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post Mar 11 2014, 02:28 PM
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Hi everyone, it has been awhile. I just recently flipped through the 5th edition core book and ordered it online for a potential game in the next month or two. I have a few questions regarding hackers.

1.) There is a sample battle in the 5th edition rulebook where a decker disables a gun of his attacker. This seems really powerful to me. For the intiative of this particular action (disabling cyberware, weapons, or another device), would the hacker act on their matrix initiative or on their regular initiative?

2.) Hackers in 4th edition seemed much more powerful then Technomancers in 4th and 4thA, at least at character creation with the Technomancer having the potential to catch up as they earned more karma. The matrix secton of the book is something I might not be able to look into the end of the month, so does this hold true in 5th edition? How are Technomancers able to hold up compared to a Decker.

Your help is appreciated.

Cheers!
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- SincereAgape   Hackers in 5th Edition   Mar 11 2014, 02:28 PM
- - Kyrinthic   QUOTE (SincereAgape @ Mar 11 2014, 10:28 ...   Mar 11 2014, 02:57 PM
- - Lobo0705   QUOTE (SincereAgape @ Mar 11 2014, 10:28 ...   Mar 11 2014, 03:12 PM
|- - SincereAgape   QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Mar 11 2014, 10:12 AM) ...   Mar 11 2014, 06:34 PM
|- - Lobo0705   QUOTE (SincereAgape @ Mar 11 2014, 01:34 ...   Mar 11 2014, 06:40 PM
|- - SincereAgape   QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Mar 11 2014, 01:40 PM) ...   Mar 11 2014, 06:46 PM
|- - Lobo0705   QUOTE (SincereAgape @ Mar 11 2014, 01:46 ...   Mar 11 2014, 07:07 PM
|- - SincereAgape   QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Mar 11 2014, 03:07 PM) ...   Mar 11 2014, 07:15 PM
- - FuelDrop   Did the math on technomancers in 5th and AT BEST y...   Mar 11 2014, 09:46 PM
- - Moirdryd   Ran up my first proper SR5 game tonight, instead o...   Mar 11 2014, 10:11 PM
- - RHat   The simplest rundown of the balance: As a decker,...   Mar 11 2014, 10:47 PM
- - SpellBinder   Reminded me of the time I tried making a decker an...   Mar 11 2014, 11:23 PM
- - RHat   QUOTE (SincereAgape @ Mar 11 2014, 08:28 ...   Mar 11 2014, 11:37 PM
- - Moirdryd   None at all RHat, I think he would have taken one ...   Mar 11 2014, 11:40 PM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Mar 11 2014, 05:40 PM) ...   Mar 11 2014, 11:44 PM
- - Jack VII   @Moirdryd: That sounds pretty cool. Although, what...   Mar 11 2014, 11:50 PM
- - Moirdryd   Well, running at the fading values being 2pts lowe...   Mar 11 2014, 11:55 PM
- - Moirdryd   It's a sustained CF Jack, so I test each devic...   Mar 11 2014, 11:57 PM
|- - Jack VII   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Mar 11 2014, 06:57 PM) ...   Mar 12 2014, 12:04 AM
- - Moirdryd   True. But Threading is systemically identical to S...   Mar 12 2014, 12:22 AM
|- - Jack VII   QUOTE (Moirdryd @ Mar 11 2014, 06:22 PM) ...   Mar 12 2014, 12:30 AM
- - Sendaz   While it is sustained, it seems like this is a sin...   Mar 12 2014, 12:49 AM
- - Moirdryd   Nope, I don't. I was working more with the Con...   Mar 12 2014, 12:55 AM
- - RHat   Actually, it would be interesting if Resonance Vei...   Mar 12 2014, 01:05 AM
- - Jaid   it is worth noting that in the case where the tech...   Mar 12 2014, 05:18 PM
- - Moirdryd   Well, this is the first time out using a TM with m...   Mar 12 2014, 09:51 PM
