:26 A...   Apr 3 2011, 10:18 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 3 2011, 02:18 PM) That...   Apr 3 2011, 10:24 PM
|- - Ramorta   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 3 2011, 06:24 P...   Apr 3 2011, 10:29 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Ramorta @ Apr 3 2011, 02:29 PM) No...   Apr 3 2011, 10:35 PM
- - Stahlseele   *nods* bows are, and allways have been, balanced l...   Apr 3 2011, 07:31 PM
- - Stahlseele   But then he's just another elf and not a one t...   Apr 3 2011, 07:46 PM
|- - Ramorta   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 3 2011, 03:46 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 07:49 PM
- - Stahlseele   Thrown weapons are only STR/2+x though, right? Of ...   Apr 3 2011, 07:52 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 3 2011, 11:52 AM)...   Apr 3 2011, 07:57 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 3 2011, 09:57 P...   Apr 3 2011, 07:59 PM
|- - Ramorta   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 3 2011, 03:59 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 08:09 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Ramorta @ Apr 3 2011, 12:09 PM) Wh...   Apr 3 2011, 08:20 PM
|- - Ramorta   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 3 2011, 04:20 P...   Apr 3 2011, 08:32 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Ramorta @ Apr 3 2011, 12:32 PM) It...   Apr 3 2011, 09:08 PM
||- - Ramorta   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 3 2011, 05:08 P...   Apr 3 2011, 09:31 PM
||- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Ramorta @ Apr 3 2011, 01:31 PM) Th...   Apr 3 2011, 09:44 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ramorta @ Apr 3 2011, 02:32 PM) Yo...   Apr 3 2011, 09:45 PM
- - Stahlseele   No, because for that i'd have to be an elf (NE...   Apr 3 2011, 08:11 PM
- - Ramorta   Are you proposing a limp wristed elf could even LI...   Apr 3 2011, 08:17 PM
- - Stahlseele   Yah . . why they release stuff like that even thou...   Apr 3 2011, 08:36 PM
|- - Ramorta   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 3 2011, 04:36 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 08:41 PM
- - Stahlseele   14R makes it CharGenLegal right? At least with Res...   Apr 3 2011, 08:43 PM
- - Stahlseele   We have one handed grenade-launchers that can be m...   Apr 3 2011, 09:10 PM
- - longbowrocks   ITS Gonryu from WAR already has FA mode. Where are...   Apr 3 2011, 09:15 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 3 2011, 11:15 P...   Apr 3 2011, 09:22 PM
- - longbowrocks   ty. I found the grenade stacking rules just now, w...   Apr 3 2011, 09:26 PM
- - Stahlseele   It's what we do. Well, that and squabble over ...   Apr 3 2011, 09:27 PM
- - Stahlseele   You don't NEED MRSI with the overlapping grena...   Apr 3 2011, 09:33 PM
|- - Ramorta   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 3 2011, 05:33 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 09:42 PM
- - longbowrocks   So how do grenade launchers work? Here's how i...   Apr 3 2011, 09:49 PM
- - Stahlseele   So . . what happens to a Target that gets hit with...   Apr 3 2011, 09:49 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 3 2011, 03:49 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 09:53 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 3 2011, 01:49 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 09:54 PM
- - Stahlseele   *snickers* still, you get chunky salsa of the gren...   Apr 3 2011, 09:56 PM
- - longbowrocks   Oh my god. if the walls are strong enough, and onl...   Apr 3 2011, 10:06 PM
- - Draco18s   Actually, you wouldn't get Chunky Salsa with t...   Apr 3 2011, 10:08 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 3 2011, 02:08 PM) A...   Apr 3 2011, 10:14 PM
- - Stahlseele   So . . what . . you get the complete 1920 Damage(o...   Apr 3 2011, 10:10 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 3 2011, 02:10 PM)...   Apr 3 2011, 10:15 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 4 2011, 12:15 A...   Apr 3 2011, 10:23 PM
- - longbowrocks   Also, does anyone know where the stats/cost for mi...   Apr 3 2011, 10:44 PM
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