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QUOTE (Bull @ Jan 3 2012, 12:41 PM) *
It's a valid point. One I thought about, even.

Basically, it boils down to a couple things, for me...

1) This is the most salient point for me. This is Shadowrun. In Shadowrun, there is NO way runners would ever get away with most of what they do. They'd certainly never survive more than a short while and a few runs. Between magic, spirit powers such as Search, technomancers and their Resonance "I can find anything that's ever been recorded to the matrix" thing, the omni-present security and camera system, etc, etc, etc. There's no way Shadowrunning is the least bit viable in a world like that.

And yet, we suspend our disbelief enough to allow for it. Because it's more fun that way. The game would suck if you were never able to play more than a couple game sessions before you were inevitably captured. And there's be a LOT fewer runners out there.

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I read this post and had to agree. Then I started trying to think of ways that we suspend our disbelief. I'm hoping others can add more ways, or even more problems of why criminals/shadowrunners would soon get caught.

1. A big reason and one I think people keep getting away from is if it is financially feasible to even try to apprehend the perpetrator. Say the victim decides to find the shadowrunners. Fine, they find them, they apprehend them. Now what? Whatever they did or stole is likely long gone or cannot be undone by the culprits. Chances are the victim knows who hired the runners just by figuring out who benefits from it. It's the basis for why shadowrunners exist in the first place instead of corporate black op teams. They are just a layer of deniability.

2. Yes, in a perfect world, there are cameras everywhere, and ways to track everything. But the world of SR is hardly perfect. Cameras cost money to install and maintain. First they need to be budgeted to even install them, so a cost analysis needs to be made as to whether or not they make sense, then some greed and corruption get thrown in as to whether the approved hardware actually gets installed or if several of the folks involved say it got installed and pocket some nuyen, or if they install inferior hardware or even facsimile hardware that only looks like the hardware (think of all the domes that supposedly have cameras inside.) Then, even if the real deal, real good tech gets installed, will someone shoot it out or steal it? Then there's stuff like acid rain and pests that like to eat stuff, especially awakened pests and nuisances.

In Star Wars, someone pointed out to me that they made the technology seem like it had been around for ages by having it break down and having used droids, etcetera. I look at SR as the same thing only put greed as a big factor as well as a more hostile mother nature.
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- tisoz   How do you explain this?   Feb 21 2012, 02:47 PM
- - Paul   They don't get away with it. In my games your ...   Feb 21 2012, 02:53 PM
- - tisoz   Paul, you're in the prison business? Just thi...   Feb 21 2012, 03:02 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (tisoz @ Feb 21 2012, 10:02 AM) Pau...   Feb 21 2012, 03:16 PM
- - tisoz   Oh I wasn't saying extraterritoriality was a f...   Feb 21 2012, 03:36 PM
- - Blade   There's no need for that much disbelief suspen...   Feb 21 2012, 03:52 PM
|- - Synner667   QUOTE (Blade @ Feb 21 2012, 03:52 PM) Fir...   Feb 22 2012, 07:22 PM
- - Stahlseele   Explanation here: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-im...   Feb 21 2012, 04:07 PM
- - Warlordtheft   I wouldn't underestimate #2. It takes time to ...   Feb 21 2012, 04:12 PM
- - Backgammon   Actually, I think this somewhat ties to a trend fr...   Feb 22 2012, 01:21 AM
|- - Rip the Jackker   QUOTE (Backgammon @ Feb 21 2012, 07:21 PM...   Feb 23 2012, 06:49 PM
- - Angelone   That it's impossible is what I like about cybe...   Feb 22 2012, 01:54 AM
- - SpellBinder   The part regarding cameras made me think of what s...   Feb 22 2012, 02:44 AM
- - Glyph   Two of the things they bring up in the books, whic...   Feb 22 2012, 04:00 AM
- - hobgoblin   There will be a point where some exec looks at the...   Feb 22 2012, 04:23 AM
- - SpellBinder   Don't forget that Shadowrunners aren't alw...   Feb 22 2012, 04:46 AM
- - Mercer   I think there is something to the idea that almost...   Feb 22 2012, 04:54 AM
- - Blade   I think Backgammon made an interesting point. Thou...   Feb 22 2012, 11:16 AM
- - The Jake   I don't work in law enforcement like Paul but ...   Feb 22 2012, 02:02 PM
- - Backgammon   Oh, the camera thing, I forgot to say something ab...   Feb 22 2012, 04:05 PM
- - hobgoblin   Transhumanism Noir. Never overlook the (meta-)huma...   Feb 22 2012, 07:11 PM
- - maine75man   There is another element to think about in the who...   Feb 22 2012, 07:17 PM
- - hobgoblin   Nature, red in tooth and claw.   Feb 22 2012, 07:23 PM
- - Irion   @Backgammon QUOTE By definition, a dystopia cannot...   Feb 22 2012, 08:09 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Irion @ Feb 22 2012, 04:09 PM) Thi...   Feb 22 2012, 08:36 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 22 2012, 09:36 PM) T...   Feb 22 2012, 09:08 PM
|- - bibliophile20   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 22 2012, 04:08 PM...   Feb 22 2012, 11:12 PM
- - Lindt   I have always liked the cyberpunk style. However ...   Feb 22 2012, 09:05 PM
- - Murrdox   My only problems with Suspension of Disbelief with...   Feb 22 2012, 09:38 PM
|- - snowRaven   QUOTE (Murrdox @ Feb 22 2012, 10:38 PM) H...   Feb 22 2012, 10:47 PM
- - Irion   QUOTE ("Murrdox")Hacking, I brush off as...   Feb 22 2012, 11:00 PM
- - nezumi   Backgammon has it absolutely correct. The setting...   Feb 23 2012, 05:12 PM
- - Warlordtheft   To take that analogy of chess further, pawns that ...   Feb 23 2012, 06:36 PM


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