May 28 2011, 04:15 AM
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I've noticed before that War! gets a lot of guff, but only recently took an interest in the perception of it. I chose the wrong thread to start that discussion in, so I'm picking it up here.
I really don't understand all the hate war gets. Without war, street sammies would be able to one-shot anything the GM could throw at them (they still can, but now it's harder and only has a 50% success rate in the more extreme cases). People are going to powergame one way or another. At least now you can't get any item listed in any book you want (restricted gear) at chargen. I was then asked for references to my claims. Here we go: For tougher opposition, I was talking about the meanest vehicle in the game: the Aztechnology Cuanmitztli main battle tank, which is followed by many more of the toughest vehicles in the game (Strictly speaking, there's one main battle tank in MilSpecTech that gets second place for the title of "meanest"). There is also the Aesir weapons satellite. Normal players can't afford these things, but a GM can use them. Some may say these weapons are overkill, and in most games they'd be right, but if everyone's powergaming, these may be necessary since there are builds that can kill that tank in 1 IP (or even one hit) from chargen. As for "At least now you can't get any item listed in any book you want (restricted gear) at chargen", most of the stuff in War! is over 20 availability. Now I have something to do with my cash other than hoard it for delta grade synaptic boosters. |
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longbowrocks Is War! Really that Bad? May 28 2011, 04:15 AM
Yerameyahu I'm pretty sure no one's complaining about... May 28 2011, 04:32 AM
Socinus When used properly, most of the stuff in War! ... May 28 2011, 04:41 AM
CanRay I think the major issue was that it was promoted a... May 28 2011, 04:50 AM
Medicineman QUOTE Is War! Really that Bad?, Fatum: I moved... May 28 2011, 04:55 AM
Daishi There are some components of War! that are usa... May 28 2011, 05:30 AM
Faelan Generally speaking a bunch of the crunch is unnece... May 28 2011, 06:59 AM
Socinus QUOTE (Faelan @ May 28 2011, 06:59 AM) La... May 28 2011, 09:28 AM

Faelan QUOTE (Socinus @ May 28 2011, 05:28 AM) T... May 28 2011, 11:28 AM

Demonseed Elite QUOTE (Socinus @ May 28 2011, 05:28 AM) T... May 28 2011, 12:40 PM

Fatum QUOTE (Socinus @ May 28 2011, 01:28 PM) T... May 28 2011, 06:47 PM
KarmaInferno QUOTE (Faelan @ May 28 2011, 01:59 AM) Ge... May 28 2011, 01:12 PM
Faelan QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 28 2011, 08:12 ... May 28 2011, 03:03 PM
Mäx QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 28 2011, 04:12 ... May 29 2011, 10:27 AM
Fatum QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 28 2011, 08:15 ... May 28 2011, 09:05 AM
longbowrocks QUOTE (Fatum @ May 28 2011, 01:05 AM) Als... May 28 2011, 02:27 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 28 2011, 08:27 ... May 28 2011, 02:54 PM
longbowrocks QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 28 2011, 06... May 28 2011, 02:58 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 28 2011, 08:58 ... May 28 2011, 03:01 PM
Yerameyahu Also, video games have them. What? Don't look... May 28 2011, 01:19 PM
Prime Mover 1. War did not burn my eyes out.
2. War could have... May 28 2011, 02:27 PM
Method QUOTE (Prime Mover @ May 28 2011, 09:27 A... May 28 2011, 07:36 PM
Fatum QUOTE (Method @ May 28 2011, 11:36 PM) I ... May 28 2011, 08:20 PM
Method QUOTE (Fatum @ May 28 2011, 02:20 PM) I a... May 28 2011, 08:48 PM
Fatum QUOTE (Method @ May 29 2011, 12:48 AM) If... May 28 2011, 09:32 PM
Method QUOTE (Fatum @ May 28 2011, 04:32 PM) Als... May 29 2011, 01:08 AM
CanRay "Battle Rifles" are also called "De... May 28 2011, 03:45 PM
KarmaInferno Well, I think I get what you are saying.
"As... May 28 2011, 03:52 PM
Faelan QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 28 2011, 11:52 ... May 28 2011, 04:15 PM
Yerameyahu Damage Code and Ranges, too—not that range tends t... May 28 2011, 03:56 PM
Irion QUOTE And we head back into the area of Shadowrun ... May 28 2011, 04:06 PM
CanRay "It's not the bullet with your name that ... May 28 2011, 05:08 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (CanRay @ May 28 2011, 10:08 AM) ... May 28 2011, 05:11 PM
Irion Well, a problem with shadowrun is the way it is bu... May 28 2011, 09:12 PM
James McMurray I personally don't see the problem with the Sl... May 28 2011, 09:27 PM
Fatum QUOTE (Irion @ May 29 2011, 01:12 AM) And... May 28 2011, 09:34 PM

James McMurray QUOTE (Fatum @ May 28 2011, 04:34 PM) Ah,... May 28 2011, 09:44 PM

Fatum QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 29 2011, 01:4... May 28 2011, 09:58 PM

Demonseed Elite QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 28 2011, 04:4... May 28 2011, 10:18 PM

Fatum QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ May 29 2011, 02... May 28 2011, 10:21 PM

