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Paul
post Nov 20 2011, 09:25 PM
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So one of the entrenched institutions of the Shadowrun is the concept that Extraterritoriality automatically seems to equate to an unwillingness to share information, and an inability to cooperate beyond a basic level between agencies, governments and corporations. This has always bothered me, for a variety of reasons.

Now for some background: I work in a Law Enforcement agency, and I have liaised with a number of local, state and federal agencies as a part of the gang task force I work on. I also have several friends who work for local, state and federal agencies. So this likely colors at least some of how I see things. I just wanted my bias to be upfront-even though I am going to try and take an impartial look at this issue.

So I can see, reasonably, with the fracturing of nation States -and the resulting diminished presence they now have-that Mega Corporations can field nearly similar levels of resources, and given that some of these companies have a good sixty or so years of institutional cultures I can see tensions existing en the various agencies, especially in sensitive matters. Especially where proprietary data, properties and competitive interest's were involved. So there are definitely frayed edges that can be exploited-whether through a combination of proper planning or good luck and timing.

However the way I often read conversations on this board, and the feel I get from the books is that this is so common place that as I see it society would fail to function in any semblance of order. And some of you say, A ha Paul that's the point! Shadowrun is dystopic! It doesn't function like the world we know! And to a point I agree-however it seems to me that unless there's a significant reason not to cooperate there's nothing to be gained from not cooperating. Sort of an oligarchic collective-"It's better that we rule, then them."

