Feb 10 2012, 04:29 PM
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So I keep thinking about this: how important is essence as a game balance tool? (Because it certainly serves pretty poorly as anything else.)
So now there are two train of thoughts here: 1) Every character, as in, special person, is awakened for free, and does NOT suffer magic loss, either. People who wish to be mundane can cash in on their magical quality (5bp/10karma for adept). 2) magic loss is the only consequence of augmentation Even cursorily glancing through the books brings me to a money stop when starting to install serious cyber/bio. Also, bioware instantly loses some of it's advantage, since you're not splitting the pool anymore, and the high cost holds it back. The only way to make really filthy use of it is using used cyber. Also, a lot of ware needs Restricted gear at a useful rating, so you're not buying endless high rating wares. So basically, how much does the game turn into a clash of demigods? Is this like epic D&D, where the game basically breaks, or does the scale simply shift? I'm thinking the game is actually less likely to break, because DP creep is less bad than bonus creep with a fixed RNG. What will likely happen first is that characters will not only have obscene offensive DPs, but rather obscene defenses, too, due to cyberlimbs/armour/dermal sheath/etc. So will the game overall become more deadly, or less? The other thing is that now fairly well-rounded characters can still have large DPs in some areas. When playing around with DK's sheet a bit I immediately don't find my attempt at a character much more extreme than some of the chars posted on these boards - however, he can sport a 20dice offensive pool while still having around 30+dice for damage resistance (which clearly isn't really that much). I also don't need to min-max much. |
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Brainpiercing7.62mm Transhumanism or superheroes - without essence cost, how hard would the game break? Feb 10 2012, 04:29 PM
Yerameyahu Given that everything was designed with Essence in... Feb 10 2012, 04:41 PM
Hida Tsuzua Do technomancers lose resonance as well? If not, ... Feb 10 2012, 05:28 PM
JanessaVR This is basically what I've been advocating fo... Feb 10 2012, 06:13 PM
Irion @JanessaVR
It would end up with characters having ... Feb 10 2012, 06:50 PM
JanessaVR QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 10 2012, 10:50 AM) @Ja... Feb 10 2012, 08:18 PM
Yerameyahu I agree: mentioning magic in this equation is real... Feb 10 2012, 07:38 PM
Yerameyahu Well, one problem is that this would totally chang... Feb 10 2012, 08:21 PM
JanessaVR QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Feb 10 2012, 12:21 PM... Feb 10 2012, 08:40 PM
3278 I played around with it with my own group some yea... Feb 10 2012, 08:31 PM
Yerameyahu Honestly, it depends on the game you want (not the... Feb 10 2012, 08:33 PM
3278 QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Feb 10 2012, 09:33 PM... Feb 10 2012, 09:04 PM
Yerameyahu Better or worse, it's a significant history an... Feb 10 2012, 08:53 PM
Yerameyahu This change makes it even easier in SR4 to start a... Feb 10 2012, 09:31 PM
3278 QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Feb 10 2012, 10:31 PM... Feb 10 2012, 10:10 PM
Brainpiercing7.62mm Maybe with some real cyber concealability rules bi... Feb 10 2012, 09:41 PM
Yerameyahu … No? There's a set number and ratings of the ... Feb 10 2012, 10:31 PM
3278 QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Feb 10 2012, 10:31 PM... Feb 11 2012, 02:18 AM
Udoshi QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Feb 10 2012, 09... Feb 10 2012, 10:37 PM
Irion @3278
They do not need to, they just take MORE.
It... Feb 11 2012, 02:27 AM
3278 QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 11 2012, 02:27 AM) @32... Feb 11 2012, 02:47 AM
Neraph QUOTE (3278 @ Feb 10 2012, 08:47 PM) We... Feb 11 2012, 07:10 AM
Yerameyahu I'm not saying they'd be at 100%, 3278. I... Feb 11 2012, 02:43 AM
Irion @3278
Starting characters would be limited by Avai... Feb 11 2012, 02:55 AM
3278 QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 11 2012, 02:55 AM) Sta... Feb 11 2012, 03:06 AM
Yerameyahu Too right. Feb 11 2012, 10:47 AM
GreyBrother I have no problem with killing essence. Heck, i pr... Feb 11 2012, 01:14 PM
hobgoblin Between deltaware and cyberware suites, you do not... Feb 11 2012, 02:13 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 11 2012, 07:13 AM)... Feb 12 2012, 06:06 PM
Irion @hobgoblin
Yeah, but those cost a lot of money...
