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ShadowGhost
post Apr 18 2004, 11:11 PM
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Here's a question:

Do cover modifiers apply to combat spells, i.e. Stunbolt/Stun Ball?

I have a player who says they shouldn't, saying, "If I can see the target I can hit it with a spell and there shouldn't be any modifiers."

I disagree, saying visibility and cover modifiers apply and should be added to the TN to cast a spell.

Any opinions on this?

Thanks.
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- ShadowGhost   Combat Spells and TN modifiers   Apr 18 2004, 11:11 PM
- - OurTeam   Yes, they apply. Last paragraph on page 181. They ...   Apr 18 2004, 11:12 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   How could anyone argue that "...if I can see ...   Apr 18 2004, 11:26 PM
- - OurTeam   It's easy to argue that point. It's magic,...   Apr 18 2004, 11:29 PM
- - GunnerJ   The argument is pretty much that it's not like...   Apr 18 2004, 11:32 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   I really don't see how, though. Visibility mod...   Apr 18 2004, 11:33 PM
- - Zazen   QUOTE How could anyone argue that... It's har...   Apr 18 2004, 11:36 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   I never stated that. I simply stated that it...   Apr 18 2004, 11:43 PM
- - Zazen   You ended up changing your position when I phrased...   Apr 18 2004, 11:50 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   Yeah, I changed my position all right. <just p...   Apr 18 2004, 11:56 PM
- - Arethusa   Awesome. Magic's not broken enough already, s...   Apr 18 2004, 11:57 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Zazen) The point is that we're all guil...   Apr 19 2004, 12:01 AM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime)Yeah, I changed my positio...   Apr 19 2004, 12:04 AM
- - A Clockwork Lime   Uhm, yeah, okay. I admit when I'm wrong all t...   Apr 19 2004, 12:12 AM
- - Kakkaraun   QUOTE (Arethusa) Awesome. Magic's not broken ...   Apr 19 2004, 01:20 AM
- - LaughingTiger   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime) Edit: Oh, and Blond, vis...   Apr 19 2004, 01:32 AM
- - mfb   theoretically true, but there are no rules for dif...   Apr 19 2004, 01:34 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Okay then, what's the maximum visual range of ...   Apr 19 2004, 01:36 AM
- - A Clockwork Lime   In ours games, I usually just use Assault Cannon r...   Apr 19 2004, 01:38 AM
- - mfb   i'd base it on Intelligence--make ranges a mul...   Apr 19 2004, 01:41 AM
- - Arethusa   Anyone have any ideas for visibility modifiers bas...   Apr 19 2004, 02:09 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   The Grimoire had optional ranges for spells (not p...   Apr 19 2004, 02:14 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime @ Apr 19 2004, 12:12 ...   Apr 19 2004, 03:39 PM
- - blakkie   BTW can you not dodge ranged attack spells like Cl...   Apr 19 2004, 03:43 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   QUOTE (blakkie @ Apr 19 2004, 09:39 AM)On a c...   Apr 19 2004, 03:49 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime @ Apr 19 2004, 03:49 ...   Apr 19 2004, 03:59 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   1. I fully said that my communication skills sucke...   Apr 19 2004, 04:01 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime @ Apr 19 2004, 04:01 ...   Apr 19 2004, 04:14 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   At least I'm not the one dredging up dead and ...   Apr 19 2004, 04:20 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime @ Apr 19 2004, 04:20 ...   Apr 19 2004, 04:34 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   <just pats your head> I'm sorry if you ...   Apr 19 2004, 04:44 PM
- - BitBasher   Juts like emoting patting someone on the head is c...   Apr 19 2004, 04:54 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Herald of Verjigorm) The Grimoire had optio...   Apr 19 2004, 04:58 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime) Uhm, yeah, okay. I admit...   Apr 19 2004, 05:06 PM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (blakkie) I really don't like dragging t...   Apr 19 2004, 05:21 PM
- - Kakkaraun   Yes, let's argue about one another, instead of...   Apr 19 2004, 05:26 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime @ A...   Apr 19 2004, 05:30 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   Would you guys mind bitching at each other in PMs ...   Apr 19 2004, 05:33 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Sorry.   Apr 19 2004, 05:39 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   That chart is the closest thing to an official, up...   Apr 19 2004, 09:31 PM
