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Nawara
post Aug 27 2013, 03:34 AM
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Hi there, long time lurker first time poster and all that. Forgive me if this is a stupid question.

My character concept (Former Corporate Johnson/Social Adept) more or less requires a Corporate SIN. But as a relative newcomer to Shadowrun, I'm trying to figure out what exactly makes a Corporate SIN so terrible (-25 points). A National SIN (-5) or a Criminal SIN (-10) seem to carry more drawbacks in a lot of ways, since all the megacorps and governments have access to your biometrics and such if you get arrested. With a Corporate SIN, there's only one megacorp out there that does. It seems like the smart choice would be to just avoid doing runs against that one mega.

Sure, the book says that there's strong, violent prejudice against people who are known to have Corporate SINs, and nobody ever really trusts them, but...

1.) There's strong, violent prejudice against half the character types in the book. So it's not that unique.

2.) What smart runner ever really trusts anybody?

3.) How is anyone on the street ever going to know you have one if you just turn it off and broadcast a high-quality Fake SIN instead? It's not like your biometrics are on file in a readily accessible place.

4.) The biggest downside, really, seems to be that you're a walking extraction target if a random crew figures out who you are and decides you have secrets. But, hell, that seems fairly mild in comparison to other drawbacks that give fewer Karma back. It's not like being a Shadowrunner is that safe of a profession, anyway. And if anything, it's cool plot fuel for when the GM gets bored.

The obvious answer is that it is a really terrible, terrible thing, but I just don't get why yet because I don't really get the setting. So explain it to me. Tell me about all the horrible things that a GM is going to do to me if/when I take Corporate SIN. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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P.S. While I'm at it, what skills are required/recommended for a former Corporate Mr. Johnson now working as a Face? I was thinking about having him be a former associate counsel for one of the megacorps' internal security divisions, so I was going to max out Law, Corporate Security, Shadowrun Techniques, a second language (not sure which), Con, Etiquette, Negotiation, Perception, Intimidation, and Computer. Adept-wise, I was thinking about Astral Perception, Enhanced Perception, Kinesics, Spell Resistance, and Voice Control. Anything I should be sure to add, whether at high or low levels? Also, which corp would make for a good former employer? And should I consider taking the one-point Essence/Magic hit to get some augmentations like Tailored Pheromones or something combat-oriented?