... Feb 11 2012, 02:37 PM
hobgoblin QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 11 2012, 03:37 PM) @ho... Feb 11 2012, 02:51 PM
Irion @hobgoblin
Depends on your game... Yes, if you thr... Feb 11 2012, 03:01 PM
nezumi It would put mundanes and mages on more similar ad... Feb 11 2012, 03:17 PM
Irion The point is, you are tweaking the powerlevel sign... Feb 11 2012, 03:51 PM
GreyBrother QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 11 2012, 04:51 PM) And... Feb 11 2012, 04:04 PM

3278 QUOTE (GreyBrother @ Feb 11 2012, 04:04 P... Feb 12 2012, 12:29 AM
Brainpiercing7.62mm QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 11 2012, 04:51 PM) The... Feb 11 2012, 04:19 PM
Yerameyahu While I don't think anyone considers the Avail... Feb 11 2012, 04:24 PM
Brainpiercing7.62mm QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Feb 11 2012, 05:24 PM... Feb 11 2012, 04:29 PM
GreyBrother QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Feb 11 2012, 05:24 PM... Feb 11 2012, 09:23 PM
Yerameyahu Yes, both of those are basically the same thing as... Feb 11 2012, 05:01 PM
Yerameyahu Oh, I didn't realize you were talking about th... Feb 11 2012, 09:46 PM
3278 QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Feb 11 2012, 09:46 PM... Feb 12 2012, 01:45 AM
GreyBrother Yerameyahu: Fair enough I can respect your opinio... Feb 12 2012, 01:10 AM
JanessaVR QUOTE (GreyBrother @ Feb 11 2012, 05:10 P... Feb 12 2012, 02:28 AM
CanRay I fully admit that I take bribes as a GM. Feb 12 2012, 04:11 AM
Yerameyahu Nothing is true for *all* groups, 3278, but there... Feb 12 2012, 07:18 AM
Irion QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Feb 12 2012, 08:18 AM... Feb 12 2012, 09:40 AM
snowRaven If you remove Essence you have to either remove al... Feb 12 2012, 02:16 PM
3278 QUOTE (snowRaven @ Feb 12 2012, 02:16 PM)... Feb 12 2012, 03:34 PM
Irion Did not think of that. Getting rid of essence make... Feb 12 2012, 02:30 PM
Jekolmy QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 12 2012, 08:30 AM) Did... Feb 12 2012, 03:14 PM
Yerameyahu And there are limb-only implants. It's true th... Feb 12 2012, 03:20 PM
Yerameyahu 'What do you *mean* I can't have 48 implan... Feb 12 2012, 03:36 PM
Irion @Tymeaus Jalynsfein
Which still is just a small pr... Feb 12 2012, 06:22 PM
Yerameyahu All I know is that the truly extreme Essence build... Feb 12 2012, 06:26 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Feb 12 2012, 11:26 AM... Feb 12 2012, 06:43 PM
Irion @Yerameyahu
The question is always: What is worth ... Feb 12 2012, 06:35 PM
Irion @Tymeaus Jalynsfein
Well it depends on what you co... Feb 12 2012, 06:59 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 12 2012, 11:59 AM) @Ty... Feb 12 2012, 07:02 PM
Irion @Tymeaus Jalynsfein
Well, if I am (chargen) not al... Feb 12 2012, 07:33 PM
Yerameyahu It's true that you might buy different things,... Feb 12 2012, 08:12 PM
Irion Just saying that essence is a limitation. Of cours... Feb 12 2012, 08:29 PM
Brainpiercing7.62mm QUOTE (snowRaven @ Feb 12 2012, 03:16 PM)... Feb 12 2012, 08:39 PM
Yerameyahu Well, my cybergun example was about the 'body ... Feb 12 2012, 08:40 PM
Brainpiercing7.62mm QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Feb 12 2012, 09:40 PM... Feb 13 2012, 10:08 AM
nezumi I like the Humanity growth mechanic (with some twe... Feb 13 2012, 02:52 PM
Irion @nezumi
Which would beg the question why ever gett... Feb 13 2012, 03:27 PM
Brainpiercing7.62mm QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 13 2012, 04:27 PM) @ne... Feb 13 2012, 04:31 PM
Yerameyahu I think people are specialized enough as it is. T... Feb 13 2012, 04:57 PM
Irion @Brainpiercing7.62mm
QUOTE Yes, that means doing t... Feb 13 2012, 05:31 PM
Brainpiercing7.62mm Well, way to go, this is actually a really product... Feb 14 2012, 01:57 PM
snowRaven QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Feb 14 2012, 02... Feb 14 2012, 10:31 PM
Yerameyahu Hehe, now it's *really* like D&D levels, r... Feb 13 2012, 05:52 PM
Irion Actually it works exactly like Initiations... Feb 13 2012, 05:57 PM
Yerameyahu So? Like I just said, initiations are the problem. Feb 13 2012, 06:13 PM
Irion True, this would be the other way around. Get rid ... Feb 13 2012, 06:27 PM
Yerameyahu Anyway, that's just me. I wasn't saying r... Feb 13 2012, 06:38 PM
Irion @Yerameyahu
You mean you buy up Essence and the ma... Feb 13 2012, 06:46 PM
Yerameyahu I haven't thought it through at all, but that ... Feb 13 2012, 06:58 PM
Irion @Brainpiercing7.62mm
QUOTE This I don't quite ... Feb 14 2012, 02:43 PM
Brainpiercing7.62mm QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 14 2012, 03:43 PM) @Br... Feb 15 2012, 09:43 AM![]() ![]() |
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