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FuelDrop
post Mar 10 2014, 01:09 AM
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We've run into a bit of a problem in our game.

Useless characters.

Now I want to be clear, I have no problem with minmaxing. I have no problem with character specialization. I have no problem with building around a theme.

However, when you minmax around the most useless weapon you can find (EG the combat knife) plus stealth, then expect to be able to take on armies? That doesn't work, and even if it doesn't get everyone else killed it leaves you hopelessly gimped outside of situations where slitting throats is the answer. It leaves you with no less lethal option for, say, taking down a civilian who's just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Even with a couple of dots in the Firearms group you're unlikely to be better than "above average" at any range outside of arms reach.

Similarly, I have a problem with people who minmax badly. Himori, our group gunbunny, is outclassed in most guns by the knife guy above. Both of these characters are combat specialists who are either really mediocre at their jobs or else are good at a near-useless job.

In fact, with the exception of the combat characters' initiative enhancers the Face and B&E expert outclass them in a fight both offensively (even with the shotgun the face only just learned to use) and defensively (B&E has better dodge, Face has better soak). In both cases the characters also shine in their designated roles.

Now our GM has decided that he's sick of pampering these special snowflake characters (I don't blame him) and wants to force them to become effective through using circumstances to encourage them to spend their karma well and improve, you know, useful skills.

I'm asking if anyone can suggest scenarios that make sense in-game which force such adaption without allowing the characters to get through by relying on the better rounded characters to get them through in their own specialty. I don't need stuff to force them to branch out, just to encourage them to stop being crap at what their specialty is or to specialize in something that isn't almost completely worthless.

I will say one thing for the group: They have universally good stealth (Except for whichever troll we've got that week, but that's understandable as one's a rigger and the other is too big to go through most doors). Lowest stealth DP with chameleon suit on is 15 and limit 7 on Hollywood (the face).

Please provide suggestions to help these players grow their characters.

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- FuelDrop   Unnatural selection   Mar 10 2014, 01:09 AM
- - psychophipps   The knife guy just needs Thrown Weapons skill and ...   Mar 10 2014, 01:26 AM
- - FuelDrop   so how do we encourage that without outright telli...   Mar 10 2014, 01:53 AM
- - psychophipps   Ummm...I'm a pretty blunt kind of person. I...   Mar 10 2014, 01:59 AM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Mar 10 2014, 09:59 ...   Mar 10 2014, 02:22 AM
|- - thorya   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Mar 9 2014, 09:22 PM) W...   Mar 10 2014, 03:32 AM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (thorya @ Mar 10 2014, 11:32 AM) It...   Mar 10 2014, 03:46 AM
- - Lobo0705   You might also want to consider telling them in ch...   Mar 10 2014, 02:19 AM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Mar 10 2014, 10:19 AM) ...   Mar 10 2014, 02:24 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Mar 9 2014, 09:24 PM) T...   Mar 10 2014, 02:33 AM
- - Moirdryd   I'm curious... What's Zero like if he...   Mar 10 2014, 02:48 AM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Mar 10 2014, 10:48 AM) ...   Mar 10 2014, 03:04 AM
- - FuelDrop   Here's how I'm currently thinking they may...   Mar 10 2014, 02:56 AM
- - Moirdryd   Well, for 19 karma she can get either long arms or...   Mar 10 2014, 03:11 AM
- - FuelDrop   Actually the only thing that the two combat charac...   Mar 10 2014, 03:16 AM
- - Moirdryd   Well... Sadly with that load out (Near max Agl and...   Mar 10 2014, 03:19 AM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Mar 10 2014, 11:19 AM) ...   Mar 10 2014, 03:29 AM
- - Lobo0705   How is Zero NOT the combat monkey?   Mar 10 2014, 03:21 AM
- - Lobo0705   Fueldrop, To be honest, after hearing your explan...   Mar 10 2014, 04:17 AM
|- - tjn   QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Mar 9 2014, 11:17 PM) 1...   Mar 10 2014, 08:50 AM
||- - Lobo0705   QUOTE (tjn @ Mar 10 2014, 03:50 AM) That...   Mar 10 2014, 11:47 AM
||- - DMiller   QUOTE (tjn @ Mar 10 2014, 05:50 PM) That...   Mar 11 2014, 02:11 AM
|- - Shortstraw   QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Mar 10 2014, 02:17 PM) ...   Mar 10 2014, 10:08 AM
|- - Brazilian_Shinobi   QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Mar 10 2014, 01:17 AM) ...   Mar 10 2014, 01:33 PM
- - FuelDrop   Yeah, our GM has kind of put himself in a corner. ...   Mar 10 2014, 04:45 AM
- - FuelDrop   One final thing: you may have noticed that I menti...   Mar 10 2014, 04:55 AM
- - Shortstraw   Are you still allowed adepts or is it mundanes onl...   Mar 10 2014, 05:48 AM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Shortstraw @ Mar 10 2014, 01:48 PM...   Mar 10 2014, 05:55 AM
|- - DMiller   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Mar 10 2014, 02:55 PM) ...   Mar 10 2014, 07:28 AM
- - FuelDrop   Good news, everyone! I just spoke to our GM an...   Mar 10 2014, 08:17 AM
|- - Lobo0705   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Mar 10 2014, 03:17 AM) ...   Mar 10 2014, 11:56 AM
- - Jaid   for persuading them to consider less lethal weapon...   Mar 10 2014, 08:48 AM
|- - nylanfs   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 10 2014, 03:48 AM) for ...   Mar 10 2014, 01:16 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE Something I did for my group after we starte...   Mar 11 2014, 03:15 AM
- - Umidori   FuelDrop, the two characters you described should ...   Mar 11 2014, 03:44 AM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 11 2014, 11:44 AM) F...   Mar 11 2014, 04:05 AM
|- - Jack VII   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Mar 10 2014, 11:05 PM) ...   Mar 19 2014, 07:27 PM
- - Angelone   So, how'd it go? Do they have a better grip on...   Mar 19 2014, 06:09 PM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Angelone @ Mar 20 2014, 02:09 AM) ...   Mar 19 2014, 10:37 PM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Mar 19 2014, 04:37 PM) ...   Mar 20 2014, 02:25 AM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 20 2014, 10:25 AM) L...   Mar 20 2014, 02:28 AM
- - Happy Trees   Somebody asked how to persuade a character to buil...   Mar 19 2014, 11:09 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Happy Trees @ Mar 19 2014, 04:09 P...   Mar 20 2014, 05:12 AM
|- - Happy Trees   QUOTE (kzt @ Mar 19 2014, 11:12 PM) Grena...   Mar 20 2014, 10:19 PM
- - Happy Trees   .   Mar 20 2014, 03:03 AM


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