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The_Dood
post Mar 29 2004, 11:06 PM
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The troll race, with a racial body increase of +5 eclipses a human's natural body. With players choosing the troll for their combat types because of it's naturally how body, how do you balance the troll so that the other players aren't dying in combat when the troll is staging deadly wounds to light?
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- The_Dood   Trolls, how do you balance their abilities out?   Mar 29 2004, 11:06 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   mana bolt.   Mar 29 2004, 11:08 PM
- - Adarael   Dikoted weapons. Spells. Extra Explosive rounds sp...   Mar 29 2004, 11:12 PM
- - Siege   Trolls are nasty pieces of work on the battlefield...   Mar 29 2004, 11:15 PM
- - mfb   yeah. i mean, that's sorta like complaining th...   Mar 29 2004, 11:23 PM
- - blakkie   I've found in the past that player overconfide...   Mar 29 2004, 11:28 PM
- - The_Dood   Employing the necessary force to wound a troll cau...   Mar 29 2004, 11:29 PM
- - mfb   -put trolls in the opposition; if the meatshield i...   Mar 29 2004, 11:40 PM
- - WolfJack   Weeelll..... The smartass in me wants to say.... ...   Mar 29 2004, 11:44 PM
- - blakkie   What kind of Combat Pool do Trolls have, in your e...   Mar 29 2004, 11:46 PM
- - Shadow   Balance? The trolls already balanced if you play h...   Mar 29 2004, 11:53 PM
- - ShadowGhost   EX ammo ....100¥ Smartlink-2.... -2 to TNs BF c...   Mar 29 2004, 11:58 PM
- - gknoy   QUOTE (ShadowGhost) Hand-to-hand combat? Outnumbe...   Mar 30 2004, 01:14 AM
- - TheScamp   As Shadow said, the real balancer for trolls isn...   Mar 30 2004, 01:19 AM
- - OurTeam   This is a great question. It isn't just for Tr...   Mar 30 2004, 02:15 AM
- - Nikoli   Heh, I faced this problem the last time I ran a ga...   Mar 30 2004, 02:24 AM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE Stagged the damage to well above deadly (we ...   Mar 30 2004, 02:56 AM
- - Shadow   I am resisting the urge to get pissed (angry, not ...   Mar 30 2004, 02:57 AM
- - Glyph   Yeah, there's a fine line between finding ways...   Mar 30 2004, 03:15 AM
- - Zazen   I balance trolls by forcing them to take Priority ...   Mar 30 2004, 05:17 AM
- - Diesel   Ooh, not as bad as me. I subtract shit from their...   Mar 30 2004, 05:58 AM
- - CardboardArmor   Every troll or, in some cases, orks need to have a...   Mar 30 2004, 06:05 AM
- - Abrojus   QUOTE (Zazen)I balance trolls by forcing them to t...   Mar 30 2004, 06:43 AM
- - El_Machinae   I find the priority system tougher on Trolls than ...   Mar 30 2004, 06:56 AM
- - theartthief   nit: I assume that you are talking about SR2 with ...   Mar 30 2004, 07:15 AM
- - mfb   he was being sarcastic, saying that the current li...   Mar 30 2004, 07:26 AM
- - OurTeam   theartthief, yeah, he knows it's Priority C, a...   Mar 30 2004, 07:43 AM
- - OurTeam   I think a lot of us have gotten off the track. I t...   Mar 30 2004, 07:47 AM
- - Sphynx   Ok, I'll try posting with no flames, so if I s...   Mar 30 2004, 08:07 AM
- - mfb   right. the best overall option is to just make the...   Mar 30 2004, 08:09 AM
- - Johnny the Bull   Also remember armor degradation rules level the pl...   Mar 30 2004, 08:32 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Johnny the Bull) Also remember armor degrad...   Mar 30 2004, 09:36 AM
- - Apathy   Just my opinion, but when I GM I want every PC in ...   Mar 30 2004, 02:48 PM
- - Frag-o Delux   Why balance a fight for anyone? Send as much stuf...   Mar 30 2004, 03:20 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Apathy) With this in mind:If he's seen...   Mar 30 2004, 03:25 PM
- - Darkest Angel   I can't believe no one suggested suppressing f...   Mar 30 2004, 03:26 PM
- - The White Dwarf   Hmm the troll. Lets see, I pay build points or pr...   Mar 30 2004, 03:37 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE Only and only if the troll takes a Moderate ...   Mar 30 2004, 04:52 PM
- - Johnny the Bull   QUOTE (toturi) Only and only if the troll takes a ...   Mar 30 2004, 10:50 PM
