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IKerensky
post May 5 2011, 11:35 AM
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Hi,

I am planning to start again my SR campaign but I feel the character were to strong the last time... Even since the start using basic rules. They were very seldom indangered by opposition.

Magic user in peculiar were gamebreaker (adepts less than caster but even them), overcasting and spirit summoning make them far too strong, especially as spirit aren't enough limitated in the rules and are so damn fast to summon even on the flight. Mind control, healing or invisibility spell rules, the same than social adept talent they can ruin a scenario very fast by controlling NPC.

I fail to really hurt them in battle because of the amount of concealable armor avaliable, I had to resolve for all opposition to use narrow burst of APCR wich make a lot of the gear in the book totally useless. And even when I hurt them the mage wave his hand and cure it all.

Drain was a great disappointement, especially Overcasting drain who was a plain joke. Magician just doesnt really care about it as it was very easy to cancel/heal.

The only way I feel out of it would have been to resort to true Munchkinism but that is a way I dont want to follow.

Anyone with a set of rules/house rules to produce less strong characters and more lethal background ?
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- IKerensky   PC are too strong, what to do ?   May 5 2011, 11:35 AM
- - Hagga   Use the background count rules. Add in magical opp...   May 5 2011, 12:03 PM
- - Blade   Drain doesn't magically heal and if you apply ...   May 5 2011, 12:53 PM
- - sabs   huge amounts of armor means that you're taking...   May 5 2011, 12:55 PM
- - Loch   Background Count (Street Magic p. 117) is your fri...   May 5 2011, 12:58 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   While throwing a lot of magicians to attack your P...   May 5 2011, 12:58 PM
- - Sengir   Killer security vs. mages: The building lights swi...   May 5 2011, 01:18 PM
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|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 5 2011, 02...   May 5 2011, 01:58 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sengir @ May 5 2011, 06:58 AM) If ...   May 5 2011, 02:08 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 5 2011, 02...   May 5 2011, 03:04 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sengir @ May 5 2011, 08:04 AM) He ...   May 5 2011, 04:01 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 5 2011, 05...   May 6 2011, 11:48 AM
|- - Kyrel   QUOTE (Sengir @ May 6 2011, 01:48 PM) So ...   May 6 2011, 12:59 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Sengir @ May 6 2011, 01:48 PM) So ...   May 6 2011, 01:22 PM
||- - Sengir   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 6 2011, 01:22 PM...   May 6 2011, 02:30 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sengir @ May 6 2011, 08:30 AM) Uh ...   May 6 2011, 02:35 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sengir @ May 6 2011, 05:48 AM) So ...   May 6 2011, 01:33 PM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Sengir @ May 6 2011, 07:48 AM) So ...   May 6 2011, 01:47 PM
- - Warlordtheft   For increased lethality things to kkep in mind reg...   May 5 2011, 01:19 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   [quote name='Warlordtheft' date='May 5...   May 5 2011, 01:27 PM
|- - cndblank   Great thread all (as I take notes for the gunsling...   May 5 2011, 06:06 PM
- - CeeJay   Just two more things regarding magic: - Casting o...   May 5 2011, 01:33 PM
- - Wesley Street   @OP. Limit your PCs to 300BP in charagen. It doesn...   May 5 2011, 01:34 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Wesley Street @ May 5 2011, 03:34 ...   May 5 2011, 03:35 PM
|- - Wesley Street   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 5 2011, 10:35 AM...   May 6 2011, 12:01 PM
- - nezumi   I don't know how new you are to the game. SR h...   May 5 2011, 01:39 PM
- - Blade   Since we've drifted towards a "non house-...   May 5 2011, 01:44 PM
- - Ascalaphus   What kind of opposition are you using? If it's...   May 5 2011, 01:57 PM
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|- - longbowrocks   QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ May 5 2011, 05:57 AM)...   May 5 2011, 02:35 PM
- - sabs   Mages wearing contacs/glasses will have problems w...   May 5 2011, 02:02 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (sabs @ May 5 2011, 07:02 AM) Mages...   May 5 2011, 02:09 PM
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|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (sabs @ May 5 2011, 07:15 AM) Indir...   May 5 2011, 02:28 PM
- - Irion   @Tymeaus Jalynsfein You need a free LOS. QUOTE A...   May 5 2011, 02:18 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Irion @ May 5 2011, 07:18 AM) @Tym...   May 5 2011, 02:26 PM
- - UmaroVI   You seem to be describing two problems. Figure out...   May 5 2011, 02:26 PM
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- - sabs   Mage sight goggles are an affront to shadowrun M...   May 5 2011, 02:32 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (sabs @ May 5 2011, 07:32 AM) Mage ...   May 5 2011, 02:44 PM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (sabs @ May 5 2011, 03:32 PM) Mage ...   May 5 2011, 06:16 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 5 2011, 08...   May 5 2011, 02:35 PM
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|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 5 2011, 09...   May 5 2011, 03:02 PM
|- - Fortinbras   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 5 2011, 10:02...   May 5 2011, 03:17 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 5 2011, 08:02...   May 5 2011, 04:07 PM
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|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (sabs @ May 5 2011, 09:40 AM) form ...   May 5 2011, 02:56 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 5 2011, 02:56...   May 5 2011, 03:07 PM
|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (sabs @ May 5 2011, 10:07 AM) That...   May 5 2011, 04:16 PM
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- - James McMurray   Remember that as GM you have infinite numbers on y...   May 5 2011, 02:44 PM
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- - sabs   Never underestimate the power of suppression fire ...   May 5 2011, 02:45 PM
- - DireRadiant   Shadowrun is not Arena combat. Arena combat can be...   May 5 2011, 03:24 PM
- - Irion   Throw a granade.   May 5 2011, 03:43 PM
|- - Dez384   QUOTE (Irion @ May 5 2011, 11:43 AM) Thro...   May 5 2011, 04:11 PM
- - Blade   If you want to restrict your PC's power after ...   May 5 2011, 03:46 PM
- - Seth   I have a much simpler option than the above: numbe...   May 5 2011, 04:14 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Seth @ May 5 2011, 09:14 AM) I hav...   May 5 2011, 04:28 PM
- - sabs   What rules did I break? I'm really confused a...   May 5 2011, 04:22 PM
|- - James McMurray   QUOTE (sabs @ May 5 2011, 11:22 AM) What ...   May 5 2011, 04:35 PM
- - Seth   My favourite tactic actually is to adopt an idea f...   May 5 2011, 04:46 PM
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|- - Nath   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 5 2011, 08:47 PM...   May 5 2011, 08:30 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It depends on who you're fighting, of course.   May 5 2011, 05:17 PM
- - KCKitsune   You know, IKerensky, you could always sit your pla...   May 5 2011, 05:33 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Interesting. I love when core mechanics are assemb...   May 5 2011, 08:31 PM
- - Manunancy   In the opening post you mentioned the PCs being he...   May 5 2011, 10:07 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Manunancy @ May 5 2011, 03:07 PM) ...   May 5 2011, 10:34 PM
- - Cain   You know, I'm surprised no one's mentioned...   May 5 2011, 10:51 PM
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|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 5 2011, 09:47 PM)...   May 6 2011, 01:26 PM
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|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ May 6 2011, 04:34 PM...   May 6 2011, 02:44 PM
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- - sabs   Well, what's even more irritating, if you...   May 6 2011, 02:50 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (sabs @ May 6 2011, 08:50 AM) Well,...   May 6 2011, 03:11 PM
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