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post Feb 4 2014, 02:56 PM
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I've finally understood what repels me so much about the modern-day Shadowrun.
It isn't the lack of editing, or the adventures built on weird presumptions about the player logic, and not even the failures in the metaplot - all of that was present aplenty before, too. The problem is moving from what made the setting unique, and it didn't by far start with the Fifth Edition, either. Look, what made Shadowrun special? SuperAIs that hold a whole corporate city-in-a-city captive, and then dish it out in the brains of their followers (literally) - gone, disappeared. Bug City, a postapocalyptic wasteland full of dangerous spirits - gone, Chicago's becoming civilized again. Imperial Japan, a nationalist country with a persuasive culture and global influence - gone, replaced with shintoist ecology games and local rebuilding. Mysterious Great Dragons that decide the fates of civilizations - gone, now every Vory broad knows the most hidden of their secrets. Metatypes as a meaningful characteristic, the power behind political movements, including creation of new nations - gone, tolerance is the dish of the day, metahatred is a fringe phenomenon, and the insular states built on the idea of one metatype superiority are moving towards instead becoming "normal", losing their uniqueness. Megacorps ready to burn the Earth for an extra nuyen of profit, ghouls with their own state where of course people aren't eaten, poverty-ridden barrens full of legal non-entities - all of that has been moved out of focus and either disappeared there altogether, or at was least sterilized and normalized there.
All in all, the setting's losing what made it itself rapidly, and it's getting nothing it return.
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- Fatum   Shadowrun as a dying setting?   Feb 4 2014, 02:56 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   You mean the setting is becoming political correct...   Feb 4 2014, 02:59 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 4 2014, 03...   Feb 4 2014, 03:04 PM
||- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 4 2014, 12:04 PM)...   Feb 4 2014, 03:18 PM
||- - sk8bcn   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 4 2014, 04...   Feb 4 2014, 05:16 PM
||- - Brazilian_Shinobi   Certain settings to become PC either have to be st...   Feb 4 2014, 05:34 PM
|- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 4 2014, 08...   Feb 5 2014, 04:47 AM
- - Chimera   I would tend to agree. Perhaps the setting needs ...   Feb 4 2014, 03:01 PM
- - Fatum   I'm not sure whether the intention was to make...   Feb 4 2014, 03:15 PM
|- - Samoth   QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 4 2014, 04:15 PM) I...   Feb 5 2014, 12:31 AM
- - Fatum   As for me, making the setting less special is maki...   Feb 4 2014, 03:23 PM
- - nezumi   It's a new edition. My bet is their clearing o...   Feb 4 2014, 05:33 PM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (nezumi @ Feb 4 2014, 09:33 PM) It...   Feb 4 2014, 09:59 PM
- - Sponge   I find the setting's appeal remains unchanged ...   Feb 4 2014, 06:45 PM
- - Abschalten   I thought the line was doing fine until the Loren ...   Feb 4 2014, 07:25 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   Ghost Cartels was indeed a very nice campaign book...   Feb 4 2014, 09:05 PM
- - RHat   I think part of the issue is that some of those el...   Feb 4 2014, 10:13 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (RHat @ Feb 4 2014, 03:13 PM) I thi...   Feb 4 2014, 11:02 PM
- - Fatum   If anything, the world changed to resemble cyberpu...   Feb 4 2014, 11:49 PM
- - Fatum   I for one see nothing wrong about magical threats....   Feb 5 2014, 01:11 AM
- - tjn   Waitwaitwait... where's all those who were com...   Feb 5 2014, 02:06 AM
|- - Sponge   QUOTE (tjn @ Feb 4 2014, 09:06 PM) gygaxi...   Feb 5 2014, 03:24 AM
- - Glyph   I don't think either the setting (powerful meg...   Feb 5 2014, 02:45 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 4 2014, 07:45 PM) Some...   Feb 5 2014, 05:31 AM
- - Curator   Its basically the truth that we need to wait till ...   Feb 5 2014, 04:16 AM
- - RHat   I gotta be honest, as far as plotlines go I spent ...   Feb 5 2014, 04:20 AM
- - Smash   In my mind the problem is not the big events but r...   Feb 5 2014, 05:55 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Smash @ Feb 4 2014, 10:55 PM) In m...   Feb 5 2014, 02:11 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Feb 5 2014, 01:47 AM)...   Feb 5 2014, 01:38 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 5 2014, 07...   Feb 5 2014, 04:05 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Neraph @ Feb 5 2014, 09:05 AM) Thi...   Feb 5 2014, 04:18 PM
|- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 5 2014, 07...   Feb 5 2014, 07:12 PM
||- - kzt   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Feb 5 2014, 12:12 PM)...   Feb 5 2014, 08:24 PM
||- - Abschalten   QUOTE (kzt @ Feb 5 2014, 03:24 PM) Frank ...   Feb 5 2014, 08:30 PM
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|||- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 5 2014, 10:51 ...   Feb 5 2014, 10:05 PM
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|||- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 5 2014, 06:30 ...   Feb 6 2014, 10:29 AM
||- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (kzt @ Feb 5 2014, 03:24 PM) The NA...   Feb 5 2014, 09:49 PM
||- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 5 2014, 05:49 ...   Feb 5 2014, 10:07 PM
