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So I have a question on Concealment from s spirit. The group has a mage who has bound spirits. These spirits are usually Force 7.
So what they did was use this spirit to enter the area. Meaning any perception test in -7 to the dice pool.

1) Do the bad guys get a perception test when the team enters an area? Since concealment covers sound, smell, etc..
The enemy is not aware they are there.

2) How does suprise work in this situation?

3) if the party has silencer and each member maintains LOS to the spirit they can basically each walk to an enemy. And then do Long Narrow Burst.
Does the concealment drop once they shot?
Is it still -7 dice pool for enemy to percieve them after they shoot since everything is concealed and they have silencer's?

It just seems to over powering since the party can basically walk up to the enemy unaware.



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- JoeP   Concealment   Nov 19 2012, 12:44 PM
- - Irion   Yes, concealment is one of those powers which work...   Nov 19 2012, 01:35 PM
- - Neraph   1) Yes they get a Perception Test, assuming a) The...   Nov 19 2012, 02:11 PM
- - Lantzer   The other issue is that really obvious things can ...   Nov 24 2012, 02:42 AM
|- - Midas   QUOTE (Lantzer @ Nov 24 2012, 03:42 AM) T...   Nov 24 2012, 05:52 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE Object/sound stands out in some way - dice p...   Nov 24 2012, 09:57 AM
- - kzt   Also, silencers are amazing in how much they can d...   Nov 24 2012, 04:10 AM
|- - Tanegar   QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 23 2012, 11:10 PM) Also,...   Nov 24 2012, 05:00 AM
- - kzt   It's not a linear scale. It's a log scale...   Nov 24 2012, 05:08 AM
- - Tanegar   That makes much more sense, thank you.   Nov 24 2012, 05:19 AM
- - Neraph   My group uses Concealment as a dicepool penalty to...   Nov 24 2012, 07:26 PM
|- - Tanegar   QUOTE (Neraph @ Nov 24 2012, 02:26 PM) My...   Nov 24 2012, 08:30 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Neraph @ Nov 24 2012, 08:26 PM) My...   Nov 25 2012, 12:47 PM
- - Alpha Blue   Doesn't the spirit have to be manifest? So tha...   Nov 24 2012, 11:45 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Alpha Blue @ Nov 25 2012, 07:45 AM...   Nov 25 2012, 12:06 AM
|- - Alpha Blue   QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 25 2012, 01:06 AM) Do...   Nov 25 2012, 12:16 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Alpha Blue @ Nov 25 2012, 08:16 AM...   Nov 25 2012, 12:24 AM
|- - Alpha Blue   QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 25 2012, 01:24 AM) 1)...   Nov 25 2012, 12:31 AM
||- - toturi   QUOTE (Alpha Blue @ Nov 25 2012, 08:31 AM...   Nov 25 2012, 12:45 AM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 24 2012, 05:45 PM) 1)...   Nov 25 2012, 05:19 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 24 2012, 05:24 PM) 1)...   Nov 25 2012, 03:07 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 24 2012, 08:07 PM) 2) Co...   Nov 25 2012, 05:25 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Nov 25 2012, 06:47 A...   Nov 25 2012, 07:05 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Neraph @ Nov 25 2012, 12:05 PM) Yo...   Nov 25 2012, 08:28 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 25 2012, 02...   Nov 25 2012, 09:27 PM
- - Alpha Blue   Why did you ask then?   Nov 25 2012, 12:52 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Alpha Blue @ Nov 25 2012, 08:52 AM...   Nov 25 2012, 01:06 AM
- - Alpha Blue   "Materialization Type: P • Action: Complex • ...   Nov 25 2012, 01:23 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Alpha Blue @ Nov 25 2012, 09:23 AM...   Nov 25 2012, 02:08 AM
- - Alpha Blue   The quote says they have to be on the plane they w...   Nov 25 2012, 08:26 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Alpha Blue @ Nov 25 2012, 04:26 PM...   Nov 25 2012, 09:38 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 25 2012, 02:38 AM) Th...   Nov 25 2012, 05:21 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 26 2012, 01...   Nov 26 2012, 02:37 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 25 2012, 10:37 PM) Th...   Nov 26 2012, 04:22 AM
- - kzt   One of the "charms" of SR has always bee...   Nov 25 2012, 07:13 PM
- - Neraph   True. I agree with the frustration, though, of Con...   Nov 25 2012, 07:27 PM
- - Draco18s   QUOTE (JoeP @ Nov 19 2012, 08:44 AM) boun...   Nov 25 2012, 09:39 PM
- - Neraph   I noticed that, but at my tables spirits are norma...   Nov 25 2012, 10:03 PM
