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My group and I are on probably our 3rd shadowrun 4th Edition campaign(the last ones only lasting between 2-5 sessions) and coming up on the 4th session of this campaign. We have completed 2 runs. We have been using a lot more matrix and astral stuff. The GM played a hacker the first campaign we did, and now we have a rigger and I'm half hacker. So we have a lot of checks and balances in the matrix, but none of us really know the rules for magic, just the one player who is using it.

The first run we did with him in it the Spirit took about half the time and killed about half the people. Sure, binding it almost makes him passout. Rebinding it seems to suck to. But he has these spirits bound and rampaging through the run(given one command of kill everyone in X area, so he still had like 2), killing entire squads. This guy doesn't know anything about breaking(optimizing) this system either, he's playing a fairly "whatever" shaman and rolling between 8-14 dice. The run had a ward in each building and 2 on-sight mages. Each mage was able to take one shot at the fire spirit before getting demolished . And while his spirits doing all this crap he's rolling for other spells and junk, shouldn't he have to sustain it or something?

Now we know the GM isn't THAT read on either the Matrix or Magic. What are some extended astral security measures? Should the mages be banishing quicker? I haven't even cracked street magic, so I'm most likely way underread.

EDIT: SORRY! It's 4th Edition Magic.
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- Ziploxx   Limiting Magic   May 23 2012, 04:42 AM
- - kzt   3rd edition are very powerful, as you get magic 6 ...   May 23 2012, 04:59 AM
- - Umidori   Spirits are kinda nutso. They're very binary i...   May 23 2012, 05:56 AM
- - Dakka Dakka   I would advise against an armsrace, especially wit...   May 23 2012, 06:41 AM
|- - Ziploxx   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 22 2012, 11:41 P...   May 23 2012, 08:14 AM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Ziploxx @ May 23 2012, 09:14 AM) W...   May 23 2012, 08:21 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Ziploxx @ May 23 2012, 10:14 AM) W...   May 23 2012, 01:29 PM
- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Ziploxx @ May 23 2012, 05:42 AM) ....   May 23 2012, 08:14 AM
- - Aerospider   It shouldn't come up too often, but background...   May 23 2012, 08:32 AM
- - Thanee   We use a house rule for Summoning, that you cannot...   May 23 2012, 11:41 AM
- - Irion   1) Limit access to high force spirits. 2) Limit po...   May 23 2012, 10:46 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Spirit's edge is rarely an issue as the summon...   May 23 2012, 10:53 PM
- - Falconer   As a new player number 1... stay as far away from ...   May 23 2012, 11:54 PM
- - TheOOB   Kill everyone might be an over broad service for m...   May 24 2012, 04:13 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (TheOOB @ May 24 2012, 06:13 AM) Si...   May 24 2012, 05:11 AM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 24 2012, 06:11 A...   May 24 2012, 07:27 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Aerospider @ May 24 2012, 09:27 AM...   May 24 2012, 11:08 AM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 24 2012, 07:08 P...   May 24 2012, 11:12 AM
- - Dakka Dakka   The question is can you differentiate between the ...   May 24 2012, 11:28 AM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 24 2012, 12:28 P...   May 24 2012, 12:20 PM
- - phlapjack77   I agree. For my own opinion, I would say that for...   May 24 2012, 11:42 AM
- - Neraph   I've run plenty of games over the years and I...   May 24 2012, 01:29 PM
- - Irion   @Neraph Whats your definition of game breaking?   May 24 2012, 01:37 PM
- - Neraph   "I win" buttons. So far, magic has been ...   May 24 2012, 01:46 PM
|- - Irion   QUOTE (Neraph @ May 24 2012, 01:46 PM) ...   May 24 2012, 07:09 PM
- - Umidori   Wait.... Sonic (Read "Elemental") Aura P...   May 24 2012, 03:20 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Yup it will make noises like the 70s Batman series   May 24 2012, 03:34 PM
- - Umidori   No, I mean... I know about the Elemental Strike ad...   May 24 2012, 03:44 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   If it is a regular adept you are right of course. ...   May 24 2012, 03:48 PM
- - DireRadiant   Zipploxx. Magic is powerful. What happens when s...   May 24 2012, 04:18 PM
- - Umidori   Kinda unusual for a fist-adept though, having to s...   May 24 2012, 04:29 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Umidori @ May 24 2012, 05:29 PM) P...   May 24 2012, 05:38 PM
- - Umidori   You're being pedantic, Irion. When in doubt, ...   May 24 2012, 07:29 PM
- - kzt   The "I Win" button is only a problem whe...   May 24 2012, 08:45 PM
- - Neraph   Elemental Strike or whatever, the Adept Power from...   May 25 2012, 12:30 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Neraph @ May 25 2012, 02:30 PM) El...   May 25 2012, 12:41 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 25 2012, 06:41 A...   May 25 2012, 12:52 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Neraph @ May 25 2012, 07:52 AM) Ye...   May 26 2012, 09:24 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ May 26 2012, 03...   May 27 2012, 02:25 AM
|- - Raiki   QUOTE (Neraph @ May 26 2012, 10:25 PM) Ma...   May 27 2012, 04:46 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Raiki @ May 26 2012, 10:46 PM) And...   May 27 2012, 05:06 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Raiki @ May 26 2012, 11:46 PM) And...   May 28 2012, 02:56 PM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ May 28 2012, 10...   May 28 2012, 03:05 PM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist)The guy with the SMG will ...   May 28 2012, 05:46 PM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Umidori @ May 28 2012, 12:46 PM) ....   May 28 2012, 06:08 PM