Thanks!
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- Nawara   Why is a Corporate SIN such a bad thing, anyway?   Aug 27 2013, 03:34 AM
- - SpellBinder   1: Maybe, but some places are worse than others, ...   Aug 27 2013, 03:43 AM
- - Dolanar   Having a corporate SIN on this level means you wer...   Aug 27 2013, 03:51 AM
- - kerbarian   I don't understand why the karma is so high fo...   Aug 27 2013, 04:00 AM
- - Goonshine   Two points: One, reread what SpellBinder had to ...   Aug 27 2013, 05:59 AM
- - Medicineman   I guess the Devs from CGL wanted ....to "stee...   Aug 27 2013, 06:01 AM
- - Smash   Doesn't a corporate SIN imply that you STILL w...   Aug 27 2013, 06:50 AM
|- - Medicineman   QUOTE (Smash @ Aug 27 2013, 02:50 AM) Doe...   Aug 27 2013, 09:12 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Smash @ Aug 27 2013, 06:50 AM) Doe...   Aug 27 2013, 09:58 AM
|- - Jack VII   QUOTE (Sengir @ Aug 27 2013, 04:58 AM) No...   Aug 27 2013, 12:29 PM
- - Critias   I won't talk about the qualities directly sinc...   Aug 27 2013, 07:10 AM
- - Veggiesama   Corporate SINs suck because of taxes. That said, I...   Aug 27 2013, 07:36 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Veggiesama @ Aug 27 2013, 12:36 AM...   Aug 27 2013, 07:38 AM
- - FuelDrop   Never mess with the tax office . They are badass.   Aug 27 2013, 10:11 AM
- - nezumi   Because if you have a NUMBER you're part of th...   Aug 27 2013, 01:29 PM
- - Moirdryd   You're a born, bred and life'd Corper with...   Aug 27 2013, 10:06 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Aug 27 2013, 11:06 PM) ...   Aug 27 2013, 10:51 PM
- - Sendaz   I think the reason some folk would feel that a Cor...   Aug 27 2013, 10:28 PM
- - Daddy's Little Ninja   It does not mean you ARE still working for the cor...   Aug 29 2013, 02:40 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja @ Aug 29 2013...   Aug 29 2013, 09:29 PM
- - Moirdryd   The excorp types with That kind of SIN since first...   Aug 30 2013, 12:21 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Aug 30 2013, 01:21 AM) ...   Aug 31 2013, 02:42 PM
- - Moirdryd   Also, when your Fake SIN fails (and burns) I think...   Aug 30 2013, 12:35 AM
- - Voran   For the 25 one, the premise appears that you were ...   Aug 30 2013, 08:13 AM
|- - Nawara   QUOTE (Voran @ Aug 30 2013, 03:13 AM) For...   Aug 30 2013, 06:31 PM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Nawara @ Aug 31 2013, 02:31 AM) I ...   Aug 30 2013, 11:56 PM
- - Angelone   My big thing with the 25 point one is that you are...   Aug 31 2013, 03:13 PM
- - Maelwys   I have to admit, I don't really see the big de...   Aug 31 2013, 07:49 PM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Maelwys @ Aug 31 2013, 12:49 PM) T...   Sep 1 2013, 03:04 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (RHat @ Sep 1 2013, 03:04 AM) You m...   Sep 1 2013, 02:30 PM
- - Rooks   Think the flaw is meant to be more of a fish out o...   Aug 31 2013, 08:21 PM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Rooks @ Aug 31 2013, 04:21 PM) Thi...   Aug 31 2013, 08:57 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Rooks @ Aug 31 2013, 08:21 PM) Thi...   Aug 31 2013, 11:37 PM
- - Voran   In terms of the flaw, it gives you 25 more points ...   Sep 1 2013, 12:50 AM
- - Maelwys   Sure, if they can trace it to you, then you can ge...   Sep 1 2013, 09:45 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Maelwys @ Sep 1 2013, 02:45 AM) Bu...   Sep 1 2013, 09:52 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (RHat @ Sep 1 2013, 03:52 AM) And w...   Sep 1 2013, 04:14 PM
||- - DMiller   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 2 2013, 01...   Sep 4 2013, 02:52 AM
|- - Maelwys   QUOTE (RHat @ Sep 1 2013, 04:52 AM) And w...   Sep 1 2013, 07:30 PM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Sengir @ Sep 1 2013, 07:30 AM) ......   Sep 3 2013, 07:40 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (RHat @ Sep 3 2013, 07:40 AM) ... ...   Sep 3 2013, 10:31 AM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sengir @ Sep 3 2013, 03:31 AM) Nop...   Sep 3 2013, 01:09 PM
||- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (Sengir @ Sep 3 2013, 04:31 AM) 1.)...   Sep 4 2013, 01:27 AM
|||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Sep 3 2013, 07:27 PM...   Sep 4 2013, 01:30 PM
|||- - Sengir   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Sep 4 2013, 01:27 AM...   Sep 4 2013, 08:56 PM
||- - RHat   QUOTE (Sengir @ Sep 3 2013, 03:31 AM) 1.)...   Sep 4 2013, 05:55 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (RHat @ Sep 3 2013, 12:40 AM) Then ...   Sep 3 2013, 01:08 PM
- - Sendaz   Ironically Torrio also got picked up for tax evasi...   Sep 1 2013, 02:48 PM
- - FuelDrop   I believe that the US IRS has a tick box on your t...   Sep 1 2013, 03:51 PM
