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SaintHax
post Jul 10 2011, 06:21 AM
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Since we are playing version 4.5 of the rules, why don't we put something in the FAQ to fix the problem of spirit's abilities and scaling. Obviously a F6 spirit getting 12 dice to use an ability defended by only one stat and no skill (e.g. Fear) is unbalanced. It would seem to me that a spirits skills being F/2 would be a good enough patch.

Now, you maybe saying that SRM is not here to add rules. That we are still playing core (not optional) SR 4. Except...

  1. No used gear
  2. Some banned qualities
  3. Build point flexibility for some secondary characters
  4. Fence value based on misunderstood math-- you don't "fence" legal items, those are sold.
  5. Contact not needed for fencing
  6. Social roll not used for fencing-- so much easier
  7. Forced 4:1 buy rule for extended tests
  8. Diminishing returns (GM discretion item per RAW) always in effect
  9. Skill training circumvented
  10. Learning spells test circumvented
  11. New rule created for your contacts getting gear
  12. Healing rules circumvented between adventures-- and as someone who took a Deadly wound twice in SMR00, this is a big change.
  13. Created rule for hiring a weaponsmith
  14. Oredeals for initiates are restricted
  15. No mind affecting spells
  16. No possession traditions
  17. No item creation


While I agree some are necessary (and some are crazy), we clearly have no problem with altering and even adding rules. The banning of core rules, is pretty much us saying that Catalyst screwed up here. While I agree-- which is why the post about spirits both has merits and is satirical for the purpose of saying "woe, slow down"-- I find it odd that a Catalyst backed group is able to make these implications.

FYI, mages are unbalanced-- possession mages cause problems when the GM doesn't understand them. Like during a SRM Scramble and allowing a F6 spirit to mount someone and go unnoticed.