- - Umidori   @Dakka Sonic damage actually is far worse than El...   May 25 2012, 12:59 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Woops forgot about the nausea. You are right, that...   May 25 2012, 01:13 PM
- - Umidori   At which point the fist-adept uses their Killing H...   May 25 2012, 01:29 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Umidori @ May 25 2012, 03:29 PM) A...   May 25 2012, 01:36 PM
- - Umidori   Sorry, wasn't clear, was assuming typical sort...   May 25 2012, 02:30 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Umidori @ May 25 2012, 08:30 AM) S...   May 25 2012, 02:47 PM
- - Umidori   Kinda mentioned that in the post before my last on...   May 25 2012, 03:13 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Umidori @ May 25 2012, 09:13 AM) K...   May 25 2012, 03:18 PM
- - Umidori   Throwing is probably superior in most cases, excep...   May 25 2012, 04:17 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Umidori @ May 25 2012, 09:17 AM) T...   May 25 2012, 04:33 PM
- - Umidori   As I understand the RAW, though, dual natured non-...   May 25 2012, 04:46 PM
- - Falconer   Astral combat is treated as melee physical attacks...   May 25 2012, 05:41 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Falconer @ May 25 2012, 12:41 PM) ...   May 26 2012, 04:25 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Falconer @ May 25 2012, 07:41 PM) ...   May 26 2012, 10:00 PM
- - Falconer   Dakka: keep that in the broken rules thread... I...   May 27 2012, 12:04 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Falconer @ May 27 2012, 02:04 AM) ...   May 27 2012, 05:31 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 27 2012, 12:31 A...   May 27 2012, 02:12 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Neraph @ May 27 2012, 04:12 PM) Ex...   May 27 2012, 02:27 PM
- - Irion   Beeing dual natured does not mean you have normal ...   May 27 2012, 05:10 AM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Irion @ May 27 2012, 01:10 AM) Bee...   May 27 2012, 11:04 AM
- - Irion   I do not need to see, in order to interact. There...   May 27 2012, 07:19 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Irion @ May 27 2012, 09:19 AM) I d...   May 27 2012, 07:33 AM
|- - Irion   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 27 2012, 07:33 A...   May 27 2012, 10:15 AM
- - Ziploxx   Loving all the discussion. We're in a session ...   May 27 2012, 08:35 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Ziploxx @ May 27 2012, 02:35 AM) L...   May 27 2012, 07:37 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (kzt @ May 27 2012, 02:37 PM) Eithe...   May 27 2012, 08:43 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Neraph @ May 27 2012, 02:43 PM) Ab...   May 27 2012, 09:05 PM
- - Irion   So what is your point? A ghul with cybereyes loosi...   May 27 2012, 11:24 AM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Irion @ May 27 2012, 06:24 AM) So ...   May 27 2012, 12:16 PM
- - Neraph   Well, it can work, just normally doesn't. A F8...   May 27 2012, 02:31 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 27 2012, 02:16 PM) Gh...   May 27 2012, 03:29 PM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 27 2012, 11:29 A...   May 27 2012, 04:35 PM
- - Irion   @_Pax._ Depends on their essence score, but I gues...   May 27 2012, 03:02 PM
- - Umidori   So back to the SnS stuff briefly... does that only...   May 27 2012, 03:48 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Manifested entities (spirits, projecting mages) ar...   May 27 2012, 04:06 PM
- - Medicineman   QUOTE Or will it work if they simply Manifest? Bec...   May 27 2012, 04:06 PM
- - Umidori   So a few more questions, somewhat different topic....   May 27 2012, 04:44 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Umidori @ May 27 2012, 10:44 AM) I...   May 27 2012, 07:40 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Umidori @ May 27 2012, 11:44 AM) S...   May 27 2012, 08:50 PM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (Neraph @ May 27 2012, 02:50 PM) 1)...   May 27 2012, 09:28 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (kzt @ May 27 2012, 11:05 PM) ...   May 27 2012, 09:48 PM
- - Umidori   We need SR5. That's all there is to it. Start...   May 27 2012, 08:16 PM
- - Umidori   You are correct, a spell cast in the physical worl...   May 27 2012, 11:26 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Umidori @ May 27 2012, 05:26 PM) Y...   May 28 2012, 05:57 PM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (Neraph @ May 28 2012, 10:57 AM) If...   May 28 2012, 06:53 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Umidori @ May 28 2012, 01:53 PM) Y...   May 28 2012, 07:05 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Neraph @ May 28 2012, 01:05 PM) Th...   May 28 2012, 07:15 PM
- - Umidori   That's fine if I am. I've been known to ma...   May 28 2012, 07:06 PM
- - Neraph   The quickest thing I can think of is how spells wo...   May 28 2012, 07:08 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   The thing is that, while the caster can be dual-na...   May 28 2012, 08:04 PM
- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 28 2012, 11:05 AM) .....   May 28 2012, 08:06 PM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ May 28 2012, 03...   May 28 2012, 08:24 PM
- - Umidori   @kzt and Dakka Again, please, where does it say t...   May 28 2012, 08:10 PM
- - kzt   Unfortunately in virtually every combat niche for ...   May 28 2012, 08:34 PM
- - Umidori   It really depends on the sort of game you play. Yo...   May 28 2012, 08:45 PM
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