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Direct combat spells now only do damage equal to net hits.

So no more "stunbolt/stunball for force eight, roll six hits, help yourself to a a nice 14 or so points of stun and call me in the morning when you wake up."

Drain is no longer first aid-able it has to heal naturally not even medkits can help.

Indirect Combat spells do force + net hits damage if they connect with AP equal to the force you cast at but can be dodged like bullets/guns..


So, lets take magic 10, spellcasting 12 and 8 bonus dices 8 (just for the theory, no idea if you can increase your magic attribute and receive any bonus dices):

30 dices by one of the worlds top non-immortal-elves mages. 10 hits (when used at force 10), 7-9 after non-antimagic spell resistance. The powerful (but not worldclass) mage would be in the 5-6 damage area. Compared to 16k grenades, 8k pistols and 11k rifles?

What exactly is the point of of direct combat spells now? Why do they even exist? What´s the selling point? Complete silence?

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- apple   SR5 magic   Jun 17 2013, 10:28 PM
- - Epicedion   QUOTE (apple @ Jun 17 2013, 05:28 PM) htt...   Jun 17 2013, 10:39 PM
|- - apple   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 17 2013, 05:39 PM)...   Jun 17 2013, 10:43 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (apple @ Jun 17 2013, 05:43 PM) Yes...   Jun 17 2013, 10:55 PM
||- - apple   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 17 2013, 05:55 PM)...   Jun 17 2013, 10:59 PM
||- - Epicedion   QUOTE (apple @ Jun 17 2013, 05:59 PM) Wha...   Jun 17 2013, 11:12 PM
|- - cryptoknight   QUOTE (apple @ Jun 17 2013, 04:43 PM) Yes...   Jun 21 2013, 03:53 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Jun 21 2013, 09:53 ...   Jun 21 2013, 04:36 PM
- - Bigity   Ugh. I agree they needed some toning down, but th...   Jun 17 2013, 10:47 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 17 2013, 05:47 PM) Ug...   Jun 17 2013, 11:09 PM
- - Moirdryd   Sometimes it's better to just use a gun. It wa...   Jun 17 2013, 10:49 PM
- - apple   Yes, that´s all ok and such ... but we are talking...   Jun 17 2013, 10:54 PM
- - Moirdryd   Good question, well posed, looking forwards to an ...   Jun 17 2013, 10:56 PM
- - tasti man LH   I'd assume that Direct spells still have the l...   Jun 17 2013, 11:14 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (tasti man LH @ Jun 17 2013, 06:14 ...   Jun 17 2013, 11:22 PM
||- - Not of this World   How are Traditions different from SR4?   Jun 18 2013, 01:22 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (tasti man LH @ Jun 18 2013, 01:14 ...   Jun 18 2013, 08:44 AM
- - apple   But then again Joe Wageslave has a Pistol (8+1 bas...   Jun 17 2013, 11:20 PM
- - tasti man LH   They haven't said anything explicit yet, but t...   Jun 18 2013, 02:18 AM
|- - Bigity   QUOTE (tasti man LH @ Jun 17 2013, 09:18 ...   Jun 18 2013, 03:40 AM
|- - Not of this World   QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 17 2013, 08:40 PM) Yo...   Jun 18 2013, 04:33 AM
- - Shinobi Killfist   Yeah I did the math on this a while back and 1 net...   Jun 18 2013, 02:28 AM
- - Aaron   It's easier to cast at higher Force (yes, if y...   Jun 18 2013, 02:56 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Aaron @ Jun 17 2013, 09:56 PM) It...   Jun 18 2013, 03:34 AM
- - Epicedion   I guardedly enthusiastic about the spellcasting ru...   Jun 18 2013, 03:58 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 17 2013, 10:58 PM)...   Jun 18 2013, 04:29 AM
- - Makki   4 damage unsoakable is fine compared to 12 damage ...   Jun 18 2013, 05:02 AM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Makki @ Jun 18 2013, 01:02 AM) 4 d...   Jun 18 2013, 05:14 AM
||- - DWC   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 18 2013, 12:14 AM)...   Jun 18 2013, 01:58 PM
||- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (DWC @ Jun 18 2013, 08:58 AM) One s...   Jun 19 2013, 03:12 AM
||- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jun 18 2013, 10...   Jun 19 2013, 04:42 AM
||- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 18 2013, 11:42 PM)...   Jun 19 2013, 04:46 AM
||- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jun 18 2013, 11...   Jun 19 2013, 05:03 AM
||- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 19 2013, 12:03 AM)...   Jun 19 2013, 05:09 AM
||- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jun 19 2013, 01...   Jun 19 2013, 05:27 AM
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||- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jun 19 2013, 01...   Jun 19 2013, 06:24 AM
||- - apple   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 19 2013, 01:24 AM)...   Jun 19 2013, 10:51 AM
|||- - Epicedion   QUOTE (apple @ Jun 19 2013, 06:51 AM) And...   Jun 19 2013, 04:42 PM
