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FriendoftheDork
post Apr 14 2012, 05:23 PM
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Hello everyone, I'm and old SR GM, and some may remember me from before on these forums.

We have started a new game, this time using SR4A rules. Now after forgetting my old house rules and the erratas I'm looking at the SR4 anniversary book, where I suppose the old errata has been applied to.

Flechette: It says it gives +5 to the targets Impact armor, but both the Viper Slivergun is listed with +2 (metal slivers that count as flechette), as is the Remington 990s shotgun (w standard flechette ammo), while the Remington Roomsweeper w/flechettes (actually said to be buckshot) has +5AP. Now are these different ammunition types or are there not? If they were consistently wrong (as in copy paste from SR4) I could understand it, but this is confusing.

There are no rules which weapons can use which type of ammunition, so I'm assuming everything can use everything unless specifically noted (some can use only x). With that in mind, why would anyone ever buy a shotgun (remington 990) to fire the expensive and almost useless flechette ammo, when for example the Ruger 100 sporting rifle can do the job at much better range? Or why get the Mossberg CMDT when an assault rifle can fire flechette ammo full auto while retaining superior range, no extra recoil modifiers, and much better ammo capacity?

That's it for now.
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- FriendoftheDork   Guns and ammo rules clarification   Apr 14 2012, 05:23 PM
- - Neraph   1) The flechette differences are likely this: thos...   Apr 14 2012, 05:37 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Neraph @ Apr 14 2012, 07:37 PM) 1)...   Apr 14 2012, 05:52 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Apr 14 2012, 12...   Apr 14 2012, 09:23 PM
|- - braincraft   QUOTE (Neraph @ Apr 14 2012, 09:23 PM) Ex...   Apr 14 2012, 10:00 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I thought this was an old typo that got fixed? You...   Apr 14 2012, 05:59 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 14 2012, 07:59 PM...   Apr 14 2012, 06:08 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Apr 14 2012, 12...   Apr 15 2012, 07:00 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Personally, I'm fine with certain guns (e.g., ...   Apr 14 2012, 08:37 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 14 2012, 10:37 PM...   Apr 14 2012, 10:00 PM
- - crash2029   Why not just use slug rounds with shotguns?   Apr 15 2012, 01:14 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (crash2029 @ Apr 15 2012, 03:14 AM)...   Apr 15 2012, 01:46 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Ammo has never been the deciding factor; I don...   Apr 15 2012, 02:06 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 14 2012, 08:06 PM...   Apr 15 2012, 03:03 AM
- - Yerameyahu   That is… a thing that someone could say. (T...   Apr 15 2012, 03:06 AM
- - Lantzer   In our games, shotgun shells have the price and av...   Apr 15 2012, 03:40 AM
- - SpellBinder   The Arsenal errata 1.3.2 file does state the Ares ...   Apr 15 2012, 04:03 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Apr 15 2012, 04:03 A...   Apr 15 2012, 11:59 AM
- - Elfenlied   If the shotgun base stats are DV 7 AP -1, then why...   Apr 15 2012, 07:07 AM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Apr 15 2012, 09:07 AM)...   Apr 15 2012, 11:48 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Apr 15 2012, 02...   Apr 15 2012, 03:36 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Apparently you ignore the base AP (maybe it's ...   Apr 15 2012, 01:22 PM
|- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 15 2012, 06:22 AM...   Apr 15 2012, 09:28 PM
- - Yerameyahu   For all we know, that's another typo. Just ki...   Apr 15 2012, 03:44 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 15 2012, 05:44 PM...   Apr 15 2012, 03:55 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 15 2012, 03:22 PM...   Apr 15 2012, 03:45 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Apr 15 2012, 06...   Apr 15 2012, 03:52 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Mäx @ Apr 15 2012, 05:52 PM) Whut,...   Apr 15 2012, 03:58 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Minimal recoil? It has the same recoil as anything...   Apr 15 2012, 09:35 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 15 2012, 11:35 PM...   Apr 15 2012, 10:41 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's not the point. The point is that the s...   Apr 15 2012, 10:51 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 16 2012, 12:51 AM...   Apr 15 2012, 11:24 PM
|- - Chainsaw Samurai   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 15 2012, 03:51 PM...   Apr 17 2012, 03:33 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Hehe. I think the Fubuki *is* nifty. I'm just ...   Apr 15 2012, 11:40 PM
- - StConstantine   Just remember, IRL, shotguns arent particularly be...   Apr 16 2012, 10:44 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (StConstantine @ Apr 16 2012, 04:44...   Apr 16 2012, 09:01 PM
- - SpellBinder   Pulling a description from a different RPG, it has...   Apr 16 2012, 07:00 PM
|- - Eratosthenes   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Apr 16 2012, 02:00 P...   Apr 16 2012, 07:14 PM
|- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (Eratosthenes @ Apr 16 2012, 09:14 ...   Apr 16 2012, 09:03 PM
|- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Apr 16 2012, 01...   Apr 17 2012, 08:48 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Which is why it has no choke effects. It doesn...   Apr 16 2012, 07:21 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Haha, I've never understood that. Why wouldn...   Apr 17 2012, 12:21 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 17 2012, 05:21 AM...   Apr 17 2012, 02:27 PM
|- - Chainsaw Samurai   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 17 2012, 05:21 AM...   Apr 17 2012, 06:38 PM
|- - Hida Tsuzua   QUOTE (Chainsaw Samurai @ Apr 17 2012, 06...   Apr 17 2012, 07:14 PM
- - Halinn   If the Ares Predator is not capable of doing enoug...   Apr 17 2012, 04:11 PM
- - Yerameyahu   You never use slots when you can get it built-in, ...   Apr 17 2012, 08:55 PM
|- - Chainsaw Samurai   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 17 2012, 01:55 PM...   Apr 17 2012, 09:06 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 17 2012, 02:55 PM...   Apr 17 2012, 09:59 PM
|- - Chainsaw Samurai   QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 17 2012, 02:59 PM) Every...   Apr 17 2012, 10:05 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Take the fun out? It gives you more slots left ove...   Apr 17 2012, 11:45 PM
|- - Chainsaw Samurai   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 17 2012, 04:45 PM...   Apr 18 2012, 06:03 AM
- - The Jopp   I made a slight change for Flechettes. If the cha...   Apr 18 2012, 11:20 AM
|- - Eratosthenes   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Apr 18 2012, 07:20 AM) ...   Apr 18 2012, 01:03 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Eratosthenes @ Apr 18 2012, 01:03 ...   Apr 18 2012, 02:46 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I still say, if you're changing things, you mi...   Apr 18 2012, 03:26 PM
|- - ZeroPoint   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 18 2012, 10:26 AM...   Apr 18 2012, 05:45 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yeah. SR4 obviously doesn't have such a thing...   Apr 18 2012, 05:53 PM
- - ZeroPoint   actually, I toyed around with few different ideas....   Apr 18 2012, 06:02 PM
- - ZeroPoint   Perhaps, for Flechette you can make it work simila...   Apr 18 2012, 06:11 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   For the record, I'm already limiting +AP to le...   Apr 18 2012, 11:08 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork @ Apr 18 2012, 11...   Apr 23 2012, 08:48 AM
- - Yerameyahu   That's kind of the point. It's a conceala...   Apr 18 2012, 11:22 PM
- - ZeroPoint   Yeah, if the slivergun fired only S&S instead ...   Apr 19 2012, 01:45 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   Remember that by the Core rules, the Slivergun can...   Apr 21 2012, 09:27 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I never looked closely at WAR, but apparently ther...   Apr 23 2012, 03:30 PM


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