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Tanegar
post Jun 16 2013, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (Sunshine @ Jun 16 2013, 01:17 PM) *
...because you say so, hmm?

No, it breaks SR's internal logic due to the massive, colossal, epic disconnect between the way technology has previously been stated to work in the Sixth World, and the way it is now being stated to work, with absolutely no in-universe explanation given for the change.

QUOTE (apple @ Jun 16 2013, 01:36 PM) *
The reason was given by JH in a blog

"Hackers were not useful in combat (because apparently no one uses radio communition, drones or tacnets) so in order to be useful they need something to hack (like items or cyberware). Since everybody (especially the player) however knows, that being online is a potential hacking/detection problem, everybody (especially the players) went offline - which is not acceptable. So to make everything having a price and hackable 8because, you know, hackers cannot do anything in combat) you only get the good goodies if you are online. "

Example given in the blog : your googles with a vision enhancement catches info bits from the air and so you get +3 to perception. But now you are hackable"

That is the official reasoning behind "everything must be online".

I have no idea where he's getting the idea that nobody uses radios, drones, or tacnets. I see posts here on Dumpshock all the time about the awesomeness of tacnets (and they are pretty damned awesome), and my players use drones and comms all the time. Which reminds me, I should really start throwing some hackers at them.

Anyway, hacking enemy comms is super useful in combat. Hacking enemy drones is super useful. Hacking the enemy tacnet... holy shit, the havoc you could wreak. Why in great Cthulhu's unholy name is it necessary for cyberware hacking to be a viable avenue?
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- Tanegar   Matrix bonuses are dumb.   Jun 16 2013, 07:57 PM
- - Sunshine   I do not know how to move my post! QUOTE No, ...   Jun 16 2013, 08:20 PM
- - apple   The part with "making sense" should not ...   Jun 16 2013, 08:22 PM
- - Sunshine   QUOTE The part with "making sense" shoul...   Jun 16 2013, 08:40 PM
|- - apple   QUOTE (Sunshine @ Jun 16 2013, 03:40 PM) ...   Jun 16 2013, 08:46 PM
- - Glyph   I think my biggest problem with the matrix bonuses...   Jun 16 2013, 08:58 PM
- - binarywraith   Heck, here's a basic gameplay example. What h...   Jun 16 2013, 09:05 PM
|- - Wakshaani   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Jun 16 2013, 04:05 ...   Jun 17 2013, 04:34 PM
|- - Kruger   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Jun 16 2013, 02:05 ...   Jun 17 2013, 04:55 PM
|- - Cochise   QUOTE (Kruger @ Jun 17 2013, 06:55 PM) An...   Jun 17 2013, 05:00 PM
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|- - binarywraith   QUOTE (Cochise @ Jun 17 2013, 11:00 AM) T...   Jun 17 2013, 05:34 PM
- - apple   Well, I hope you use a satellite dish on your reac...   Jun 16 2013, 09:18 PM
- - apple   QUOTE (Shemhazai @ Jun 16 2013, 05:02 PM)...   Jun 16 2013, 10:12 PM
|- - Shemhazai   QUOTE (apple @ Jun 16 2013, 05:12 PM) 1) ...   Jun 16 2013, 10:27 PM
- - apple   Like a hackable, spam ridden, matrix noise dependa...   Jun 16 2013, 10:32 PM
|- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (apple @ Jun 16 2013, 05:32 PM) Lik...   Jun 17 2013, 01:56 AM
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- - Charon   What are we talking about, anyway? In 5e, What ...   Jun 17 2013, 02:50 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Charon @ Jun 16 2013, 10:50 PM) Wh...   Jun 17 2013, 05:14 AM
|- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 17 2013, 01:14 AM) it a...   Jun 17 2013, 05:34 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Jun 16 2013, 10...   Jun 17 2013, 05:39 AM
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|- - apple   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jun 17 2013, 01:08 PM) ...   Jun 17 2013, 06:29 PM
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