- - Cain   IMG, the smarter NPCs will try and geek the mage f...   Mar 31 2004, 04:27 AM
- - toturi   Regarding supressive fire, usually the troll doesn...   Mar 31 2004, 11:24 AM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE Only if he takes the Moderate damage can you...   Mar 31 2004, 04:55 PM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE Um, I said if a person was hit for moderate ...   Mar 31 2004, 08:16 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   Nah, for a soak test it indicates moving your body...   Mar 31 2004, 08:17 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE Nah, for a soak test it indicates moving you...   Mar 31 2004, 09:10 PM
- - Bearclaw   I'm a bastard GM. We've got one huge tro...   Mar 31 2004, 09:20 PM
- - John Campbell   The fun thing about Shadowrun is that the twelve-f...   Mar 31 2004, 09:25 PM
- - Zeel De Mort   p96 CC quite clearly explains that it's only i...   Mar 31 2004, 10:01 PM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE Nah, for a soak test it indicates moving you...   Mar 31 2004, 10:57 PM
- - gknoy   QUOTE (John Campbell) The fun thing about Shadowru...   Mar 31 2004, 11:01 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE Really, I was mainly commenting on the ...   Mar 31 2004, 11:04 PM
- - Zeel De Mort   TheScamp: Mistake on my part. I know the rules s...   Apr 1 2004, 08:29 PM
- - Dax   I still want to play the Troll that's the Rhod...   Apr 2 2004, 05:34 AM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE It doesn't mean that it hasn't eithe...   Apr 2 2004, 10:30 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (BitBasher) [/QUOTE] Um, I said if a person ...   Apr 2 2004, 10:53 AM
- - Lone_Runner   Seeing as combat isn't the only factor in Shad...   Apr 2 2004, 02:10 PM
- - Apathy   I might be missing the point, but it seems like th...   Apr 2 2004, 04:06 PM
- - Sphynx   That's why "Troll" rhymes with ...   Apr 2 2004, 04:12 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   Yes, but if these "disturbances" keep ha...   Apr 2 2004, 04:50 PM
- - Sphynx   Nah, he'd probably die before then, those kind...   Apr 2 2004, 04:56 PM
- - Glyph   A GM's ability to please both the combat-orien...   Apr 3 2004, 07:27 AM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE Ahhh but the damage is staged only at Step 7...   Apr 3 2004, 07:43 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (BitBasher @ Apr 3 2004, 03:43 PM) Yeah...   Apr 3 2004, 08:32 AM
- - BitBasher   Heh, well we house rule it then, if the attack is ...   Apr 3 2004, 07:24 PM
- - Solidcobra   now, as someone said earlier..... interesting fac...   Apr 3 2004, 10:08 PM
- - Slapstick   I found a pretty good way to balance out trolls, a...   Apr 3 2004, 11:03 PM
- - broho_pcp   Shadowrunners vs all others (note 1: these are cha...   Apr 4 2004, 07:23 AM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE interesting sidenote: i don't think spel...   Apr 4 2004, 08:06 AM
- - Solidcobra   QUOTE (TheScamp) QUOTE interesting fact: when play...   Apr 5 2004, 05:47 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   I don't think like that. I've got lots of ...   Apr 5 2004, 05:59 PM
- - GunnerJ   OTOH, when the sammy in question is using a quirk ...   Apr 5 2004, 06:02 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   That might be a balance prob in a canon game, but ...   Apr 5 2004, 06:15 PM
- - BitBasher   In my games sammies dont have to follow that templ...   Apr 5 2004, 09:07 PM
- - Cain   I don't do that sort of thing. I do think in...   Apr 6 2004, 12:59 AM
- - Apathy   QUOTE A PC decker should be able to beat all secur...   Apr 6 2004, 04:08 AM
- - The White Dwarf   Any sam that followed that template in our games w...   Apr 6 2004, 04:34 AM
- - gknoy   However, most GMs rule that programs (and decks) c...   Apr 6 2004, 05:52 AM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE the reason is, as i said: GMs hate samurai n...   Apr 6 2004, 11:12 AM
- - mfb   i don't GM like that. neither does anyone i pl...   Apr 6 2004, 11:28 AM


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