KarmaInferno QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ May 28 2011, 05... May 29 2011, 12:00 AM
Irion Also very nice is the Technomancer Radar. I guess ... May 28 2011, 09:51 PM
James McMurray QUOTE (Irion @ May 28 2011, 04:51 PM) Als... May 28 2011, 10:19 PM
Fatum QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 29 2011, 02:1... May 28 2011, 10:28 PM
longbowrocks QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 28 2011, 02:1... May 29 2011, 08:57 AM
Irion QUOTE Better yet I roll over you with a car. Now n... May 28 2011, 10:30 PM
James McMurray QUOTE (Fatum @ May 28 2011, 05:28 PM) An ... May 28 2011, 11:48 PM
Fatum QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 29 2011, 03:4... May 29 2011, 12:09 AM
Nevermind QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 28 2011, 11:4... May 29 2011, 01:02 AM
KarmaInferno Slow is pretty much an impenetrable bullet shield ... May 29 2011, 12:16 AM
Fatum QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 29 2011, 04:16 ... May 29 2011, 12:33 AM
KarmaInferno QUOTE (Fatum @ May 28 2011, 08:33 PM) Ah,... May 29 2011, 01:36 AM
longbowrocks QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 28 2011, 05:36 ... May 29 2011, 09:06 AM
Stahlseele Yes, a Tank can squash the mage . .
But if you ne... May 29 2011, 12:53 AM
Fatum QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 29 2011, 04:53 AM... May 29 2011, 02:59 PM
James McMurray QUOTE (Fatum @ May 29 2011, 09:59 AM) The... May 29 2011, 06:03 PM
Yerameyahu That, and the snarky/angry tone *everywhere* in th... May 29 2011, 01:43 AM
jizo would you guys rule that it affected lasers, or HE... May 29 2011, 02:37 AM
Nevermind QUOTE (jizo @ May 29 2011, 02:37 AM) woul... May 29 2011, 03:16 AM
Yerameyahu To repeat words from above, 'aren't photon... May 29 2011, 03:18 AM
James McMurray QUOTE (Fatum @ May 28 2011, 07:09 PM) Tro... May 29 2011, 04:24 AM
James McMurray Huh, never knew there was a limit to the number of... May 29 2011, 04:25 AM
Fatum QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 29 2011, 08:2... May 29 2011, 03:16 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Fatum @ May 29 2011, 09:16 AM) Goo... May 29 2011, 04:41 PM

Fatum QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 29 2011, 08... May 29 2011, 05:52 PM
James McMurray QUOTE (Fatum @ May 29 2011, 10:16 AM) Unt... May 29 2011, 05:58 PM
Fatum QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 29 2011, 09:5... May 29 2011, 06:44 PM
James McMurray QUOTE A levitating mage some meters in the air wit... May 29 2011, 04:25 AM
KarmaInferno QUOTE (James McMurray @ May 28 2011, 11:2... May 29 2011, 05:19 AM
Jhaiisiin One comment from earlier about a lack of playteste... May 29 2011, 05:54 AM
Ryu Slow works until a mass of (200kg*net hits) is mov... May 29 2011, 08:59 AM
longbowrocks QUOTE (Ryu @ May 29 2011, 12:59 AM) Slow ... May 29 2011, 09:08 AM
Irion @Ryu
QUOTE Slow works until a mass of (200kg*net h... May 29 2011, 10:43 AM
Fauxknight I don't mind the power creep thats in it, most... May 29 2011, 10:47 AM
Stahlseele Earth is moving.
WAY more than force*200 kg.
Nowh... May 29 2011, 12:11 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 29 2011, 06:11 AM... May 29 2011, 02:31 PM
Irion @Stahlseele
QUOTE Nowhere does it say in relation ... May 29 2011, 12:12 PM
Medicineman QUOTE (Irion @ May 29 2011, 07:12 AM) @St... May 29 2011, 12:56 PM
Irion QUOTE Maybe thats the Reason why its omitted in th... May 29 2011, 01:41 PM
Prime Mover Haven't used anything in War in a game yet. B... May 29 2011, 02:17 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Prime Mover @ May 29 2011, 08:17 A... May 29 2011, 02:21 PM
Irion @Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE That is 18,941 J
Thats n... May 29 2011, 03:11 PM
Irion QUOTE Good job converting energy to mass. Could yo... May 29 2011, 03:23 PM
Stahlseele The Mass Levitate is how the German War! takes... May 29 2011, 05:40 PM
KarmaInferno QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 29 2011, 01:40 PM... May 29 2011, 06:26 PM
Stahlseele QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 29 2011, 08:26 ... May 29 2011, 06:30 PM
Faelan A simple smoke grenade, flare combo screws the spe... May 29 2011, 06:21 PM
KarmaInferno QUOTE (Faelan @ May 29 2011, 02:21 PM) A ... May 29 2011, 06:30 PM
Faelan QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 29 2011, 02:30 ... May 29 2011, 06:36 PM
Irion @James McMurray
QUOTE But, you seem like another c... May 29 2011, 06:25 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Irion @ May 29 2011, 09:25 PM) @Ja... May 29 2011, 06:27 PM
Irion QUOTE (Mäx @ May 29 2011, 07:27 PM) No he... May 29 2011, 06:36 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Irion @ May 29 2011, 09:36 PM) Oh,... May 29 2011, 06:40 PM
Yerameyahu Obscures the mage's vision? Are you kidding? May 29 2011, 06:32 PM
Faelan QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 29 2011, 02:32 PM... May 29 2011, 06:50 PM
Yerameyahu QUOTE Now I do realize many mages will have optics... May 29 2011, 06:51 PM
longbowrocks QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 29 2011, 11:51 AM... May 29 2011, 06:56 PM
Irion @Mäx
Players tend to not give in any second earlie... May 29 2011, 06:59 PM
Faelan Smoke would still obscure on the Astral since it i... May 29 2011, 07:00 PM
Yerameyahu Smoke does not. That's why there's FAB. May 29 2011, 07:02 PM![]() ![]() |
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