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This came up at the table today - hey, guys! - and I figured we may as well get the community consensus on it.

Under what circumstances does autofire apply to the modified Damage Value mentioned on p149, SR4a [or p140, SR4], when determining whether damage will be Physical or Stun? Obviously, autofire does not apply to the modified Damage Value in the case of short narrow bursts ["Note that
this DV modifier does not apply when comparing the DV to the armor rating." (p153, SR4a or p143, SR4)], but are short narrow bursts unique in this way, or does autofire never apply when determining the modified Damage Value?
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- 3278   Autofire and Modified DV   Oct 15 2011, 10:07 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Never. Nor for hardened armor, ItNW, etc.   Oct 15 2011, 10:23 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 15 2011, 10:23 PM...   Oct 16 2011, 12:14 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Sengir @ Oct 16 2011, 03:14 PM) Al...   Oct 16 2011, 12:20 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Mäx @ Oct 16 2011, 01:20 PM) Excep...   Oct 16 2011, 01:52 PM
|- - Shortstraw   QUOTE (Sengir @ Oct 16 2011, 11:52 PM) Th...   Oct 16 2011, 10:34 PM
- - Shortstraw   He be correct.   Oct 15 2011, 10:43 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   What more need be said?   Oct 15 2011, 11:15 PM
- - 3278   Well, how about this: chapter and verse? Where an...   Oct 15 2011, 11:19 PM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (3278 @ Oct 16 2011, 01:19 AM) Well...   Oct 16 2011, 07:23 AM
- - Bearclaw   Forgive the threadjack, but, on a related note: W...   Oct 15 2011, 11:28 PM
- - Loch   The latter. Add your net hits to the 6S(e) damage ...   Oct 16 2011, 12:30 AM
- - Paul   Well at least there's no confusing answers in ...   Oct 16 2011, 12:55 PM
- - 3278   Ah, okay. "The Precious" is, indeed, SR4...   Oct 16 2011, 01:39 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (3278 @ Oct 16 2011, 04:39 PM) and ...   Oct 16 2011, 03:47 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Nope, doesn't make sense, Sengir. Even if you...   Oct 16 2011, 02:11 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 16 2011, 03:11 PM...   Oct 16 2011, 02:59 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I… just pointed out the flaw. In that same post. ...   Oct 16 2011, 03:22 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 16 2011, 03:22 PM...   Oct 16 2011, 03:32 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Not a RL example, a SR4 example, but whatever. N...   Oct 16 2011, 03:38 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 16 2011, 03:38 PM...   Oct 16 2011, 04:13 PM
|- - Kirk   QUOTE (Sengir @ Oct 16 2011, 12:13 PM) I...   Oct 16 2011, 04:23 PM
- - Yerameyahu   These things happen. The classic 'called shot ...   Oct 16 2011, 03:50 PM
- - AppliedCheese   Its the "can't kill a tank with a machine...   Oct 16 2011, 04:10 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's not what I said, in either case. First...   Oct 16 2011, 04:22 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 16 2011, 04:22 PM...   Oct 16 2011, 04:30 PM
|- - Kirk   QUOTE (Sengir @ Oct 16 2011, 12:30 PM) Mo...   Oct 16 2011, 04:33 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Kirk @ Oct 16 2011, 04:33 PM) BS a...   Oct 16 2011, 04:39 PM
|- - Kirk   QUOTE (Sengir @ Oct 16 2011, 12:39 PM) Th...   Oct 16 2011, 05:00 PM
- - Mäx   So you're really saying that they should have ...   Oct 16 2011, 04:45 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Mäx @ Oct 16 2011, 04:45 PM) So yo...   Oct 16 2011, 04:50 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Sengir @ Oct 16 2011, 07:50 PM) PS...   Oct 16 2011, 04:56 PM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (Sengir @ Oct 16 2011, 06:50 PM) Or...   Oct 16 2011, 05:03 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Wait… you're assuming the table is not j...   Oct 16 2011, 04:45 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Cool. So we've concluded that you're *not...   Oct 16 2011, 04:52 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 16 2011, 05:52 PM...   Oct 16 2011, 05:04 PM
- - Yerameyahu   He's proposing that they meant to write 'A...   Oct 16 2011, 04:59 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Your implication was that I believed that (utterly...   Oct 16 2011, 05:08 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 16 2011, 06:08 PM...   Oct 16 2011, 08:18 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Except it's a straw man when someone else does...   Oct 16 2011, 09:32 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It's the idea that a 'summary' is ...   Oct 16 2011, 10:51 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 16 2011, 10:51 PM...   Oct 17 2011, 05:42 PM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (Sengir @ Oct 17 2011, 07:42 PM) Th...   Oct 17 2011, 07:06 PM
|- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (Ryu @ Oct 17 2011, 12:06 PM) By al...   Oct 17 2011, 09:39 PM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Oct 17 2011, 11:39...   Oct 18 2011, 06:39 AM
- - Shortstraw   Aha, read page 149 the compare armor section. Add...   Oct 16 2011, 11:06 PM
- - Mäx   For added clarity of how the rules work according ...   Oct 16 2011, 11:14 PM
- - Yerameyahu   But, at least it's a different problem. That...   Oct 16 2011, 11:22 PM
- - Shortstraw   You will note on that the extra damage is applied ...   Oct 16 2011, 11:39 PM
- - Yerameyahu   There's a gulf between 'imprecise' and...   Oct 17 2011, 06:19 PM
- - Lanlaorn   The "benefit" is that a guy with a machi...   Oct 17 2011, 08:56 PM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Lanlaorn @ Oct 17 2011, 09:56 PM) ...   Oct 18 2011, 12:24 AM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (3278 @ Oct 17 2011, 07:24 PM) Unle...   Oct 18 2011, 11:22 AM
- - Warlordtheft   What is so hard to understand that on pg 160 of SR...   Oct 18 2011, 01:34 AM
- - Yerameyahu   His position is that's only talking about shor...   Oct 18 2011, 01:40 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Ha! Personally, I wouldn't want to make sp...   Oct 18 2011, 12:38 PM
- - Paul   Hey if my players want to make my job easier....   Oct 18 2011, 12:45 PM
- - Badmoodguy88   Including auto fire for beating armor would be a g...   Oct 18 2011, 02:22 PM
|- - Shortstraw   QUOTE (Badmoodguy88 @ Oct 19 2011, 12:22 ...   Oct 19 2011, 08:14 AM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Shortstraw @ Oct 19 2011, 10:14 AM...   Oct 19 2011, 11:51 AM
- - Shortstraw   Lasers aren't my bailiwick so I'll go alon...   Oct 19 2011, 12:50 PM
|- - Kirk   QUOTE (Shortstraw @ Oct 19 2011, 08:50 AM...   Oct 19 2011, 12:54 PM
|- - Stalag   QUOTE (Shortstraw @ Oct 19 2011, 07:50 AM...   Oct 19 2011, 09:21 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Stalag @ Oct 19 2011, 04:21 PM) Re...   Oct 19 2011, 09:25 PM
- - Lanlaorn   You don't need "dual natured light",...   Oct 19 2011, 01:22 PM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Lanlaorn @ Oct 19 2011, 03:22 PM) ...   Oct 19 2011, 01:48 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Oct 19 2011, 06...   Oct 19 2011, 02:54 PM
- - Shortstraw   Ah but now you can shoot stuff on the astral.   Oct 19 2011, 01:34 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Shortstraw @ Oct 19 2011, 10:34 AM...   Oct 19 2011, 01:56 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Shortstraw, lasers don't usually start with fi...   Oct 19 2011, 01:54 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Also, y'know, rules of physics, not working on...   Oct 19 2011, 02:01 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Oct 19 2011, 09:01 ...   Oct 19 2011, 03:05 PM
- - Lanlaorn   Elemental damage bypasses ItNW, while it's obv...   Oct 19 2011, 03:19 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Lanlaorn @ Oct 19 2011, 06:19 PM) ...   Oct 19 2011, 08:27 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Mäx @ Oct 19 2011, 02:27 PM) Umm, ...   Oct 19 2011, 08:47 PM
- - Yerameyahu   This is a pretty old and recurrent question, so it...   Oct 19 2011, 03:47 PM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 19 2011, 05:47 PM...   Oct 19 2011, 05:47 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Oct 19 2011, 11...   Oct 19 2011, 05:51 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's the point, Brainpiercing: not everyone ...   Oct 19 2011, 06:50 PM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 19 2011, 08:50 PM...   Oct 19 2011, 11:10 PM
- - Shortstraw   No, not gullible, if you are willing to shell out ...   Oct 19 2011, 11:11 PM
|- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Shortstraw @ Oct 19 2011, 06:11 PM...   Oct 20 2011, 12:25 AM
- - Yerameyahu   If you can produce a laser from a light bulb, you ...   Oct 19 2011, 11:41 PM
- - Shortstraw   Any HRT worth the name has a mage and are they goi...   Oct 20 2011, 05:34 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Maybe not 'any', but certainly some, from ...   Oct 20 2011, 12:56 PM
- - Stalag   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 20 2011, 07:56 AM...   Oct 20 2011, 04:56 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Stalag @ Oct 20 2011, 09:56 AM) Wh...   Oct 20 2011, 09:18 PM


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