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MJBurrage
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From multiple other threads it is apparent that there are many changes to Fourth Edition supplemental books that have not been disclosed officially in English.

The intent of this thread, is for it to be maintained (like the Who's Who thread linked in my Sig) as a collection of the relevant changes, based upon input from everyone here at Dumpshock.

To keep the thread on topic—and to prevent it from being derailed—please to not post opinion on the merits of the changes, nor the merits of the publishers. (There are other threads for that). Rather just lets us know of any changes to the rules or canon fluff that you are aware of (I'm not worried about spelling, grammar, or character's interpretations of fluff).

Street Magic

Adept Initiation (p.31)
Groups may consider allowing adepts to gain 1 Power Point instead of a Metamagic at Initiation.
This first appeared in the official Errata, and was included in the second printing of the book. It was removed from the third printing of the book—as was all the errata included in the second printing.

Aspected Mana Static (Environmental, Area)
Type: M • Range: LOS (A) • Duration: P • DV: (F ÷ 2) + 4
This spell was removed during playtesting for being too powerful, but was still listed in the Spell Table. The spell was apparently still included in the first German printing of Street Magic, and functioned the same as its parent spell Mana Static, except that since the created background count was aspected to the caster’s tradition, it provided any caster of the same tradition a bonus instead of a penalty.


Augmentation

Multiple Essence Modifiers (p.32)
Example: secondhand Rating 2 alphaware muscle replacement:
The base Essence cost of the implant would be 1.92 (the original 2 Essence cost for Rating 2 muscle replacement × 0.8 for alphaware grade × 1.2 for the second-hand state of the implant), while the Availability would be 9R (10R for the original implant, –1 for being second-hand) and the cost 10,000¥ (10,000¥ × 2 × 0.5).
While it has been confirmed on Dumpshock,(Peter Taylor) that multiple modifiers should be added to each other before being applied, the German printing (BodyTech) has no such change, and uses the same multiplicative math in the example above.
With respect to Cybersuites, Page 50 of
BodyTech does say to add the modifiers.

Simsense Booster and Control Rig Booster (p.37,108)
The German printing states that you can combine them.

Trauma Damper (p.70)
The German printing states that Stun damage may only be reduced to a minimum of 1 box.

Nano-Biomonitor (p.112)
Errata posted on Dumpshock,(Peter Taylor) and the German printing state that it improves medical nanoware systems by 1.

"Essence hole" (p.112)
... if you remove one cyberware item that had an Essence Cost of 1, you may install up to Essence Cost 1 of new cyberware without lowering your Essence total. Any cost over 1 would be deducted as normal. Note that a bioware implant would not be able to fill that same hole, however—cyberware only.
The German printing states that "Essence holes" from implants are universal, I.E. bioware can fill a hole left by cyberware and vice-versa.


Arsenal
The German printing (Arsenal 2070) includes extra equipment, which is included in DamienKnight's Character Generator


Runners Companion

Karma Character Generation Costs (1st & 2nd print, p.41)
Metatype (shapeshifter type, etc.): 0
The German printings, and 3rd English printing state that the Karma Cost equals the Build Point Cost.
Improving an attribute by 1: New rating × 3
Since SR4A, this has been new rating × 5.


War!

The Fleshfinder (p.120)
The item was not included in the German printing (Fronteinsatz).

Slow (Physical) (p.178)
Type: P • Range: LOS (A) • Duration S • DV: (F ÷ 2) + 3
This spell saps the kinetic energy of moving objects (relative to the manasphere, which in most cases is the Earth) in its area of effect. Movement in the area is limited to one meter per second, enough to mitigate damage from bullets, explosions, or falls. The spell ends when the caster stops sustaining it or the amount of mass moving in the area of effect exceeds 200 kg per hit on the Spellcasting Test. This spell does not change forces (such as gravity), just speed.
This spell is often used by special forces for HALO insertions without a parachute.
This spell was replaced in the German printing by a Mass Levitation spell, due to the perceived potential for abuse discussed on the Dumpshock bulletin boards.

Other Changes (will better format later)
  • You can launch a cruise missile from an airplane. (It takes 2 reinforced external mounts to mount a cruise missile.)
  • Recharge only works on handheld devices.
  • Ballast Tanks removed from ships not otherwise equipped for submersible operation.
  • No jobs for poisoning wells and killing roma and sinti.


