Jun 17 2013, 10:28 PM
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http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=11303.0
QUOTE Direct combat spells now only do damage equal to net hits. So no more "stunbolt/stunball for force eight, roll six hits, help yourself to a a nice 14 or so points of stun and call me in the morning when you wake up." Drain is no longer first aid-able it has to heal naturally not even medkits can help. Indirect Combat spells do force + net hits damage if they connect with AP equal to the force you cast at but can be dodged like bullets/guns.. So, lets take magic 10, spellcasting 12 and 8 bonus dices 8 (just for the theory, no idea if you can increase your magic attribute and receive any bonus dices): 30 dices by one of the worlds top non-immortal-elves mages. 10 hits (when used at force 10), 7-9 after non-antimagic spell resistance. The powerful (but not worldclass) mage would be in the 5-6 damage area. Compared to 16k grenades, 8k pistols and 11k rifles? What exactly is the point of of direct combat spells now? Why do they even exist? What´s the selling point? Complete silence? SYL |
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apple SR5 magic Jun 17 2013, 10:28 PM
Epicedion QUOTE (apple @ Jun 17 2013, 05:28 PM) htt... Jun 17 2013, 10:39 PM
apple QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 17 2013, 05:39 PM)... Jun 17 2013, 10:43 PM
Epicedion QUOTE (apple @ Jun 17 2013, 05:43 PM) Yes... Jun 17 2013, 10:55 PM

apple QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 17 2013, 05:55 PM)... Jun 17 2013, 10:59 PM

Epicedion QUOTE (apple @ Jun 17 2013, 05:59 PM) Wha... Jun 17 2013, 11:12 PM
cryptoknight QUOTE (apple @ Jun 17 2013, 04:43 PM) Yes... Jun 21 2013, 03:53 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Jun 21 2013, 09:53 ... Jun 21 2013, 04:36 PM
Bigity Ugh. I agree they needed some toning down, but th... Jun 17 2013, 10:47 PM
Epicedion QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 17 2013, 05:47 PM) Ug... Jun 17 2013, 11:09 PM
Moirdryd Sometimes it's better to just use a gun. It wa... Jun 17 2013, 10:49 PM
apple Yes, that´s all ok and such ... but we are talking... Jun 17 2013, 10:54 PM
Moirdryd Good question, well posed, looking forwards to an ... Jun 17 2013, 10:56 PM
tasti man LH I'd assume that Direct spells still have the l... Jun 17 2013, 11:14 PM
Epicedion QUOTE (tasti man LH @ Jun 17 2013, 06:14 ... Jun 17 2013, 11:22 PM

Not of this World How are Traditions different from SR4? Jun 18 2013, 01:22 AM
Mäx QUOTE (tasti man LH @ Jun 18 2013, 01:14 ... Jun 18 2013, 08:44 AM
apple But then again Joe Wageslave has a Pistol (8+1 bas... Jun 17 2013, 11:20 PM
tasti man LH They haven't said anything explicit yet, but t... Jun 18 2013, 02:18 AM
Bigity QUOTE (tasti man LH @ Jun 17 2013, 09:18 ... Jun 18 2013, 03:40 AM
Not of this World QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 17 2013, 08:40 PM) Yo... Jun 18 2013, 04:33 AM
Shinobi Killfist Yeah I did the math on this a while back and 1 net... Jun 18 2013, 02:28 AM
Aaron It's easier to cast at higher Force (yes, if y... Jun 18 2013, 02:56 AM
Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Aaron @ Jun 17 2013, 09:56 PM) It... Jun 18 2013, 03:34 AM
Epicedion I guardedly enthusiastic about the spellcasting ru... Jun 18 2013, 03:58 AM
Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 17 2013, 10:58 PM)... Jun 18 2013, 04:29 AM
Makki 4 damage unsoakable is fine compared to 12 damage ... Jun 18 2013, 05:02 AM
Epicedion QUOTE (Makki @ Jun 18 2013, 01:02 AM) 4 d... Jun 18 2013, 05:14 AM

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Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (DWC @ Jun 18 2013, 08:58 AM) One s... Jun 19 2013, 03:12 AM

Epicedion QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jun 18 2013, 10... Jun 19 2013, 04:42 AM

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Epicedion QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jun 19 2013, 01... Jun 19 2013, 05:27 AM

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Epicedion QUOTE (apple @ Jun 19 2013, 06:51 AM) And... Jun 19 2013, 04:42 PM


Starmage21 QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 19 2013, 11:42 AM)... Jun 19 2013, 08:52 PM


Seerow QUOTE (Starmage21 @ Jun 19 2013, 08:52 PM... Jun 19 2013, 09:02 PM



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Bull QUOTE (sk8bcn @ Jun 20 2013, 04:40 AM) Wo... Jun 20 2013, 04:24 PM



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Sendaz QUOTE (Starmage21 @ Jun 19 2013, 04:52 PM... Jun 19 2013, 09:24 PM


