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Faelan
post Apr 17 2011, 07:37 PM
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I have been considering running a SR4A game for a while now, but I have concerns over the Magic system as the game progresses. The reason this is the case is because while Magic can increase without limit, every other attribute is restricted. Since you resist spells with a fixed attribute it strikes me that no matter what happens eventually the Magic characters are going to have a completely different level of ability when compared with unawakened characters. In some respects I don't have a huge problem with this since they do appear to be karma sinks, but at the same time I think it could get out of hand to the point where running the game would be a pain since some of the players could essentially become henchman due to completely differing levels of power. So I was wondering if anyone had tweaked the magic system to avoid this. I have been considering linking casting to one of the mental attributes based on the tradition of the caster, and using centering as a casting pool (sort of) allowing it to enhance the spell or resist drain, so while some powerful effects would be possible you would be paying with pain. Also Magic as an attribute would still be necessary since force would still be governed by it. Anyway I am looking for ideas, I want something that works, because as it stands I don't see how a long running game can survive, and since most of my games last a while, I don't want to get into something that will give me headaches down the road.
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- Faelan   Problem with the Magic Attribute   Apr 17 2011, 07:37 PM
- - Bigity   You mean without a hard limit imposed by the rules...   Apr 17 2011, 07:48 PM
- - Critias   Remember that in order to improve the Magic attrib...   Apr 17 2011, 07:50 PM
|- - fazzamar   QUOTE (Critias @ Apr 17 2011, 02:50 PM) R...   Apr 17 2011, 08:25 PM
|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (fazzamar @ Apr 17 2011, 03:25 PM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 01:57 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (fazzamar @ Apr 17 2011, 04:25 PM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 03:37 PM
- - Glyph   The potentially unlimited potential of Magic is ge...   Apr 17 2011, 08:42 PM
|- - Fringe   QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 17 2011, 04:42 PM) I w...   Apr 17 2011, 09:25 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Fringe @ Apr 17 2011, 02:25 PM) Th...   Apr 18 2011, 02:18 AM
||- - Fringe   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 17 2011, 09...   Apr 18 2011, 03:21 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Fringe @ Apr 18 2011, 09:21 AM) Wh...   Apr 18 2011, 03:54 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 17 2011, 12:42 PM) so ...   Apr 18 2011, 04:28 AM
|- - darthmord   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 18 2011, 12:28 ...   Apr 18 2011, 05:58 AM
- - Tanegar   What will you do about metamagics that interact wi...   Apr 17 2011, 10:04 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Tanegar @ Apr 17 2011, 02:04 PM) W...   Apr 18 2011, 04:20 AM
- - Glyph   If I adopted those house rules, I would get rid of...   Apr 17 2011, 10:22 PM
- - Scyldemort   I really do not see a problem with magic as writte...   Apr 18 2011, 02:31 AM
- - kzt   Overcasting is a much bigger problem. I don't...   Apr 18 2011, 02:41 AM
|- - Scyldemort   QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 18 2011, 02:41 AM) Overc...   Apr 18 2011, 02:45 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Scyldemort @ Apr 17 2011, 08:45 PM...   Apr 18 2011, 01:03 PM
|- - Fringe   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 18 2011, 08...   Apr 18 2011, 03:34 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Fringe @ Apr 18 2011, 09:34 AM) Bu...   Apr 18 2011, 03:58 PM
- - Faelan   Thanks for all the replies, they are proving helpf...   Apr 18 2011, 03:11 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Faelan @ Apr 17 2011, 10:11 PM) SR...   Apr 18 2011, 03:46 AM
|- - Scyldemort   QUOTE (Critias @ Apr 18 2011, 03:46 AM) I...   Apr 18 2011, 03:57 AM
- - Scyldemort   Every one of those stackable defensive options req...   Apr 18 2011, 03:38 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Don't forget that the crazy magic character ca...   Apr 18 2011, 03:41 AM
- - Faelan   Look, I am not a newb so please save the patronizi...   Apr 18 2011, 04:01 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Faelan @ Apr 17 2011, 11:01 PM) Lo...   Apr 18 2011, 04:11 AM
|- - Fortinbras   QUOTE (Faelan @ Apr 17 2011, 11:01 PM) Lo...   Apr 18 2011, 10:02 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Faelan @ Apr 17 2011, 10:01 PM) So...   Apr 18 2011, 01:08 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Psh, don't drag me into this. I was talking to...   Apr 18 2011, 04:06 AM
- - Epicedion   You get diminishing returns on Magic pretty quickl...   Apr 18 2011, 04:36 AM
- - kzt   Being able to do it in orbit? That's what the...   Apr 18 2011, 04:40 AM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 17 2011, 08:40 PM) Being...   Apr 18 2011, 06:01 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 17 2011, 11:01 ...   Apr 18 2011, 05:39 PM
- - TheOOB   I realize this might be a touchy subject, but it i...   Apr 18 2011, 04:41 AM
- - Scyldemort   Diminishing returns technically does occur once yo...   Apr 18 2011, 04:44 AM
- - Thanee   Just put a maximum on Initiate Grade equal to 6 (o...   Apr 18 2011, 07:09 AM
- - bluedao   The oppositions counterspelling scales at the same...   Apr 18 2011, 09:52 AM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (bluedao @ Apr 18 2011, 11:52 AM) T...   Apr 18 2011, 11:20 AM
- - Faelan   Sorry I stirred up a hornets nest, it was not my i...   Apr 18 2011, 10:31 AM
|- - Fortinbras   QUOTE (Faelan @ Apr 18 2011, 05:31 AM) So...   Apr 18 2011, 11:11 AM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Apr 18 2011, 05:11 AM...   Apr 18 2011, 01:29 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Faelan @ Apr 18 2011, 01:31 PM) I ...   Apr 18 2011, 11:14 AM
