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Lionhearted
post Oct 14 2012, 05:01 PM
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Been a very long time since I last came here, but you never truly leave the shadows do you?

So here's the rundown.
I play biweekly in a mostly D&D centric group but lately they've showed an increased interest in giving SR another shot.
Most of us are quite enamoured in the universe but thus far every attempt at starting a campaign have devolved into BTL fuelled killing sprees, Players constantly trying to backstab eachother, Pimping schemes trying to sell other PCs and the like.

Personally I think these breakdowns are caused by giving to much creative freedom to a group conditioned by linear dungeon crawling.
That and an unfamiliarity with the rules which inherently limits the group.

So Im currently trying to come up with ideas on how to step-by-step introduce my players to the system without completely overloading them.

Here's the current idea Im working with, Im open to any and all suggestions on how to improve and elaborate on it.

Im thinking of starting them off with very basic characters with little combat capability and mostly mundane abilities
- Little to no chrome or magic
- Most likely greatly inflated karma gain. Partly to get used to the system, partly to let people grow into their characters rather then start out with toys they don't know how to use.
- Would appreciate feedback on how to do this in a sensible manner

Structure the first few runs around introducing the players
to specific concepts like hacking, legwork, negotiations and the like... Im fairly confident they already get the jist of wetwork
- Hacking in particular is something we handwaved alot in the past, but its a major part of the game and one of the biggest steps in moving away from D&D with guns.
- again with the intentionally low combat capacity to force them to think their way out of the situation
- Possibly a run that introduces magic and the option to become awakened.
- Any ideas welcome! I have very little experience making my own missions and tend to improvise alot rather then keeping alot of notes.

So... how can you make clearly unsuitable runners like these plausible?

My thinking is that the characters grew up on one of the orbital/extraterrestial colonies, that don't exist... This alleviate alot of the inconsistentencies with the characters, like why they know so little about the world (outside of corp propaganda), why they have no combat training, chrome or magical experience (I hear the background count of deep space is quite hindering), why they're effectively SINless (Officially they don't exist).
But most of all it gives a way better justification for fish out of the water elements then group amnesia...
Only thing that stumps me is how and why they left the cosy comfort of the colony, and how they ended up in the sprawls of wherever.

Finally as a small towner from Sweden I usually have a hard time picturing the structure or layout of a metroplex like Seattle... any tips on how to deal with that?

