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post May 4 2011, 05:03 AM
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So I was looking over Runner's Companion and checking out the meta variants when I noticed something weird about the Night Ones. They cost 35 BP and you get the following bonus. Keen Ears ( +5 BP) and Low-light Vision (free cuz you're an elf) but you end up with Allergy (Sun Light, Mild, -10BP), Unusual Hair (-5 BP), Nocturnal (-10 BP).

So if you add that up you get 25 points of negative qualities for 5 points of positive ones and your race costs 5 points more than a standard elf. Is there some attribute adjustment missing somewhere or what?

Seems to me they get shafted when compared to the other variants. Compare this with the Wakyambi for example, who also cost 35 BP and get Celerity and Elongated Limbs (+5BP each) and Low-light vision (free again cuz you're an elf) with no negative qualities. Was this corrected somewhere? There is no errata for RC and my version (hardcover) is a first printing.
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- Mantis   Night Ones   May 4 2011, 05:03 AM
- - Stahlseele   They factored fluff(how seldom a given meta type i...   May 4 2011, 05:30 AM
|- - Medicineman   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 4 2011, 12:30 AM)...   May 4 2011, 06:47 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Medicineman @ May 4 2011, 01:47 AM...   May 4 2011, 06:50 AM
|- - Medicineman   QUOTE (Critias @ May 4 2011, 01:50 AM) It...   May 4 2011, 07:51 AM
- - Epicedion   Shadowrun Metavariant Rarity Tax, move along.   May 4 2011, 05:37 AM
|- - Starmage21   QUOTE (Epicedion @ May 4 2011, 12:37 AM) ...   May 6 2011, 12:55 AM
- - Critias   To clarify: I'm not saying it's a good id...   May 4 2011, 08:07 AM
- - Mantis   3rd. ed didn't have quite the same disparity i...   May 4 2011, 08:36 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Mantis @ May 4 2011, 03:36 AM) ......   May 4 2011, 08:57 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Mantis @ May 4 2011, 11:36 AM) esp...   May 4 2011, 08:58 AM
- - Summerstorm   Aye... i have nothing against "Paying for sty...   May 4 2011, 08:52 AM
- - Machiavelli   Sorry, but i see no rarity cost in other metatypes...   May 4 2011, 08:53 AM
- - Hagga   If I remember correctly, aren't Orks the best ...   May 4 2011, 08:58 AM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (Hagga @ May 4 2011, 09:58 AM) If I...   May 4 2011, 12:17 PM
||- - Fauxknight   QUOTE (Rasumichin @ May 4 2011, 07:17 AM)...   May 4 2011, 12:46 PM
||- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Fauxknight @ May 4 2011, 09:46 AM)...   May 4 2011, 02:32 PM
|- - Fauxknight   QUOTE (Hagga @ May 4 2011, 03:58 AM) If I...   May 4 2011, 12:38 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Fauxknight @ May 4 2011, 05:38 AM)...   May 4 2011, 03:28 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 4 2011, 10:28 A...   May 4 2011, 03:46 PM
- - Irion   Yes it is plain bullshit to factor rarity into the...   May 4 2011, 09:45 AM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   Yes, it was because of this that I've made ano...   May 4 2011, 11:52 AM
- - Irion   @longbowrocks QUOTE I think you'll find, on cl...   May 4 2011, 03:44 PM
- - longbowrocks   Benefit is 1 luck. 0:1 == 1:infinity. or rather...   May 4 2011, 03:49 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 4 2011, 10:49 A...   May 4 2011, 03:59 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Draco18s @ May 4 2011, 11:59 AM) 0...   May 4 2011, 04:04 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Draco18s @ May 4 2011, 08:59 AM) S...   May 4 2011, 04:05 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 4 2011, 11:05 A...   May 4 2011, 04:52 PM
||- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Draco18s @ May 4 2011, 09:52 AM) T...   May 4 2011, 05:28 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Draco18s @ May 4 2011, 10:59 AM) 0...   May 4 2011, 05:09 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (CanRay @ May 4 2011, 12:09 PM) As ...   May 4 2011, 05:10 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (CanRay @ May 4 2011, 02:09 PM) No,...   May 4 2011, 05:18 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ May 4 2011, 12...   May 4 2011, 05:21 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Draco18s @ May 4 2011, 11:21 AM) I...   May 4 2011, 06:07 PM
- - Epicedion   It's undefined. You're thinking about limi...   May 4 2011, 03:52 PM
- - Irion   @longbowrocks QUOTE Benefit is 1 luck. 0:1 == 1:in...   May 4 2011, 03:57 PM
- - longbowrocks   Purely situational. In this case, you're ga...   May 4 2011, 04:01 PM
- - Epicedion   Ahem. Division, which is what you're doing, i...   May 4 2011, 04:36 PM
- - Irion   May we get our heads around, that this sort of cal...   May 4 2011, 04:53 PM
- - Mantis   How did my post turn into a discussion on math? ...   May 4 2011, 05:26 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Mantis @ May 4 2011, 12:26 PM) How...   May 4 2011, 05:30 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (CanRay @ May 4 2011, 12:30 PM) Dou...   May 4 2011, 05:37 PM
|||- - CanRay   QUOTE (Draco18s @ May 4 2011, 12:37 PM) D...   May 4 2011, 05:46 PM
||- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (CanRay @ May 4 2011, 02:30 PM) Wel...   May 4 2011, 06:04 PM
||- - CanRay   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ May 4 2011, 01...   May 4 2011, 06:21 PM
||- - Headshot_Joe   QUOTE (CanRay @ May 4 2011, 10:21 AM) But...   May 4 2011, 06:29 PM
|- - Fortinbras   QUOTE (Mantis @ May 4 2011, 12:26 PM) Nig...   May 4 2011, 05:51 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ May 4 2011, 12:51 PM)...   May 4 2011, 05:58 PM
|- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ May 4 2011, 12:51 PM)...   May 5 2011, 02:23 AM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 5 2011, 02:23 A...   May 5 2011, 01:14 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Rasumichin @ May 5 2011, 08:14 AM)...   May 5 2011, 01:32 PM
|- - Fortinbras   QUOTE (Draco18s @ May 5 2011, 08:32 AM) O...   May 5 2011, 02:57 PM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ May 5 2011, 10:57 PM)...   May 6 2011, 02:07 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ May 5 2011, 09:07 PM...   May 6 2011, 03:33 AM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (CanRay @ May 6 2011, 11:33 AM) Bah...   May 6 2011, 03:47 AM
- - KarmaInferno   You have to remember to divide by fnord. -k   May 4 2011, 05:47 PM
- - Dez384   The cost of playing a metavariant or SURGE charact...   May 4 2011, 06:08 PM
- - CanRay   Shadowrunners can get vehicle insurance? News to ...   May 4 2011, 06:45 PM
|- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (CanRay @ May 4 2011, 02:45 PM) EDI...   May 4 2011, 11:54 PM
- - longbowrocks   So I just thought of a really innovative and origi...   May 4 2011, 06:49 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 4 2011, 03:49 P...   May 4 2011, 06:51 PM
- - Dez384   Don't Forget some martial arts techniques, par...   May 4 2011, 06:56 PM
- - Epicedion   Speaking of the above, has anyone ever hit a PC wi...   May 4 2011, 06:58 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Epicedion @ May 4 2011, 01:58 PM) ...   May 4 2011, 07:08 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (CanRay @ May 4 2011, 12:08 PM) If ...   May 4 2011, 07:31 PM
|- - ggodo   QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 4 2011, 12:31 P...   May 4 2011, 08:16 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (ggodo @ May 4 2011, 01:16 PM) I WI...   May 4 2011, 08:20 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (ggodo @ May 4 2011, 10:16 PM) I WI...   May 4 2011, 08:36 PM
- - Stahlseele   You'd probably miss him with that agility . .   May 4 2011, 07:09 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 4 2011, 02:09 PM)...   May 4 2011, 07:11 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 4 2011, 04:09 PM)...   May 4 2011, 07:24 PM
|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ May 4 2011, 12...   May 4 2011, 07:28 PM
|- - Dez384   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ May 4 2011, 03...   May 4 2011, 11:57 PM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (Dez384 @ May 5 2011, 12:57 AM) Gym...   May 5 2011, 12:32 AM
- - Stahlseele   Several of mine did . . One of them brought the b...   May 4 2011, 07:21 PM
- - Mantis   Ugh. And I thought the math derail was bad. I su...   May 4 2011, 07:33 PM
|- - Fortinbras   QUOTE (Mantis @ May 4 2011, 02:33 PM) I s...   May 4 2011, 07:42 PM
- - Stahlseele   Well, combine the maxed out agility with everythin...   May 4 2011, 07:34 PM
- - Stahlseele   QUOTE LIIIEEEFIIIEEELD!!!   May 4 2011, 07:43 PM
- - Dez384   Really, Nocturnal shouldn't decrease attribute...   May 4 2011, 07:57 PM
|- - Bigity   QUOTE (Dez384 @ May 4 2011, 02:57 PM) Rea...   May 4 2011, 08:53 PM
- - KCKitsune   Most certainly not my combat medic... Sleep regula...   May 4 2011, 08:36 PM
- - Glyph   I think Xapiri Thepe are about tied with night one...   May 5 2011, 02:18 AM
- - Dez384   Could it be an ethnic tax? For instance, an aggre...   May 5 2011, 03:11 AM
- - CanRay   One of the Metavarients must be Indian. (The Huma...   May 5 2011, 03:13 AM
- - Halflife   Nartaki are the Indian human metavariant that look...   May 5 2011, 04:00 AM
- - Dez384   Harumen (a dwarf variant) are also Indian.   May 5 2011, 04:06 AM
- - CanRay   Ah yes, Nartaki... One of my players wanted to ma...   May 5 2011, 04:07 AM
- - Dez384   That wouldn't be too hard to do without an ext...   May 5 2011, 04:16 AM
- - CanRay   When dealing with Humanity in all it's forms, ...   May 5 2011, 02:47 PM
- - Glyph   That would be fine, if they actually did that - yo...   May 6 2011, 01:58 AM
|- - Starmage21   QUOTE (Glyph @ May 5 2011, 08:58 PM) That...   May 6 2011, 03:02 AM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Starmage21 @ May 6 2011, 12:02 AM)...   May 6 2011, 12:34 PM
- - Stahlseele   You are Unique. JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE!   May 6 2011, 12:48 PM
- - CanRay   Sorry I was gone for a bit, the Special Snowflake ...   May 6 2011, 03:20 PM
- - Mantis   Hey CanRay, does it mean it's a really good th...   May 6 2011, 05:04 PM
- - longbowrocks   I love it when my threads get derailed into other ...   May 6 2011, 05:12 PM
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- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Halflife @ May 6 2011, 12:16 PM) ...   May 6 2011, 05:21 PM
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