|- - sk8bcn   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 5 2014, 02...   Feb 6 2014, 12:29 PM
- - Sendaz   Perhaps, but when pink Mohawk went out of style, a...   Feb 5 2014, 02:32 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Feb 5 2014, 07:32 AM) Per...   Feb 5 2014, 03:46 PM
- - Shortstraw   Please don't start a mohawk/mirror argument .   Feb 5 2014, 02:33 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Shortstraw @ Feb 5 2014, 07:33 AM)...   Feb 5 2014, 03:47 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   I'm not really sure I agree with the the origi...   Feb 5 2014, 04:39 PM
- - hermit   QUOTE Deus, for the most part, died at the end of ...   Feb 5 2014, 05:13 PM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (hermit @ Feb 5 2014, 10:13 AM) Act...   Feb 5 2014, 08:29 PM
- - RHat   Well, as long as you don't need the Immortal E...   Feb 5 2014, 08:41 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (RHat @ Feb 5 2014, 09:41 PM) Well,...   Feb 5 2014, 08:55 PM
- - Sengir   QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 4 2014, 03:56 PM) Supe...   Feb 5 2014, 09:24 PM
- - Stahlseele   No Problem. The Den is pretty acidic an environmen...   Feb 5 2014, 10:42 PM
- - Fatum   I feel you're kind of missing the point here, ...   Feb 5 2014, 10:56 PM
|- - Sponge   QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 5 2014, 05:56 PM) Putt...   Feb 5 2014, 11:03 PM
||- - Fatum   QUOTE (Sponge @ Feb 6 2014, 03:03 AM) So ...   Feb 6 2014, 12:58 AM
||- - RHat   QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 5 2014, 05:58 PM) Ther...   Feb 6 2014, 02:42 AM
||- - Sponge   QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 5 2014, 07:58 PM) So w...   Feb 6 2014, 06:18 AM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 5 2014, 02:56 PM) As t...   Feb 6 2014, 03:36 AM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 6 2014, 07:36 AM) The ...   Feb 6 2014, 03:50 PM
- - RHat   You know, thinking about it, part of your issue mi...   Feb 5 2014, 11:17 PM
- - Whipstitch   Replacing it with nothing is certainly a bad idea....   Feb 5 2014, 11:21 PM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Feb 5 2014, 04:21 PM)...   Feb 5 2014, 11:23 PM
- - kzt   Modern Japan is a very different place from Modern...   Feb 6 2014, 01:05 AM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (kzt @ Feb 6 2014, 05:05 AM) Modern...   Feb 6 2014, 03:32 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 5 2014, 08:32 PM) Real...   Feb 6 2014, 04:11 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 5 2014, 08:32 PM) I...   Feb 6 2014, 06:40 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   See, this is why I advocate for just playing 80s r...   Feb 6 2014, 03:37 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 5 2014, 08:37 ...   Feb 6 2014, 04:15 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (kzt @ Feb 6 2014, 12:15 AM) Then p...   Feb 6 2014, 05:54 AM
- - Curator   we just need to wait for more books to come out. ...   Feb 6 2014, 05:23 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Curator @ Feb 5 2014, 10:23 PM) we...   Feb 6 2014, 07:27 AM
||- - DMiller   QUOTE (kzt @ Feb 6 2014, 04:27 PM) We...   Feb 6 2014, 08:44 AM
|||- - Shortstraw   QUOTE (DMiller @ Feb 6 2014, 06:44 PM) An...   Feb 6 2014, 09:17 AM
|||- - kzt   QUOTE (DMiller @ Feb 6 2014, 01:44 AM) Tr...   Feb 6 2014, 10:43 PM
||- - RHat   QUOTE (kzt @ Feb 6 2014, 12:27 AM) We...   Feb 6 2014, 10:52 PM
|- - Rasumichin   QUOTE (Curator @ Feb 6 2014, 06:23 AM) we...   Feb 8 2014, 05:49 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Rasumichin @ Feb 8 2014, 11:49 AM)...   Feb 10 2014, 03:23 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 5 2014, 07:32 PM) I...   Feb 6 2014, 08:41 AM
|- - Sponge   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 6 2014, 03:41 AM) That...   Feb 6 2014, 01:57 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Sponge @ Feb 6 2014, 05:57 AM) Wha...   Feb 7 2014, 02:21 AM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   Well, some of the poorest or or failing Native-Ame...   Feb 6 2014, 01:58 PM
|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 6 2014, 08...   Feb 6 2014, 02:45 PM
- - sk8bcn   I'd add to that: I'm able to create my own...   Feb 7 2014, 10:31 AM
- - Glyph   I prefer setting books to metaplot books. Setting...   Feb 8 2014, 11:07 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 8 2014, 03:07 PM) I pr...   Feb 9 2014, 08:57 AM
||- - Nath   QUOTE (Cain @ Feb 9 2014, 09:57 AM) We...   Feb 9 2014, 09:32 PM
|- - sk8bcn   QUOTE (Glyph @ Feb 9 2014, 12:07 AM) I pr...   Feb 10 2014, 10:49 AM
- - Fatum   There are a few large events that are pretty air-t...   Feb 9 2014, 09:14 AM
- - sk8bcn   Tough back then, they had a long term plan with wh...   Feb 10 2014, 04:14 PM
- - Not of this World   Sum it up as setting reboots are generally a bad i...   Feb 11 2014, 05:24 AM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Not of this World @ Feb 11 2014, 01...   Feb 11 2014, 08:00 AM
|- - Fatum   QUOTE (Not of this World @ Feb 11 2014, 09...   Feb 11 2014, 11:39 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Not of this World @ Feb 10 2014, 11...   Feb 11 2014, 03:33 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Neraph @ Feb 11 2014, 08:33 AM) I ...   Feb 11 2014, 03:41 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Neraph @ Feb 11 2014, 08:33 AM) I ...   Feb 11 2014, 06:16 PM
- - Kuma   I find it very interesting that people are talking...   Feb 11 2014, 08:20 AM
- - Blade   Shadowrun has a long history, and it started in th...   Feb 11 2014, 11:05 AM
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