Sorry for the wall of text, atleast tried to section it.
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- Lionhearted   How to ease players into a runner's mindset?   Oct 14 2012, 05:01 PM
- - Medicineman   Do they have to be Runners ? Why don't You st...   Oct 14 2012, 05:45 PM
- - Lionhearted   The last one was a bit like what Im already aiming...   Oct 14 2012, 06:02 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Oct 14 2012, 12:02 P...   Oct 15 2012, 02:02 AM
- - Medicineman   You could also get the Ghost Cartell Campaign and...   Oct 14 2012, 06:15 PM
- - Lionhearted   The more I think of the more I like the idea. Blue...   Oct 14 2012, 06:54 PM
- - Cabral   Since I'll likely get stuck with GMing, for my...   Oct 14 2012, 07:04 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Getting them in a SR mood? Have them watch movies...   Oct 14 2012, 08:12 PM
- - Glyph   Lowering the power level is a solution that doesn...   Oct 15 2012, 12:21 AM
- - All4BigGuns   Do nothing. If that's what they're doing, ...   Oct 15 2012, 12:26 AM
|- - EKBT81   QUOTE (All4BigGuns @ Oct 15 2012, 02:26 A...   Oct 15 2012, 09:54 AM
||- - Medicineman   QUOTE (EKBT81 @ Oct 15 2012, 05:54 AM) I...   Oct 15 2012, 01:26 PM
||- - All4BigGuns   QUOTE (EKBT81 @ Oct 15 2012, 04:54 AM) I...   Oct 16 2012, 08:14 PM
|- - Krishach   QUOTE (All4BigGuns @ Oct 15 2012, 01:26 A...   Oct 16 2012, 06:32 AM
- - Dolanar   I think the discussion idea is a good one, since y...   Oct 15 2012, 10:58 AM
- - Raiden   could always convert them to a merc group with a t...   Oct 15 2012, 11:11 AM
- - sk8bcn   I don't like a low level approach neither. Iro...   Oct 15 2012, 11:59 AM
- - Lionhearted   Working hours tend to limit response ratio, alot o...   Oct 15 2012, 03:12 PM
|- - EKBT81   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Oct 15 2012, 05:12 P...   Oct 15 2012, 04:15 PM
- - Lionhearted   Well it seem I can't get five minutes without ...   Oct 15 2012, 03:39 PM
|- - sk8bcn   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Oct 15 2012, 05:39 P...   Oct 16 2012, 07:33 AM
- - Medicineman   QUOTE The low power was mostly to avoid minmax str...   Oct 15 2012, 03:41 PM
- - Lionhearted   I've been playing around with the idea of havi...   Oct 15 2012, 03:57 PM
- - Lionhearted   Karma gen rules are in RC are they not? Definetly ...   Oct 15 2012, 04:30 PM
|- - Medicineman   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Oct 15 2012, 12:30 P...   Oct 15 2012, 04:38 PM
- - Lionhearted   Aye I found the lack of qualities in the corebook ...   Oct 15 2012, 04:43 PM
- - Dolanar   ok with this new information about the group. Min...   Oct 15 2012, 05:35 PM
- - Raiden   I still throw my vote in for the Corp merc group. ...   Oct 15 2012, 07:19 PM
- - Lionhearted   Corporate background is a nice and clean way to ha...   Oct 15 2012, 07:51 PM
- - Dolanar   Mission went wrong, the Corp drops them & has ...   Oct 16 2012, 12:47 AM
- - Raiden   Say the runners start to know "to much" ...   Oct 16 2012, 01:41 AM
- - Lionhearted   QUOTE (Dolanar @ Oct 16 2012, 02:47 AM) M...   Oct 16 2012, 04:14 PM
|- - sk8bcn   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Oct 16 2012, 06:14 P...   Oct 17 2012, 08:10 AM
- - bannockburn   Hello, paranoia again. Note the name of the topic:...   Oct 16 2012, 08:24 PM
- - Lionhearted   Can't fault people on DS for paranoia, that...   Oct 16 2012, 08:39 PM
- - Raiden   I think people talk about burning them as the reas...   Oct 16 2012, 08:39 PM
- - Dikotana   Something that got lost from the original post is ...   Oct 17 2012, 04:12 AM
- - Manunancy   Expanding on someone else's mercenary camaign ...   Oct 17 2012, 05:33 AM
- - Midas   I would agree with most posters that some kind of ...   Oct 17 2012, 08:23 AM
|- - All4BigGuns   QUOTE (Midas @ Oct 17 2012, 02:23 AM) I d...   Oct 17 2012, 09:05 AM
|- - sk8bcn   QUOTE (Midas @ Oct 17 2012, 10:23 AM) I d...   Oct 17 2012, 09:17 AM
- - Medicineman   QUOTE I don't understand the lack of love for ...   Oct 17 2012, 08:48 AM
- - Bull   QUOTE How to ease players into a runner's mind...   Oct 17 2012, 09:50 AM
- - Medicineman   Sniff,Sniff Can it be ? I seem to smell...some.......   Oct 17 2012, 10:28 AM
|- - Bull   QUOTE (Medicineman @ Oct 17 2012, 06:28 A...   Oct 18 2012, 09:46 AM