- - SpellBinder   Sounds like you all skipped SR4 entirely. A word ...   Mar 13 2014, 05:42 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Mar 13 2014, 12:42 A...   Mar 14 2014, 01:49 AM
||- - DMiller   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Mar 14 2014, 10...   Mar 14 2014, 02:07 AM
||- - Jaid   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Mar 13 2014, 09...   Mar 14 2014, 03:35 AM
||- - RHat   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 13 2014, 09:35 PM) afte...   Mar 14 2014, 03:41 AM
||- - Jaid   QUOTE (RHat @ Mar 13 2014, 10:41 PM) Howe...   Mar 14 2014, 04:49 AM
||- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 13 2014, 10:49 PM) ... ...   Mar 14 2014, 05:13 AM
|- - Smash   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Mar 13 2014, 04:42 P...   Mar 18 2014, 01:33 AM
- - Shinobi Killfist   But they are actually fairly solid hackers. So th...   Mar 14 2014, 05:17 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Mar 13 2014, 11...   Mar 14 2014, 05:53 AM
||- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (RHat @ Mar 14 2014, 12:53 AM) The ...   Mar 14 2014, 06:22 AM
|||- - RHat   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Mar 14 2014, 12...   Mar 14 2014, 10:00 AM
||- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (RHat @ Mar 13 2014, 11:53 PM) The ...   Mar 14 2014, 06:29 AM
||- - Kyrinthic   QUOTE (RHat @ Mar 14 2014, 01:53 AM) The ...   Mar 17 2014, 04:15 PM
|- - tjn   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Mar 14 2014, 01...   Mar 14 2014, 06:25 AM
- - FuelDrop   What options for dealing non matrix damage in matr...   Mar 14 2014, 06:49 AM
- - SpellBinder   Deal enough matrix damage to dumpshock the decker....   Mar 14 2014, 06:54 AM
- - FuelDrop   I'll go you one better and say that adepts (AK...   Mar 14 2014, 10:09 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Mar 14 2014, 04:09 AM) ...   Mar 14 2014, 10:51 AM
- - Jaid   yeah, 1 point of essence in augmentations is a ver...   Mar 14 2014, 05:51 PM
- - Jaid   so wait, you're saying that a technomancer, wi...   Mar 17 2014, 05:36 PM
|- - Kyrinthic   It depends, if that hacker wants to buy the top de...   Mar 17 2014, 08:13 PM
- - Jaid   the higher device rating on a technomancer is good...   Mar 17 2014, 11:06 PM
|- - Kyrinthic   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 17 2014, 06:06 PM) less...   Mar 18 2014, 02:06 AM
||- - RHat   QUOTE (Kyrinthic @ Mar 17 2014, 08:06 PM)...   Mar 18 2014, 02:40 AM
||- - Jaid   QUOTE (Kyrinthic @ Mar 17 2014, 10:06 PM)...   Mar 18 2014, 04:53 AM
|||- - Kyrinthic   I am not talking about magic deckers because if I ...   Mar 18 2014, 01:42 PM
|||- - Jack VII   QUOTE (Kyrinthic @ Mar 18 2014, 08:42 AM)...   Mar 18 2014, 01:54 PM
||- - Sengir   QUOTE (Kyrinthic @ Mar 18 2014, 03:06 AM)...   Mar 18 2014, 01:35 PM
|- - Kyrinthic   no idea how I double posted, sorry.   Mar 18 2014, 02:06 AM
- - FuelDrop   I think the problem here is that everyone is hung ...   Mar 18 2014, 01:23 AM
|- - Smash   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Mar 18 2014, 12:23 PM) ...   Mar 18 2014, 01:44 AM
|- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Smash @ Mar 18 2014, 09:44 AM) One...   Mar 18 2014, 03:24 AM
- - FuelDrop   I love how the Technomancer's damaging complex...   Mar 18 2014, 05:09 AM
- - Cain   I haven't tried either in SR5 yet, but in SR4....   Mar 18 2014, 07:21 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 18 2014, 01:21 AM) I ha...   Mar 18 2014, 07:38 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (RHat @ Mar 18 2014, 12:38 AM) They...   Mar 18 2014, 08:48 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 18 2014, 02:48 AM) YMMV...   Mar 18 2014, 09:02 AM
|- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 18 2014, 01:48 AM) YMMV...   Mar 18 2014, 06:52 PM
- - Moirdryd   Ivejust had a bit of an epiphany. While putting t...   Mar 18 2014, 12:45 PM
- - Jaid   except that you're going to have to hack hosts...   Mar 18 2014, 01:30 PM
- - Jaid   i don't "feel they are utterly incapable ...   Mar 18 2014, 04:09 PM
|- - Kyrinthic   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 18 2014, 11:09 AM) for ...   Mar 18 2014, 05:07 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   High School Football players and NFL Football play...   Mar 18 2014, 05:11 PM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 18 2014, 12...   Mar 18 2014, 05:16 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Mar 18 2014, 11:16 AM) In...   Mar 18 2014, 05:19 PM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 18 2014, 12...   Mar 18 2014, 05:23 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Mar 18 2014, 11:23 AM) We...   Mar 18 2014, 05:25 PM
- - Jaid   offence pools do help you not get caught, especial...   Mar 18 2014, 05:43 PM
|- - Kyrinthic   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 18 2014, 12:43 PM) (on ...   Mar 18 2014, 08:49 PM
- - Jaid   the guy with a single high attribute and skill is ...   Mar 18 2014, 10:45 PM
- - Moirdryd   Okay, I promised an update on the TM in my game wi...   Mar 19 2014, 12:09 PM
- - Jaid   and this is why you should brute force everything ...   Mar 19 2014, 03:05 PM
- - Jack VII   Not sure if I would agree with that. For a TM, unr...   Mar 19 2014, 03:14 PM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Jack VII @ Mar 19 2014, 10:14 AM) ...   Mar 19 2014, 05:21 PM
|- - Jack VII   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 19 2014, 11:21 AM) fadi...   Mar 19 2014, 05:49 PM
- - Moirdryd   It's a Host running a few blocks of Security C...   Mar 19 2014, 04:40 PM
- - Moirdryd   Of course, winning at Hack on the Fly means no one...   Mar 19 2014, 05:24 PM
- - Jaid   IC can't do anything to you until it finds you...   Mar 19 2014, 06:25 PM
|- - Jack VII   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 19 2014, 12:25 PM) IC c...   Mar 19 2014, 06:38 PM
- - Jaid   you can go ahead and use hack on the fly for direc...   Mar 19 2014, 09:36 PM
|- - Jack VII   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 19 2014, 04:36 PM) so r...   Mar 19 2014, 10:02 PM
- - Jaid   the technomancer can be healed relatively quickly....   Mar 19 2014, 11:41 PM
|- - Jack VII   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 19 2014, 05:41 PM) 11 d...   Mar 19 2014, 11:57 PM
- - DeathStrobe   This topic got me thinking about how to munchkin a...   Mar 20 2014, 12:06 AM
- - Jack VII   I don't think Natural Hardening is supposed to...   Mar 20 2014, 12:14 AM
|- - DeathStrobe   QUOTE (Jack VII @ Mar 19 2014, 05:14 PM) ...   Mar 20 2014, 12:29 AM
|- - Jack VII   QUOTE (DeathStrobe @ Mar 19 2014, 07:29 P...   Mar 20 2014, 12:31 AM
|- - DeathStrobe   QUOTE (Jack VII @ Mar 19 2014, 05:31 PM) ...   Mar 20 2014, 12:36 AM
|- - Jack VII   QUOTE (DeathStrobe @ Mar 19 2014, 06:36 P...   Mar 20 2014, 12:40 AM
- - Jaid   you should never be hacking against the host's...   Mar 20 2014, 12:21 AM
- - RHat   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 19 2014, 06:21 PM) you ...   Mar 20 2014, 12:24 AM
- - Jaid   QUOTE (RHat @ Mar 19 2014, 07:24 PM) True...   Mar 20 2014, 12:34 AM
- - RHat   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 19 2014, 06:34 PM) what...   Mar 20 2014, 12:37 AM
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