So what I'm hoping to do here-with out examining our own present day beliefs and prejudices; politics or personal preferences-is explore just how we collectively see extraterritoriality functioning. What are the ins? The outs? What areas make sense for there to be cooperative efforts? What areas would be anyone's game?
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- Paul   Extraterritoriality='s Not Sharing Information?   Nov 20 2011, 09:25 PM
- - CanRay   I view the sharing of information as something tha...   Nov 20 2011, 10:16 PM
- - hobgoblin   Another thing to consider is that runners are hire...   Nov 20 2011, 10:42 PM
- - Ascalaphus   Well, this develops from two directions towards th...   Nov 21 2011, 12:35 AM
- - Glyph   That's how I read it, myself. Without data ba...   Nov 21 2011, 01:35 AM
- - Wakshaani   Also note that revealing information about your be...   Nov 21 2011, 02:48 AM
- - MortVent   A lot of it would be covering their own butts. Yo...   Nov 21 2011, 02:55 AM
- - hobgoblin   It may help to consider the whole thing a cold war...   Nov 21 2011, 02:59 AM
- - Tanegar   QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 20 2011, 04:25 PM) Now ...   Nov 21 2011, 04:13 AM
- - Jet   In the Sixth World I can see cooperation over a bi...   Nov 21 2011, 04:18 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Jet @ Nov 20 2011, 09:18 PM) But a...   Nov 21 2011, 04:28 AM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 20 2011, 08:28 PM) No, i...   Nov 21 2011, 07:15 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Glyph @ Nov 21 2011, 03:15 AM) I c...   Nov 21 2011, 07:38 AM
|- - Mercer   QUOTE (Glyph @ Nov 21 2011, 08:15 AM) Sha...   Nov 21 2011, 07:52 AM
- - hobgoblin   chain of command may be a issue...   Nov 21 2011, 04:32 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Nov 20 2011, 09:32 PM)...   Nov 21 2011, 05:24 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 21 2011, 01:24 AM) Why s...   Nov 21 2011, 06:40 AM
- - Saint Hallow   How often do agencies cross check & share info...   Nov 21 2011, 05:40 AM
- - Ascalaphus   If Corp A admits knowledge of some shadowrunners S...   Nov 21 2011, 10:16 AM
- - nezumi   Don't forget the culture this is set in. Imag...   Nov 21 2011, 02:20 PM
- - CanRay   You'd wonder why the old ShadowTalker "SP...   Nov 21 2011, 04:23 PM
|- - ggodo   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 21 2011, 08:23 AM) Yo...   Nov 21 2011, 09:23 PM
|- - stevebugge   QUOTE (ggodo @ Nov 21 2011, 01:23 PM) I d...   Nov 21 2011, 09:39 PM
|- - ggodo   QUOTE (stevebugge @ Nov 21 2011, 01:39 PM...   Nov 22 2011, 03:12 AM
- - Warlordtheft   Yeah, in the 4th ed Seattle Source book I'm su...   Nov 21 2011, 07:57 PM
- - Patrick Goodman   I haven't read this entire thread, but I do re...   Nov 21 2011, 08:27 PM
- - stevebugge   What it really gives the Corps is a lot of flexibi...   Nov 21 2011, 08:31 PM
- - CanRay   "The Blue Line" as I put it. Sorry, eve...   Nov 21 2011, 08:43 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   And some shared projects might be done by two or m...   Nov 21 2011, 09:18 PM
|- - stevebugge   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 21 2011, 01...   Nov 21 2011, 09:22 PM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (stevebugge @ Nov 21 2011, 06:22 PM...   Nov 21 2011, 09:38 PM
- - Paul   Mine is sitting on the shelf behind me. That said...   Nov 22 2011, 02:24 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 21 2011, 10:24 PM) Mine...   Nov 22 2011, 02:49 AM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 21 2011, 09:24 PM) Mine...   Nov 22 2011, 03:24 AM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Nov 21 2011, 10:24 ...   Nov 22 2011, 03:29 AM
- - Jet   I dug out my old Corporate Shadowfiles book becaus...   Nov 22 2011, 03:25 AM
- - ggodo   The worst part is that I can't search for SPD ...   Nov 22 2011, 04:03 AM
- - Fabe   I'm Pretty sure one of the books has a brief ...   Nov 22 2011, 04:44 AM
- - squee_nabob   QUOTE (Vice Page 187)Exceptional cases aside (like...   Nov 22 2011, 02:17 PM
- - Adarael   The way I've always looked at extraterritorial...   Nov 22 2011, 05:29 PM
- - Paul   This thread has been an interesting read. Thanks e...   Nov 22 2011, 05:30 PM
- - Darquewing   I firmly believe that corporations, security/polic...   Nov 22 2011, 07:41 PM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Darquewing @ Nov 22 2011, 02:41 PM...   Nov 22 2011, 09:46 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Darquewing @ Nov 22 2011, 12:41 PM...   Nov 23 2011, 07:39 AM
- - hobgoblin   Keeping some thermite or a dose or two of demolish...   Nov 22 2011, 08:16 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Nov 22 2011, 04:16 PM)...   Nov 22 2011, 08:41 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   In doubt, always go te method 'P for Plenty...   Nov 22 2011, 09:43 PM
- - Daylen   What better way to mess with the competition by sh...   Nov 22 2011, 10:02 PM
- - hobgoblin   I think both CIA and KGB seeded known bogus data, ...   Nov 23 2011, 12:16 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Nov 22 2011, 08:16 PM)...   Nov 23 2011, 01:29 AM
- - Midas   In logical terms, the answer to the question is: h...   Nov 23 2011, 07:38 AM
- - Daylen   Change barrels alot? why not just use EXex so ther...   Nov 23 2011, 03:22 PM
|- - Midas   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 23 2011, 03:22 PM) Ch...   Nov 24 2011, 06:18 AM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Midas @ Nov 24 2011, 07:18 AM) Pro...   Nov 24 2011, 03:12 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (Midas @ Nov 24 2011, 01:18 AM) Pro...   Nov 24 2011, 11:04 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 24 2011, 07:04 PM) Isn...   Nov 24 2011, 11:38 PM
- - hobgoblin   Hehe, playing Saint Row the Third gave me a new me...   Nov 23 2011, 07:51 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Nov 23 2011, 03:51 PM)...   Nov 23 2011, 10:08 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 23 2011, 10:08 PM) An...   Nov 23 2011, 11:01 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 23 2011, 07:01 PM) bo...   Nov 23 2011, 11:03 PM
- - Irion   QUOTE Change barrels alot? why not just use EXex s...   Nov 24 2011, 12:33 AM
- - Irion   @Midas ExEx you do not get in every wallmart. 12F ...   Nov 24 2011, 08:31 AM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Irion @ Nov 24 2011, 09:31 AM) @Mi...   Nov 24 2011, 03:15 PM
- - Paul   I was discussing TV as inspiration for game, not r...   Nov 24 2011, 11:45 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 25 2011, 12:45 AM) I w...   Nov 25 2011, 12:18 AM
- - CanRay   Oh, for inspiration it's great stuff! I a...   Nov 24 2011, 11:46 PM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 25 2011, 12:46 AM) Oh...   Nov 25 2011, 12:22 AM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 24 2011, 09:22 PM) On...   Nov 25 2011, 12:33 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 24 2011, 08:22 PM) On...   Nov 25 2011, 12:37 AM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 25 2011, 12:37 AM) Ea...   Nov 25 2011, 02:07 AM
- - CanRay   Wrong holiday, but it's in the feeling. And a...   Nov 25 2011, 12:23 AM
- - CanRay   So does mine. So I have to watch it. It was bett...   Nov 25 2011, 03:14 AM
|- - Daylen   QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 25 2011, 03:14 AM) So...   Nov 25 2011, 04:05 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Daylen @ Nov 25 2011, 12:05 AM) I ...   Nov 25 2011, 04:07 AM
- - Umbralfox   In my game, there've always been a few differe...   Nov 25 2011, 09:34 PM


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