- - Irion   High magic had been a problem, when the attributes...   Apr 18 2011, 10:40 AM
- - Cheops   The problem you are going to run into in a long ca...   Apr 18 2011, 03:52 PM
- - James McMurray   Trying to pull this back on topic and identify/rec...   Apr 18 2011, 04:09 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (James McMurray @ Apr 18 2011, 07:0...   Apr 18 2011, 04:24 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Admittedly, that's the 'obscene munchkinis...   Apr 18 2011, 04:29 PM
- - James McMurray   Sorry, had a brain fart. It should have been 15-is...   Apr 18 2011, 04:37 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (James McMurray @ Apr 18 2011, 07:3...   Apr 18 2011, 04:55 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Mäx @ Apr 18 2011, 12:55 PM) Ok, t...   Apr 18 2011, 04:57 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 18 2011, 10:57 AM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 05:08 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 18 2011, 12:57 PM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 05:20 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 18 2011, 01:20 PM)...   Apr 18 2011, 05:26 PM
|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 18 2011, 12:26 PM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 05:43 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (James McMurray @ Apr 18 2011, 01:4...   Apr 18 2011, 05:50 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 18 2011, 09:26 AM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 05:49 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 18 2011, 01:26 PM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 06:09 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 18 2011, 02:09 PM)...   Apr 18 2011, 06:21 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 18 2011, 01:21 PM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 06:24 PM
|- - Seerow   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 18 2011, 06:21 PM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 06:42 PM
|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Seerow @ Apr 18 2011, 01:42 PM) So...   Apr 18 2011, 06:49 PM
||- - Mäx   QUOTE (James McMurray @ Apr 18 2011, 09:4...   Apr 18 2011, 06:54 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Seerow @ Apr 18 2011, 11:42 AM) Da...   Apr 18 2011, 07:03 PM
|- - Seerow   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 18 2011, 07...   Apr 18 2011, 07:08 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Seerow @ Apr 18 2011, 03:08 PM) so...   Apr 18 2011, 07:11 PM
|- - Seerow   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 18 2011, 07:11 PM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 07:14 PM
- - longbowrocks   Looking through this, it looks like a few people h...   Apr 18 2011, 04:42 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Don't be silly, longbowrocks. For one thing, a...   Apr 18 2011, 04:51 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 18 2011, 09:51 AM...   Apr 18 2011, 05:04 PM
- - Yerameyahu   No, it's not a choice *between* those. It...   Apr 18 2011, 05:08 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I dunno. The threads demonstrating that Banishing ...   Apr 18 2011, 05:26 PM
- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 18 2011, 10:08 AM...   Apr 18 2011, 05:46 PM
|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Apr 18 2011, 12:46 ...   Apr 18 2011, 05:51 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (James McMurray @ Apr 18 2011, 09:5...   Apr 18 2011, 06:24 PM
- - Yerameyahu   3 dice (from Magic) isn't important. Ask Mäx a...   Apr 18 2011, 05:53 PM
- - Irion   Banishing is good against high force unbound spiri...   Apr 18 2011, 06:30 PM
- - Yerameyahu   A sustaining focus sustains a spell; that's th...   Apr 18 2011, 06:34 PM
- - Yerameyahu   "used to increase the damage value". Don...   Apr 18 2011, 06:46 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 18 2011, 02:46 PM...   Apr 18 2011, 06:48 PM
|- - Seerow   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 18 2011, 06:46 PM...   Apr 18 2011, 06:49 PM
- - Draco18s   Mainly because it's a rule that encourages ove...   Apr 18 2011, 06:56 PM
- - Seerow   QUOTE (Mäx @ Apr 18 2011, 06:54 PM) I hav...   Apr 18 2011, 07:00 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Seerow @ Apr 18 2011, 03:00 PM) Ho...   Apr 18 2011, 07:05 PM
||- - Seerow   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 18 2011, 07:05 PM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 07:11 PM
||- - Mäx   QUOTE (Seerow @ Apr 18 2011, 10:11 PM) Ex...   Apr 18 2011, 07:15 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Mäx @ Apr 18 2011, 03:15 PM) There...   Apr 18 2011, 07:17 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Seerow @ Apr 18 2011, 10:00 PM) So...   Apr 18 2011, 07:07 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Seerow @ Apr 18 2011, 12:00 PM) Ho...   Apr 18 2011, 07:14 PM
|- - Seerow   QUOTE Seerow, again, we're talking about the R...   Apr 18 2011, 07:20 PM
- - Irion   @Yerameyahu What is "the long run"? 500 ...   Apr 18 2011, 07:05 PM
- - Yerameyahu   All of our discussions have to be at least based i...   Apr 18 2011, 07:07 PM
- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Apr 18 2011, 01:48 PM) ...   Apr 18 2011, 07:12 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 18 2011, 12:12 PM)...   Apr 18 2011, 07:20 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It might make more sense for splitting to work tha...   Apr 18 2011, 07:14 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 18 2011, 02:14 PM...   Apr 18 2011, 07:26 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 18 2011, 12:26 PM)...   Apr 18 2011, 07:31 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yup. So, choosing is RAW, and not increasing DV i...   Apr 18 2011, 07:26 PM
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