- - Sendaz   Heh, not quite that bad yet. However in Minnesota...   Sep 1 2013, 04:02 PM
|- - Iduno   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Sep 1 2013, 11:02 AM) Heh...   Sep 2 2013, 02:55 AM
- - Angelone   I actually do it that way too. It kinda threw me o...   Sep 1 2013, 06:34 PM
- - Shemhazai   Why are the SINs "layered" quality? To m...   Sep 1 2013, 11:00 PM
- - Falconer   Hmm... a lot of these character concepts shouldn...   Sep 3 2013, 02:08 AM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 3 2013, 10:08 AM) H...   Sep 3 2013, 02:48 AM
- - Falconer   Pretty much it TJ.... That's why I don't ...   Sep 4 2013, 12:02 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 3 2013, 05:02 PM) P...   Sep 4 2013, 12:22 AM
- - Jack VII   I still think the Limited Corp SIN is even more we...   Sep 4 2013, 12:42 AM
- - Falconer   It's actually kind of funny... my last mission...   Sep 4 2013, 02:57 AM
- - SpellBinder   Thought certified was the only kind of credstick y...   Sep 4 2013, 04:12 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Sep 4 2013, 10:12 AM...   Sep 4 2013, 04:27 PM
- - SpellBinder   I know that, but what I'm trying to say is why...   Sep 4 2013, 04:33 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Sep 4 2013, 10:33 AM...   Sep 4 2013, 05:05 PM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 4 2013, 10...   Sep 4 2013, 10:02 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (RHat @ Sep 4 2013, 03:02 PM) Today...   Sep 5 2013, 12:33 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 4 2013, 05...   Sep 5 2013, 12:35 AM
- - Daedelus   Id like to defend Bull's ruling by stating he ...   Sep 4 2013, 04:42 PM
- - SpellBinder   Maybe if you're in a feral city like Chicago. ...   Sep 4 2013, 05:12 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Sep 4 2013, 11:12 AM...   Sep 4 2013, 05:14 PM
- - Slacker   I just thought of an alternate explanation of the ...   Sep 4 2013, 08:05 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Slacker @ Sep 4 2013, 02:05 PM) I ...   Sep 4 2013, 08:53 PM
- - Voran   Presumably its gotten to the point that if you...   Sep 4 2013, 08:15 PM
|- - Angelone   QUOTE (Voran @ Sep 4 2013, 03:15 PM) Pres...   Sep 4 2013, 11:53 PM
- - SpellBinder   1: Unwired, pages 20 & 93; Spy Games, page 16...   Sep 4 2013, 09:48 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Sep 4 2013, 10:48 PM...   Sep 5 2013, 04:26 PM
- - FuelDrop   I have actually houseruled that ALL taxes are incl...   Sep 4 2013, 10:04 PM
- - Critias   Guys, it's not "Bull's" stance. ...   Sep 5 2013, 12:05 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Critias @ Sep 4 2013, 05:05 PM) Gu...   Sep 5 2013, 12:34 AM
- - Sendaz   You will probably still see some banks offering a ...   Sep 5 2013, 12:39 AM
|- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Sep 4 2013, 06:39 PM) You...   Sep 5 2013, 01:33 AM
- - Shemhazai   How about money transferred to a credstick gets ta...   Sep 5 2013, 01:46 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Shemhazai @ Sep 4 2013, 06:46 PM) ...   Sep 5 2013, 02:17 PM
|- - Shemhazai   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 5 2013, 10...   Sep 5 2013, 05:52 PM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 5 2013, 08...   Sep 5 2013, 07:17 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (RHat @ Sep 5 2013, 12:17 PM) Becau...   Sep 5 2013, 07:47 PM
- - Rubic   My first complete 5e build (likely to get a bit mo...   Sep 5 2013, 03:50 AM
- - Falconer   Shem... you just don't get it. The credstick ...   Sep 5 2013, 03:58 AM
|- - Rubic   QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 4 2013, 11:58 PM) S...   Sep 5 2013, 04:41 AM
|- - Shemhazai   QUOTE (Falconer @ Sep 4 2013, 11:58 PM) T...   Sep 5 2013, 11:22 AM
- - Dolanar   I think Rubic is talking about deniable assets the...   Sep 5 2013, 05:35 AM
|- - Rubic   QUOTE (Dolanar @ Sep 5 2013, 01:35 AM) I ...   Sep 5 2013, 05:45 AM
|- - Shemhazai   QUOTE (Rubic @ Sep 5 2013, 01:45 AM) That...   Sep 5 2013, 11:23 AM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Shemhazai @ Sep 5 2013, 06:23 AM) ...   Sep 5 2013, 11:41 AM
|- - Rubic   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Sep 5 2013, 07:41 AM) Doe...   Sep 5 2013, 11:10 PM
- - Dolanar   SINless taxation would come from heavy sales taxes...   Sep 5 2013, 04:16 PM
- - Sendaz   Money: Wireless Bonus: May be spent (and taxed) ...   Sep 5 2013, 08:02 PM
- - FuelDrop   So... If I'm getting this right, having a real...   Sep 5 2013, 10:26 PM
- - SpellBinder   Maybe they do, and shadowrunners don't use one...   Sep 5 2013, 10:29 PM
- - Sendaz   I suspect because the Real SIN has an actual place...   Sep 5 2013, 10:31 PM
- - Angelone   OMG, I've been playing an elven Fiona, named F...   Sep 5 2013, 11:21 PM
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