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ShadowDragon8685
post Apr 6 2012, 10:28 PM
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Okay, so, here's a thought. Say that four runners, three Awakened and uncybered, and the fourth quite extensively cybered in the headware department, are suddenly confronted with a Phantasm (not a Trid Phantasm) of a fire-breathing, pissed-off Dragon.

The fourth one has Rating 4 cybereyes with all the trimmings, and an implanted commlink where things she sees can be recorded for posterity.

The description of Mana Illusions state that they ".. affect the mind and are ineffective against technological viewing systems like cameras." Technically speaking, this character's entire method of vision is cameras.

So, does the fire-breathing dragon show up to her, or not? I'm thinking it does, since she's a valid target for the spell, and it makes her believe she's seeing the spell - if she was a valid target but was viewing the scene in, say, a mirror, or from a screen, she would appropriately believe there was a dragon behind her/on the camera.


But, what about her headware memory. Does it record a Dragon, too? It is, after all, magically considered a part of her since she paid for it with Essence. But technically speaking, that Dragon is not there, it's not reflecting any actual light into the photoreceptors of her cyber-eyes.

I think it wouldn't, am I wrong? The dragon isn't actually there, she's just being mindfucked into thinking it is.

So, my question is, assuming I'm right, what happens if, during this encounter, she takes a moment to, via her image link, review the exact scene her eyes are recording from her headware memory, just a split-second ago? She's no longer conceptually "viewing" the phantasm, she's reviewing a photograph, kind of like taking a Polaroid with a nonexistent development time. So, while she' sees' that dragon out there, the picture-in-picture instant replay is showing a fat lot of nothing. At this point, with any sort of magical theory in her at all (and living with three Awakened people, you tend to pick this kind of thing up,) she should recognize that she's fallen victim to a mana illusion.

Is the illusion automatically broken? Or is my conclusion spurious to start with?
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- ShadowDragon8685   How does a phantasm illusion interact with cybereyes/headware memory?   Apr 6 2012, 10:28 PM
- - Bearclaw   I'd say everyone is scared as hell and runs. I...   Apr 6 2012, 10:45 PM
- - JonathanC   I believe this is why Trid Phantasm exists. While ...   Apr 6 2012, 11:01 PM
- - Glyph   Viewing your headware memory might reveal a (non-t...   Apr 7 2012, 01:30 AM
|- - HaxDBeheader   QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 7 2012, 01:30 AM) View...   Apr 7 2012, 06:33 AM
- - Eratosthenes   Illusions are tricky things to adjudicate. IMO: ...   Apr 7 2012, 01:34 AM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Eratosthenes @ Apr 6 2012, 09:34 P...   Apr 9 2012, 09:15 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   I know that Trid Phantasm creates an optical illus...   Apr 7 2012, 02:17 AM
|- - Eratosthenes   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 6 2012, 10...   Apr 7 2012, 03:11 AM
- - Angelone   How about stuff like radar or ultrasound?   Apr 7 2012, 03:41 AM
- - SpellBinder   I'd expect radar or ultrasound to reveal the i...   Apr 7 2012, 04:05 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Agreed: as long as your mind is affected, your min...   Apr 7 2012, 06:59 AM
- - Midas   Interesting, I always thought cyber-eyes would onl...   Apr 9 2012, 05:36 AM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (Midas @ Apr 9 2012, 07:36 AM) Inte...   Apr 9 2012, 08:31 AM
|- - Midas   QUOTE (Thanee @ Apr 9 2012, 08:31 AM) The...   Apr 10 2012, 07:04 AM
- - hobgoblin   Any mana illusion basically bypass the senses, goi...   Apr 9 2012, 08:23 AM
- - KarmaInferno   You can get into some funky situations if get hit ...   Apr 10 2012, 07:44 AM
|- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Apr 10 2012, 02:44 ...   Apr 10 2012, 09:10 AM
- - Kolinho   QUOTE (Eratosthenes @ Apr 7 2012, 02:34 A...   Apr 10 2012, 09:42 AM
- - rlor   I guess I'm in the minority here. If the phan...   Apr 10 2012, 04:33 PM
|- - Kolinho   QUOTE (rlor @ Apr 10 2012, 05:33 PM) I gu...   Apr 10 2012, 07:23 PM
|- - rlor   QUOTE (Kolinho @ Apr 10 2012, 03:23 PM) I...   Apr 10 2012, 07:41 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (rlor @ Apr 10 2012, 07:41 PM) Exce...   Apr 11 2012, 02:36 PM
- - hobgoblin   Think of it more that the spell tells the mind ...   Apr 11 2012, 12:27 PM
- - rlor   In which case I'd view it as a form of mind co...   Apr 11 2012, 02:50 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (rlor @ Apr 11 2012, 03:50 PM) In w...   Apr 11 2012, 10:29 PM
|- - rlor   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 11 2012, 06:29 PM) Re...   Apr 11 2012, 11:41 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (rlor @ Apr 12 2012, 12:41 AM) And ...   Apr 12 2012, 11:56 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Except that the whole point of cybereyes is that t...   Apr 11 2012, 03:05 PM
|- - rlor   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 11 2012, 11:05 AM...   Apr 11 2012, 04:06 PM
- - Yerameyahu   If by 'non-optical' you mean 'non-visu...   Apr 11 2012, 04:49 PM
- - rlor   When I said non-optical I meant digital. I think ...   Apr 11 2012, 05:04 PM
- - JonathanC   If cybereyes count as natural vision, then technic...   Apr 13 2012, 05:29 PM
|- - Eratosthenes   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Apr 13 2012, 01:29 PM)...   Apr 13 2012, 06:49 PM
||- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Eratosthenes @ Apr 13 2012, 11:49 ...   Apr 16 2012, 09:01 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Apr 13 2012, 05:29 PM)...   Apr 14 2012, 01:05 PM
|- - HaxDBeheader   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 14 2012, 02:05 PM) It...   Apr 16 2012, 08:15 PM
|- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 14 2012, 06:05 AM) It...   Apr 16 2012, 09:05 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Apr 16 2012, 10:05 PM)...   Apr 17 2012, 12:52 PM
|- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 17 2012, 04:52 AM) Su...   Apr 17 2012, 03:27 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Apr 17 2012, 03:27 PM)...   Apr 20 2012, 03:38 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's just true in general, though: you'r...   Apr 13 2012, 06:50 PM
- - hobgoblin   I do not recall the optical vs electronic distinct...   Apr 18 2012, 04:45 PM


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