Related threads (will integrate confirmed errata later this week)


Last Edited – 2011-JUN-07 19:55
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- MJBurrage   Apocryphal Rules Errata   Jun 4 2011, 08:16 PM
- - Udoshi   Approval. I'm curious if there's any chan...   Jun 4 2011, 08:46 PM
- - Yerameyahu   By curious, I assume you mean 'praying hard...   Jun 4 2011, 08:47 PM
- - Sengir   I'm currently working on a pdf with all the ex...   Jun 5 2011, 12:16 AM
- - Glyph   You also pay for the metatype cost in Karma (orks ...   Jun 5 2011, 11:00 AM
|- - Ghost_in_the_System   QUOTE (Glyph @ Jun 5 2011, 07:00 AM) You ...   Jun 5 2011, 02:21 PM
|- - Mantis   QUOTE (Glyph @ Jun 5 2011, 04:00 AM) You ...   Jun 5 2011, 11:56 PM
|- - MJBurrage   QUOTE (Mantis @ Jun 5 2011, 07:56 PM) The...   Jun 6 2011, 03:01 AM
|- - Black2754   QUOTE (MJBurrage @ Jun 6 2011, 05:01 AM) ...   Jun 6 2011, 09:20 AM
- - Stahlseele   Well, the next printing of Arsenal 2070 has chance...   Jun 5 2011, 04:54 PM
|- - MJBurrage   Added "Multiple Essence Modifiers" under...   Jun 5 2011, 08:09 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (MJBurrage @ Jun 5 2011, 09:09 PM) ...   Jun 5 2011, 08:42 PM
||- - MJBurrage   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 5 2011, 04:42 PM) I d...   Jun 5 2011, 11:39 PM
||- - Sengir   QUOTE (MJBurrage @ Jun 6 2011, 12:39 AM) ...   Jun 6 2011, 08:58 AM
||- - MJBurrage   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 6 2011, 03:58 AM) Whi...   Jun 6 2011, 07:44 PM
||- - Sengir   QUOTE (MJBurrage @ Jun 6 2011, 08:44 PM) ...   Jun 6 2011, 09:10 PM
||- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 6 2011, 03:10 PM) Nop...   Jun 6 2011, 10:45 PM
||- - Ghost_in_the_System   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 6 2011, 05:45 PM) I...   Jun 6 2011, 10:59 PM
||- - Sengir   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 6 2011, 11:45 PM) Don...   Jun 7 2011, 08:47 AM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 7 2011, 03:47 AM) @Dr...   Jun 7 2011, 04:30 PM
||- - Ghost_in_the_System   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jun 7 2011, 11:30 AM) I...   Jun 7 2011, 05:19 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ghost_in_the_System @ Jun 7 2011, 12...   Jun 7 2011, 05:28 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (MJBurrage @ Jun 5 2011, 10:09 PM) ...   Jun 5 2011, 10:20 PM
- - Tycho   In the German Augmentation are also no more ...   Jun 6 2011, 01:22 PM
- - Ghost_in_the_System   I don't think English books ever had bio/cyber...   Jun 6 2011, 02:25 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ghost_in_the_System @ Jun 6 2011, 07...   Jun 6 2011, 06:29 PM
- - Stahlseele   Well, it may be bad math, but it makes easier numb...   Jun 6 2011, 08:13 PM
- - Udoshi   I knew keeping track of this would be useful one d...   Jun 6 2011, 08:25 PM
|- - MJBurrage   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 6 2011, 04:25 PM) ......   Jun 7 2011, 11:24 PM
- - Draco18s   On that note: Shapeshifters and the time it takes...   Jun 6 2011, 08:33 PM
- - Ghost_in_the_System   Well for the mouse it is obvious, he is being crus...   Jun 6 2011, 08:34 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ghost_in_the_System @ Jun 6 2011, 03...   Jun 6 2011, 08:56 PM
|- - Ghost_in_the_System   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jun 6 2011, 03:56 PM) l...   Jun 6 2011, 09:00 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ghost_in_the_System @ Jun 6 2011, 04...   Jun 6 2011, 10:17 PM
- - Synner667   I'm pretty certain that if I drop an encyclopa...   Jun 6 2011, 10:21 PM
|- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (Synner667 @ Jun 6 2011, 03:21 PM) ...   Jun 6 2011, 11:09 PM