- - Lilt   Hmm. What about letting people aim spells? Maybe o...   Apr 19 2004, 09:42 PM
- - Arethusa   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Apr 19 2004, 12:58 PM)...   Apr 19 2004, 09:48 PM
- - Lilt   Yup Well: Does it seem reasonable even without t...   Apr 19 2004, 10:00 PM
- - Arethusa   Although I'd want to strictly limit it, given ...   Apr 19 2004, 10:04 PM
- - Lilt   I was going to limit it to Elemental Manipulations...   Apr 19 2004, 10:20 PM
- - Arethusa   Ahem. Break the game more. But, yes, for element...   Apr 19 2004, 11:00 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   I wouldn't allow it. Spells are completely di...   Apr 19 2004, 11:05 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   I wouldn't even think about allowing spell aim...   Apr 19 2004, 11:21 PM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime) I wouldn't allow it. ...   Apr 20 2004, 04:03 AM
- - A Clockwork Lime   Err, what's your point? Enhance Aim is a dete...   Apr 20 2004, 05:45 AM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (Zazen) QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime @ Apr 1...   Apr 20 2004, 05:50 AM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime) Err, what's your poin...   Apr 20 2004, 09:36 AM
- - Kagetenshi   I really don't much like the TN modifiers as l...   Apr 20 2004, 04:26 PM
- - Arkiane   The way i see it cover shouldn't apply until t...   Apr 20 2004, 06:08 PM
- - Kakkaraun   That's my argument /exactly/. Except you put ...   Apr 20 2004, 06:19 PM
- - tisoz   Hiding behind a sheet of paper, or under a bed she...   Apr 20 2004, 06:56 PM
- - Lantzer   QUOTE (Arkiane) The way i see it cover shouldn...   Apr 20 2004, 07:05 PM
- - Lantzer   QUOTE (tisoz) Hiding behind a sheet of paper, or u...   Apr 20 2004, 07:09 PM
- - broho_pcp   or pour alcohol on them and set it on fire.   Apr 20 2004, 07:15 PM
- - Lantzer   Sounds like fun.   Apr 20 2004, 07:22 PM
- - Arethusa   Or, jesus, let's just talk to them. "Loo...   Apr 20 2004, 07:24 PM
- - broho_pcp   of course, maybe it's a dicoted 5,000 threadco...   Apr 20 2004, 07:26 PM
- - Lantzer   I would really look forward to an opportunity to s...   Apr 20 2004, 07:30 PM
- - ShadowGhost   I'm going with Cover Modifiers do apply. As t...   Apr 20 2004, 07:33 PM
- - ShadowGhost   QUOTE (Lantzer) QUOTE (tisoz @ Apr 20 2004, 0...   Apr 20 2004, 07:55 PM
- - Lilt   Not nessecarily. You can target people through clo...   Apr 20 2004, 08:04 PM
- - ShadowGhost   Let me clarify - hiding behind a sheet on a clothe...   Apr 20 2004, 08:19 PM
- - kevyn668   You can see his face. Its like a called shot--t...   Apr 20 2004, 08:23 PM
- - Kakkaraun   "and everything to do with the fact that you ...   Apr 21 2004, 12:41 AM
- - A Clockwork Lime   The big difference between Cover and Size/Profile ...   Apr 21 2004, 01:00 AM
- - ShadowGhost   QUOTE (Kakkaraun @ Apr 21 2004, 12:41 AM) So...   Apr 21 2004, 01:44 AM
- - Kakkaraun   "Do big baggy clown pants provide the clown w...   Apr 21 2004, 02:53 AM
- - A Clockwork Lime   Read the last paragraph.   Apr 21 2004, 03:16 AM
- - ShadowGhost   QUOTE (Kakkaraun) "Do big baggy clown pants p...   Apr 21 2004, 03:16 AM
- - Kakkaraun   "But if you're going to keep overcomplica...   Apr 21 2004, 07:44 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   There's a difference between keeping things si...   Apr 21 2004, 08:31 PM
- - kevyn668   QUOTE Kakkaraun Posted on Apr 21 2004, 07:44 PM ...   Apr 21 2004, 08:34 PM
- - ShadowGhost   QUOTE (Kakkaraun) "But if you're going to...   Apr 22 2004, 12:04 AM
- - Kakkaraun   "So, if you don't want to bother number-c...   Apr 22 2004, 02:23 AM
- - A Clockwork Lime   You might want to read what you just quoted again....   Apr 22 2004, 02:37 AM
- - Kakkaraun   Of course they make sense. Jesus. Let me explain...   Apr 22 2004, 04:57 AM
- - broho_pcp   ridicule? sarcasm? here on DS? good lord what is t...   Apr 22 2004, 05:00 AM
- - ShadowGhost   QUOTE (Kakkaraun @ Apr 22 2004, 04:57 AM) I d...   Apr 22 2004, 05:05 AM
- - mfb   i'm still unclear as to how rules pertaining t...   Apr 22 2004, 05:19 AM
- - Arethusa   QUOTE (ShadowGhost) QUOTE (Kakkaraun @ Apr 22...   Apr 22 2004, 05:31 AM
- - A Clockwork Lime   SR3, p. 181, "Spell Targeting." Cover a...   Apr 22 2004, 05:44 AM
- - ShadowGhost   QUOTE (Arethusa @ Apr 22 2004, 05:31 AM) Can ...   Apr 22 2004, 06:54 AM
- - Erebus   As an additional note, those cover & visibilit...   Apr 23 2004, 05:17 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Just to shed a little light: The reason so many pe...   Apr 23 2004, 05:30 PM


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