- - Lionhearted   I left the low BP idea back on page 1, However I t...   Oct 17 2012, 04:34 PM
- - Iduno   I'm not sure that restricting the amount or ki...   Oct 17 2012, 05:03 PM
- - Lionhearted   I was planning on having a dedicated chargen sessi...   Oct 17 2012, 05:16 PM
- - Raiden   I wouldnt limit the chrome they can get, but maybe...   Oct 17 2012, 05:18 PM
- - Lionhearted   Oh yea... if they only got like 5 or less BPs with...   Oct 17 2012, 05:30 PM
- - All4BigGuns   Don't forget, the more limits you put on your ...   Oct 17 2012, 07:26 PM
|- - Midas   QUOTE (All4BigGuns @ Oct 17 2012, 10:05 A...   Oct 19 2012, 10:01 AM
- - Lionhearted   They're quite used to low lvl campaigns so I d...   Oct 17 2012, 07:42 PM
- - phoenix182   I recently began a new group (mostly family) who h...   Oct 19 2012, 09:24 AM
- - Lionhearted   @Phoenix182 That kind of labour is one of the mark...   Oct 19 2012, 03:32 PM
- - Lionhearted   @Midas I actually like the limit BP in nuyen optio...   Oct 19 2012, 03:47 PM
|- - All4BigGuns   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Oct 19 2012, 09:47 A...   Oct 21 2012, 05:17 AM
- - Midas   Yes, if parent corp is going to provide them with ...   Oct 19 2012, 05:39 PM
- - Midas   Double post   Oct 19 2012, 05:39 PM
- - Glyph   400 BP is a real mixed bag. If you are skilled at...   Oct 20 2012, 04:28 AM
- - Raiden   I prefer 750 karmagen as it gives a "little...   Oct 20 2012, 06:51 AM
- - Glyph   It sounds like he is having them start out with 25...   Oct 21 2012, 03:55 AM
|- - Lionhearted   QUOTE (Glyph @ Oct 21 2012, 05:55 AM) It ...   Oct 21 2012, 09:01 AM
- - Raiden   speaking of DnD andpathifinder... that makes me wa...   Oct 21 2012, 12:26 PM
- - Dolanar   hmmm, how would that work? I can see the skill sys...   Oct 21 2012, 12:44 PM
|- - Raiden   QUOTE (Dolanar @ Oct 21 2012, 08:44 AM) h...   Oct 21 2012, 12:55 PM
|- - Raiden   QUOTE (Raiden @ Oct 21 2012, 08:55 AM) we...   Oct 21 2012, 12:56 PM
- - Lionhearted   What about classes being akin to Mages, quality to...   Oct 21 2012, 01:33 PM
|- - Raiden   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Oct 21 2012, 09:33 A...   Oct 21 2012, 01:43 PM
- - Lionhearted   After chargen it would probably make sense to make...   Oct 21 2012, 01:58 PM
|- - Raiden   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Oct 21 2012, 09:58 A...   Oct 21 2012, 02:17 PM
|- - Lionhearted   QUOTE (Raiden @ Oct 21 2012, 04:17 PM) so...   Oct 21 2012, 02:26 PM
|- - Raiden   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Oct 21 2012, 10:26 A...   Oct 21 2012, 03:39 PM
- - Dolanar   ok lemme run this real quick... At character crea...   Oct 22 2012, 05:13 AM
|- - Raiden   QUOTE (Dolanar @ Oct 22 2012, 01:13 AM) o...   Oct 22 2012, 05:33 AM
- - Dolanar   well if you are changing the entire level building...   Oct 22 2012, 05:46 AM
|- - Raiden   QUOTE (Dolanar @ Oct 22 2012, 01:46 AM) w...   Oct 22 2012, 10:48 AM
- - Dolanar   yes, but d20 style attributes will not translate e...   Oct 22 2012, 11:16 AM
|- - Raiden   QUOTE (Dolanar @ Oct 22 2012, 07:16 AM) y...   Oct 22 2012, 11:27 AM
- - Dolanar   lol, higher level games with Twinkers would hit mo...   Oct 22 2012, 02:33 PM
|- - Raiden   QUOTE (Dolanar @ Oct 22 2012, 10:33 AM) l...   Oct 22 2012, 02:38 PM
- - Lionhearted   Not that I mind the hijacking, But we should proba...   Oct 22 2012, 02:38 PM
- - Raiden   possibly, I had not intended for it to take up so ...   Oct 22 2012, 02:44 PM
- - Lionhearted   Tis an interesting idea This thread kinda served ...   Oct 22 2012, 02:47 PM
- - Raiden   the thread is up, hope it stays active lol   Oct 22 2012, 02:56 PM
- - FuelDrop   How to ease players into a runners mindset... you ...   Oct 22 2012, 03:04 PM
- - Byrel   Strip their hair brushes while their gone, and lea...   Oct 23 2012, 04:11 PM
|- - Lionhearted   QUOTE (Byrel @ Oct 23 2012, 06:11 PM) Str...   Oct 23 2012, 04:57 PM
- - Raiden   http://gutwrenchingrpg.org/heyman/ there ya go.   Oct 23 2012, 07:26 PM
- - Lionhearted   Oh yes, it's finally happening!!! ...   Dec 21 2012, 05:54 PM
- - Valentinew   My thoughts on this topic are a little different. ...   Dec 26 2012, 05:28 PM


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