||- - Ghost_in_the_System   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Jun 6 2011, 06:09...   Jun 6 2011, 11:20 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ghost_in_the_System @ Jun 6 2011, 06...   Jun 6 2011, 11:29 PM
|- - darthmord   QUOTE (Synner667 @ Jun 6 2011, 05:21 PM) ...   Jun 8 2011, 01:38 AM
- - Black2754   Trauma Damper has seen a small change in the Germa...   Jun 7 2011, 09:33 AM
- - Yerameyahu   That's a big difference, wow.   Jun 7 2011, 01:39 PM
- - Ghost_in_the_System   Except we're not talking about clothing, we...   Jun 7 2011, 05:38 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ghost_in_the_System @ Jun 7 2011, 12...   Jun 7 2011, 05:55 PM
- - Ghost_in_the_System   Why wouldn't an armored shirt/vest fall strait...   Jun 7 2011, 08:34 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ghost_in_the_System @ Jun 7 2011, 03...   Jun 7 2011, 11:06 PM
- - Ghost_in_the_System   That's true for many small things because 1) t...   Jun 8 2011, 12:12 AM
- - Draco18s   Yip. Mice only need about a quarter of an inch to...   Jun 8 2011, 04:07 AM
- - Sengir   Just got a bit colder in hell, because I finally m...   Jun 8 2011, 07:55 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 8 2011, 09:55 PM) Jus...   Jun 8 2011, 08:11 PM
|- - Mantis   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 8 2011, 12:55 PM) Jus...   Jun 9 2011, 04:55 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Mantis @ Jun 9 2011, 05:55 PM) Cat...   Jun 9 2011, 05:24 PM
|- - Mantis   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 9 2011, 09:24 AM) The...   Jun 10 2011, 02:46 AM
- - Sengir   Character generators with that kind of information...   Jun 8 2011, 08:40 PM
|- - darthmord   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 8 2011, 04:40 PM) Cha...   Jun 9 2011, 06:36 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (darthmord @ Jun 9 2011, 06:36 PM) ...   Jun 10 2011, 08:20 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Technically, as long as you present the descriptiv...   Jun 9 2011, 06:08 PM
- - Tycho   So what I am posting here is a list of suggestions...   Jun 10 2011, 11:09 AM
- - Stahlseele   That's a lot of nuts! o.o Huit says it has...   Jun 10 2011, 11:11 AM
- - Mantis   @ Sengir: Well in Germany it made the cut. I meant...   Jun 10 2011, 10:09 PM
|- - Ghost_in_the_System   QUOTE (Mantis @ Jun 10 2011, 05:09 PM) St...   Jun 10 2011, 10:18 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Mantis @ Jun 11 2011, 12:09 AM) @ ...   Jun 10 2011, 11:32 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Mantis @ Jun 10 2011, 05:09 PM) @T...   Jun 11 2011, 06:02 PM
- - Tycho   @Mantis: Still, all the additional Equipment in th...   Jun 10 2011, 11:32 PM
- - Stahlseele   Well, the Mine depends on wether or not the chunky...   Jun 10 2011, 11:34 PM
- - Tycho   a tank is not a barrier and these rules are for br...   Jun 10 2011, 11:37 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Tycho @ Jun 10 2011, 06:37 PM) a t...   Jun 10 2011, 11:39 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Only if the tank is already 'dead'. Until ...   Jun 11 2011, 03:18 AM
- - Mantis   @Tycho: Should the Ruger Super Warhawk really be H...   Jun 11 2011, 07:20 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Mantis @ Jun 11 2011, 07:20 AM) @S...   Jun 11 2011, 05:52 PM
|- - Mantis   QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 11 2011, 09:52 AM) Th...   Jun 14 2011, 05:23 AM
- - suoq   I'm afraid that if they ever do issue errata, ...   Jun 11 2011, 07:01 PM
- - Sengir   Another update, this time I managed to actually up...   Jun 25 2011, 01:00 PM
- - Stahlseele   Yay for more stuff! ^^   Jun 26 2011, 11:53 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Also, in the German version of Augmentation, any N...   Jun 19 2020, 11:51 AM


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