|||- - Starmage21   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 19 2013, 11:42 AM)...   Jun 19 2013, 08:52 PM
|||- - Seerow   QUOTE (Starmage21 @ Jun 19 2013, 08:52 PM...   Jun 19 2013, 09:02 PM
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|||||- - Bull   QUOTE (sk8bcn @ Jun 20 2013, 04:40 AM) Wo...   Jun 20 2013, 04:24 PM
||||- - apple   QUOTE (Seerow @ Jun 19 2013, 04:02 PM) To...   Jun 19 2013, 11:05 PM
|||- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Starmage21 @ Jun 19 2013, 04:52 PM...   Jun 19 2013, 09:24 PM
|||- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Starmage21 @ Jun 19 2013, 04:52 PM...   Jun 19 2013, 09:44 PM
||- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Jun 19 2013, 01:24 AM)...   Jun 19 2013, 01:56 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Makki @ Jun 18 2013, 01:02 AM) 4 d...   Jun 18 2013, 05:30 AM
- - j2klbs   I've thought of a few points that have not bee...   Jun 18 2013, 07:06 AM
- - j2klbs   Ooops. Math is wrong. If target of indirect spel...   Jun 18 2013, 07:13 AM
- - CrystalBlue   I don't know about most people here that are c...   Jun 18 2013, 12:22 PM
- - Bigity   Slightly better. Slight. It should be much, mu...   Jun 19 2013, 07:38 AM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 19 2013, 03:38 AM) Sl...   Jun 19 2013, 08:09 AM
|- - Cochise   QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 19 2013, 09:38 AM) Ot...   Jun 19 2013, 08:16 AM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Cochise @ Jun 19 2013, 04:16 AM) ~...   Jun 19 2013, 08:18 AM
- - Epicedion   I would say that the damage potential for direct c...   Jun 19 2013, 08:38 AM
- - tasti man LH   Also remember that Increase Attribute and Decrease...   Jun 19 2013, 04:31 PM
- - apple   No, that it should have a place in the universe. A...   Jun 19 2013, 04:44 PM
- - Jizmack   Maybe the point of this reduction in combat spell ...   Jun 19 2013, 11:21 PM
- - Bigity   That would be just as lame, frankly.   Jun 19 2013, 11:29 PM
|- - Kyrel   QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 20 2013, 01:29 AM) Th...   Jun 20 2013, 04:44 PM
|- - Starmage21   QUOTE (Kyrel @ Jun 20 2013, 11:44 AM) Tha...   Jun 20 2013, 05:35 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Starmage21 @ Jun 20 2013, 10:35 AM...   Jun 20 2013, 05:55 PM
|- - Bigity   QUOTE (Kyrel @ Jun 20 2013, 10:44 AM) Tha...   Jun 21 2013, 03:35 AM
|- - Kyrel   QUOTE (Bigity @ Jun 21 2013, 05:35 AM) SR...   Jun 21 2013, 10:09 AM
- - Shinobi Killfist   I think one of the intents was to make it so peopl...   Jun 19 2013, 11:40 PM
- - KarmaInferno   I dunno, my mage was powerbolting plenty of NPCs i...   Jun 19 2013, 11:53 PM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Jun 19 2013, 07:53 ...   Jun 20 2013, 12:31 AM
- - Shinobi Killfist   Well, I can see it 6 magic+6 spell casting hell ma...   Jun 20 2013, 12:38 AM
|- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Jun 19 2013, 08...   Jun 20 2013, 03:23 AM
- - tasti man LH   Hmm, so reagents now have more uses besides enchan...   Jun 20 2013, 03:41 AM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (tasti man LH @ Jun 19 2013, 10:41 ...   Jun 20 2013, 06:49 AM
- - DMiller   Just a quick note to keep in mind... The term ...   Jun 20 2013, 08:14 AM
- - Epicedion   If you're looking to house-rule something that...   Jun 20 2013, 05:26 PM
- - cryptoknight   Did folks forget Accuracy on the pistols in all th...   Jun 21 2013, 04:14 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Jun 21 2013, 06:14 ...   Jun 21 2013, 04:59 PM
|- - cryptoknight   QUOTE (Mäx @ Jun 21 2013, 10:59 AM) Smart...   Jun 21 2013, 06:15 PM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Jun 21 2013, 11:15 ...   Jun 21 2013, 08:25 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (cryptoknight @ Jun 21 2013, 02:15 ...   Jun 22 2013, 01:14 AM
- - Werewindlefr   So, I wrote a small python program that would comp...   Jun 24 2013, 06:11 PM
|- - Seerow   QUOTE (Werewindlefr @ Jun 24 2013, 06:11 ...   Jun 24 2013, 06:19 PM
- - Epicedion   Also consider that we're not entirely sure on ...   Jun 24 2013, 06:32 PM
- - Werewindlefr   I didn't take elemental effects into account, ...   Jun 24 2013, 06:54 PM
|- - Seerow   QUOTE (Werewindlefr @ Jun 24 2013, 06:54 ...   Jun 24 2013, 07:22 PM
|- - Werewindlefr   QUOTE (Seerow @ Jun 24 2013, 03:22 PM) I...   Jun 24 2013, 07:43 PM
|- - Daedelus   QUOTE (Werewindlefr @ Jun 24 2013, 11:43 ...   Jun 24 2013, 07:46 PM
|- - Werewindlefr   QUOTE (Daedelus @ Jun 24 2013, 03:46 PM) ...   Jun 24 2013, 07:52 PM
- - Daedelus   If the damage output of a mage is slightly less th...   Jun 24 2013, 07:31 PM
- - tasti man LH   I think it's more like people are upset that t...   Jun 24 2013, 07:33 PM
|- - Daedelus   QUOTE (tasti man LH @ Jun 24 2013, 11:33 ...   Jun 24 2013, 07:39 PM
- - Shemhazai   I think my next magician build is going to special...   Jun 24 2013, 08:08 PM
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