- - Irion   @Draco18s Force 7 is not that hard for an advanced...   Nov 26 2012, 08:22 AM
- - NiL_FisK_Urd   You forgot to add the Skill to your tests - your m...   Nov 26 2012, 08:26 AM
- - Irion   @NiL_FisK_Urd Thanks, thought it looked a bit low....   Nov 26 2012, 08:46 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Irion @ Nov 26 2012, 02:46 AM) @Ni...   Nov 26 2012, 02:14 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Neraph @ Nov 26 2012, 07:14 AM) Ot...   Nov 26 2012, 03:50 PM
|- - Alpha Blue   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 26 2012, 04...   Nov 26 2012, 08:33 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Alpha Blue @ Nov 26 2012, 01:33 PM...   Nov 26 2012, 08:44 PM
- - pbangarth   I'd like to point out that Assensing is differ...   Nov 26 2012, 11:56 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Nov 26 2012, 05:56 PM)...   Nov 27 2012, 06:33 AM
- - pbangarth   QUOTE (SR4A page 191)While astral perception allow...   Nov 27 2012, 06:46 AM
|- - NiL_FisK_Urd   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Nov 27 2012, 07:46 AM)...   Nov 27 2012, 09:34 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Nov 26 2012, 11:46 PM)...   Nov 27 2012, 05:37 PM
- - blaze2050   Sorry, coming late to the thread. Somebody asked ...   Nov 27 2012, 08:26 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (blaze2050 @ Nov 27 2012, 02:26 AM)...   Nov 27 2012, 02:29 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Neraph @ Nov 27 2012, 07:29 AM) Th...   Nov 27 2012, 02:35 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 27 2012, 08...   Nov 27 2012, 02:40 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Neraph @ Nov 27 2012, 07:40 AM) Co...   Nov 27 2012, 05:41 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 27 2012, 11:37 AM) Astra...   Nov 27 2012, 05:53 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Neraph @ Nov 27 2012, 10:53 AM) Mo...   Nov 27 2012, 08:53 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 27 2012, 04...   Nov 27 2012, 09:03 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Nov 27 2012, 02:03 PM) ...   Nov 27 2012, 11:27 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 27 2012, 07...   Nov 27 2012, 11:31 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Nov 27 2012, 04:31 PM) ...   Nov 27 2012, 11:44 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 27 2012, 04...   Nov 28 2012, 12:29 AM
- - almost normal   Astral Chameleon, Bitches!   Nov 27 2012, 09:19 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (almost normal @ Nov 27 2012, 03:19...   Nov 27 2012, 10:38 PM
|- - Dreadlord   QUOTE (Neraph @ Nov 27 2012, 05:38 PM) As...   Nov 27 2012, 10:57 PM
- - Draco18s   Let me make this very easy for you. Here's th...   Nov 28 2012, 02:01 AM
- - Prime Mover   I've always treated concealment and stealth pr...   Nov 28 2012, 02:17 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Prime Mover @ Nov 27 2012, 10:17 P...   Nov 28 2012, 02:34 AM
- - Neraph   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 27 2012, 05...   Nov 28 2012, 03:52 AM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Neraph @ Nov 28 2012, 11:52 AM) Ac...   Nov 28 2012, 04:34 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Nov 28 2012, 05:34 A...   Nov 28 2012, 06:09 AM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Nov 28 2012, 02:09 P...   Nov 28 2012, 06:53 AM
|- - almost normal   Being able to break LOS and to continue to sustain...   Nov 28 2012, 03:23 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (almost normal @ Nov 28 2012, 11:23...   Nov 28 2012, 03:55 PM
|- - Nath   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Nov 28 2012, 04:55 PM) ...   Dec 2 2012, 01:40 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Nath @ Dec 2 2012, 09:40 AM) The q...   Dec 2 2012, 04:18 PM
- - pbangarth   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Nov 27 2012, 07:46 AM) * Assens...   Nov 28 2012, 04:30 AM
- - almost normal   From such a pedantic reading, you could also say t...   Nov 28 2012, 02:08 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (almost normal @ Nov 28 2012, 07:08...   Nov 28 2012, 02:58 PM
- - almost normal   There's that one echo that throws a person int...   Nov 28 2012, 04:01 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (almost normal @ Nov 28 2012, 12:01...   Nov 28 2012, 05:12 PM
- - Nath   From a crunch perspective, the answer to the quest...   Dec 2 2012, 04:28 PM
- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Nath @ Dec 2 2012, 12:28 PM) From ...   Dec 2 2012, 04:37 PM


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