Epicedion QUOTE (Starmage21 @ Jun 19 2013, 04:52 PM... Jun 19 2013, 09:44 PM

Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 19 2013, 01:24 AM)... Jun 19 2013, 01:56 PM
Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (Makki @ Jun 18 2013, 01:02 AM) 4 d... Jun 18 2013, 05:30 AM
j2klbs I've thought of a few points that have not bee... Jun 18 2013, 07:06 AM
j2klbs Ooops. Math is wrong. If target of indirect spel... Jun 18 2013, 07:13 AM
CrystalBlue I don't know about most people here that are c... Jun 18 2013, 12:22 PM
Bigity Slightly better.
Slight.
It should be much, mu... Jun 19 2013, 07:38 AM
Epicedion QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 19 2013, 03:38 AM) Sl... Jun 19 2013, 08:09 AM
Cochise QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 19 2013, 09:38 AM) Ot... Jun 19 2013, 08:16 AM
Sendaz QUOTE (Cochise @ Jun 19 2013, 04:16 AM) ~... Jun 19 2013, 08:18 AM
Epicedion I would say that the damage potential for direct c... Jun 19 2013, 08:38 AM
tasti man LH Also remember that Increase Attribute and Decrease... Jun 19 2013, 04:31 PM
apple No, that it should have a place in the universe. A... Jun 19 2013, 04:44 PM
Jizmack Maybe the point of this reduction in combat spell ... Jun 19 2013, 11:21 PM
Bigity That would be just as lame, frankly. Jun 19 2013, 11:29 PM
Kyrel QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 20 2013, 01:29 AM) Th... Jun 20 2013, 04:44 PM
Starmage21 QUOTE (Kyrel @ Jun 20 2013, 11:44 AM) Tha... Jun 20 2013, 05:35 PM

Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Starmage21 @ Jun 20 2013, 10:35 AM... Jun 20 2013, 05:55 PM
Bigity QUOTE (Kyrel @ Jun 20 2013, 10:44 AM) Tha... Jun 21 2013, 03:35 AM
Kyrel QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 21 2013, 05:35 AM) SR... Jun 21 2013, 10:09 AM
Shinobi Killfist I think one of the intents was to make it so peopl... Jun 19 2013, 11:40 PM
KarmaInferno I dunno, my mage was powerbolting plenty of NPCs i... Jun 19 2013, 11:53 PM
Sendaz QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Jun 19 2013, 07:53 ... Jun 20 2013, 12:31 AM
Shinobi Killfist Well, I can see it 6 magic+6 spell casting hell ma... Jun 20 2013, 12:38 AM
KarmaInferno QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jun 19 2013, 08... Jun 20 2013, 03:23 AM
tasti man LH Hmm, so reagents now have more uses besides enchan... Jun 20 2013, 03:41 AM
Sendaz QUOTE (tasti man LH @ Jun 19 2013, 10:41 ... Jun 20 2013, 06:49 AM
DMiller Just a quick note to keep in mind... The term ... Jun 20 2013, 08:14 AM
Epicedion If you're looking to house-rule something that... Jun 20 2013, 05:26 PM
cryptoknight Did folks forget Accuracy on the pistols in all th... Jun 21 2013, 04:14 PM
Mäx QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Jun 21 2013, 06:14 ... Jun 21 2013, 04:59 PM
cryptoknight QUOTE (Mäx @ Jun 21 2013, 10:59 AM) Smart... Jun 21 2013, 06:15 PM
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Shinobi Killfist QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Jun 21 2013, 02:15 ... Jun 22 2013, 01:14 AM
Werewindlefr So, I wrote a small python program that would comp... Jun 24 2013, 06:11 PM
Seerow QUOTE (Werewindlefr @ Jun 24 2013, 06:11 ... Jun 24 2013, 06:19 PM
Epicedion Also consider that we're not entirely sure on ... Jun 24 2013, 06:32 PM
Werewindlefr I didn't take elemental effects into account, ... Jun 24 2013, 06:54 PM
Seerow QUOTE (Werewindlefr @ Jun 24 2013, 06:54 ... Jun 24 2013, 07:22 PM
Werewindlefr QUOTE (Seerow @ Jun 24 2013, 03:22 PM) I... Jun 24 2013, 07:43 PM
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Daedelus If the damage output of a mage is slightly less th... Jun 24 2013, 07:31 PM
tasti man LH I think it's more like people are upset that t... Jun 24 2013, 07:33 PM
Daedelus QUOTE (tasti man LH @ Jun 24 2013, 11:33 ... Jun 24 2013, 07:39 PM
Shemhazai I think my next magician build is going to special... Jun 24 2013, 08:08 PM
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Shemhazai QUOTE (Sendaz @ Jun 24 2013, 04:13 PM) Do... Jun 24 2013, 08:15 PM
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