Another note: if SRM can fix the SR4 issues I'll still play, but currently I'm planning on taking a hiatus from it until SR5 comes out. While this FAQ change did nerf my voodoo shaman with astral haze idea, the rules themselves are the most streamlined of all SR's, but the most broke. Melee sucks hard, social skills don't scale, and spirits are so broke it's unreal.
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- SaintHax   FAQ Update   Jul 10 2011, 06:21 AM
- - LurkerOutThere   First off: Possession traditions are now banned so...   Jul 10 2011, 06:49 AM
|- - SaintHax   QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Jul 10 2011, 02:4...   Jul 11 2011, 06:06 PM
- - UmaroVI   There's also a big difference between "X ...   Jul 10 2011, 11:39 AM
- - Bull   Indeed. Missions' job is to support Shadowrun...   Jul 10 2011, 05:19 PM
- - Yerameyahu   *shrug* Banning things isn't the same as addin...   Jul 11 2011, 06:21 PM
|- - SaintHax   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 11 2011, 02:21 PM...   Jul 12 2011, 03:17 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I think it's pretty germane. You implied that ...   Jul 12 2011, 03:31 AM
|- - SaintHax   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 11 2011, 11:31 PM...   Jul 12 2011, 04:37 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I understand, but I simply think 'make small a...   Jul 12 2011, 04:45 AM
- - LurkerOutThere   How's this then: No. The universe is not requ...   Jul 12 2011, 04:50 AM
- - KarmaInferno   The idea is to make the minimum changes needed to ...   Jul 12 2011, 05:29 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Jul 12 2011, 12:29 ...   Jul 12 2011, 09:20 AM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Critias @ Jul 12 2011, 11:20 AM) T...   Jul 14 2011, 06:29 PM
|- - Hida Tsuzua   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jul 14 2011, 06:29 PM...   Jul 14 2011, 06:51 PM
- - SaintHax   QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Jul 12 2011, 12:5...   Jul 13 2011, 12:37 AM
|- - Bull   QUOTE (SaintHax @ Jul 12 2011, 07:37 PM) ...   Jul 13 2011, 02:03 AM
- - Stahlseele   The answer will probably be no, because, no!   Jul 14 2011, 07:42 PM
- - Tycho   Why don't you just fix the rules if you realiz...   Jul 19 2011, 08:44 PM
|- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Tycho @ Jul 19 2011, 03:44 PM) Why...   Jul 19 2011, 10:25 PM
- - Yerameyahu   … Cuz he's not the publisher?   Jul 19 2011, 09:50 PM
- - Wasabi   While we're wishing.... I wish the publisher w...   Jul 19 2011, 10:18 PM
- - Tycho   Sure, I organized SR events at convention in Germa...   Jul 19 2011, 11:28 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Again, you are confusing what Bull can do with wha...   Jul 19 2011, 11:51 PM
- - Tycho   But you work for CGL and therefor it should be ver...   Jul 22 2011, 09:22 AM
|- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Tycho @ Jul 22 2011, 04:22 AM) But...   Jul 22 2011, 04:22 PM
||- - MYST1C   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Jul 22 2011, 06:22 ...   Jul 23 2011, 09:18 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Tycho @ Jul 22 2011, 04:22 AM) But...   Jul 23 2011, 09:31 AM
|- - Neurosis   QUOTE (Critias @ Jul 23 2011, 04:31 AM) A...   Jul 23 2011, 06:40 PM
|- - SaintHax   QUOTE (Neurosis @ Jul 23 2011, 02:40 PM) ...   Jul 24 2011, 03:02 AM
|- - Neurosis   QUOTE (SaintHax @ Jul 23 2011, 11:02 PM) ...   Jul 24 2011, 06:57 PM
- - squee_nabob   I also want Bull to have phenomenal cosmic powers,...   Jul 22 2011, 03:30 PM
- - hobgoblin   Erratas happened until the change of line leadersh...   Jul 22 2011, 07:19 PM
|- - Mesh   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Jul 22 2011, 03:19 PM)...   Jul 23 2011, 01:45 AM
- - Bull   Short answer: It's not that they're overp...   Jul 23 2011, 06:52 PM
- - Neurosis   Pfft, a 'a year and a half' is years. At ...   Jul 23 2011, 07:00 PM
|- - LurkerOutThere   QUOTE (Neurosis @ Jul 23 2011, 01:00 PM) ...   Jul 24 2011, 05:40 PM
- - Neurosis   What I actually meant is that if you fail to charm...   Jul 24 2011, 06:55 PM
- - UmaroVI   That sounds partially like a case of someone not k...   Jul 24 2011, 06:55 PM
|- - Neurosis   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jul 24 2011, 02:55 PM) T...   Jul 24 2011, 06:57 PM
|- - LurkerOutThere   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jul 24 2011, 01:55 PM) T...   Jul 24 2011, 09:07 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Can you write counters to Mind Control into a miss...   Jul 24 2011, 07:41 PM
|- - Neurosis   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Jul 24 2011, 03:41 ...   Jul 24 2011, 09:25 PM
- - LurkerOutThere   I gave you examples above of issues seen at con ga...   Jul 24 2011, 09:39 PM
|- - Neurosis   QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Jul 24 2011, 04:3...   Jul 25 2011, 07:19 PM
- - UmaroVI   That's fair enough, I guess. It is totally tru...   Jul 24 2011, 10:01 PM
- - Bull   As a note, it doesn't look like we'll get ...   Jul 24 2011, 11:04 PM
- - Wasabi   I'm not going to flog a dead horse on the othe...   Jul 24 2011, 11:26 PM
- - Tycho   @Errata: It works mostly this way: Pegasus compile...   Jul 25 2011, 12:04 PM
- - pbangarth   Whatever problems with magic that can be presented...   Jul 25 2011, 03:40 PM
- - Hida Tsuzua   I've always seem more issues with mind probe. ...   Jul 25 2011, 04:50 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Since you explained your past experience with Miss...   Jul 26 2011, 07:17 AM
|- - LurkerOutThere   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Jul 26 2011, 02:17 ...   Jul 26 2011, 05:24 PM
- - Wraith235   buddy of mine brought up a question based on MC Sp...   Jul 26 2011, 08:59 AM
- - Aaron   Is there going to be a FAQ that includes informati...   Jul 26 2011, 08:04 PM
- - SaintHax   QUOTE (Neurosis @ Jul 24 2011, 01:57 PM) ...   Jul 27 2011, 04:51 AM


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