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Xystophoroi
post Mar 26 2014, 10:34 PM
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SR5 only!

I'm playing in a game (different from the new one starting soon...) as a Mystic Adept, I'm the party's only magic source and I run almost entirely as support rather than combat. Manipulation, Detection, Healing, Illusion etc.

I've been saving karma for a while mainly because I've not had anything pressing to spend it on and decided to go look at the other magic options and ended up kind of drawing a blank.

Why does a runner go off and spend time and effort learning, practicing and then putting into use Ritual Casting or Artificing? Alchemy I can see some uses for as long as the spell you want is never opposed by anything but even then couldn't I just buy more sustaining foci?

When do you ritual cast? And is it something you find yourself using frequently enough to justify expending large amount of karma on? Anchored means I defend my home...but if they've found my home then it's rather stupid to try and match my power against theirs. Watchers and Homonculi could be of use I suppose, but worth investing so heavily in when a Spirit is easily available and far more versatile? Curses and Prodigal Spells to attack people at range? I suppose...but...meh?

Artificing allows me to build Foci. Well...I can buy those. I guess if I wanted to set up shop and make profit selling them I could do that? Where's my option to bind magic into glasses or have stuff like that?

Alchemy. I can see uses here but not for anything I;d actually want to use it for. Never on a run have I found myself going 'I wish I could throw a really weak combat spell at that guy' or 'I wish I could create a physical barrier over there that's so weak it won't stop them for more than a few seconds'. I can see stat buffing but then you've go to weigh up the drain taken in advance of the run (all prepped a few hours in advance) giving penalties. Then if you rest to recover the drain you lose any sustained spells in your foci (unconscious from sleeping!) and have to recast any spells you were using as buffs in your foci (I tend to run with an Armour and Combat Sense foci).

And it's a whole load of busywork prepping that stuff to get +2 or 3 dice for a few rounds.

There's just nothing in these options that makes me go 'Yes! I want to invest my karma in that skill right there!'

At no point on a run have I found myself wishing I'd brought something alchemical along or cast a ritual in advance or whatever.

Are they the type of thing that becomes useful when more supplements come out? Are any of you using them? If so how and do you feel they are really worth your time and effort?

Maybe I'm naive but...Spellcasting and Summoning and Assensing are the only magical skills I've used in anger so far and Counterspelling I keep high just in case. I have Arcana because I find it hard to justify a Hermetic not having that skill at a meaningful level.

tl;dr

For the highly mobile, often unpredictable runner on runs why do I care about spending karma on Artificing, Alchemy and Ritual Casting?
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- Xystophoroi   Artificing, Alchemy, Ritual Casting...   Mar 26 2014, 10:34 PM
- - Jaid   alchemy mostly becomes interesting when you spend ...   Mar 26 2014, 11:36 PM
|- - Xystophoroi   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 26 2014, 11:36 PM) alch...   Mar 27 2014, 08:11 AM
- - Shinobi Killfist   artificing there is not much use for as you really...   Mar 27 2014, 02:41 AM
- - Umidori   Alchemy was a great idea, but the execution was te...   Mar 27 2014, 11:42 AM
- - Jaid   - renascence only works on manipulation spells, ci...   Mar 27 2014, 04:39 PM
- - DrZaius   I'd add that I haven't run into many GMs w...   Mar 28 2014, 12:55 AM
- - Machiavelli   The biggest problem with high-level-foci is not, t...   Mar 28 2014, 10:49 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Mar 28 2014, 03:49 A...   Mar 28 2014, 12:54 PM
- - Machiavelli   Ouch, that hurts indeed. Stories like that are the...   Mar 28 2014, 01:18 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Mar 28 2014, 06:18 A...   Mar 28 2014, 01:51 PM
- - TimTurry   Back to the original post, My beef with Artificin...   Mar 30 2014, 06:17 PM
- - Jaid   with rituals, i'm curious which spells you thi...   Mar 30 2014, 07:41 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 30 2014, 01:41 PM) with...   Mar 30 2014, 09:20 PM
- - Jaid   yes, well, it's not like mages weren't bet...   Mar 30 2014, 10:06 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 30 2014, 03:06 PM) yes,...   Mar 30 2014, 10:56 PM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 30 2014, 06...   Mar 31 2014, 12:41 AM
|- - Smash   QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 31 2014, 11:41 AM) well...   Mar 31 2014, 02:39 AM
|- - Rubic   QUOTE (Smash @ Mar 30 2014, 10:39 PM) Isn...   Apr 1 2014, 07:59 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Rubic @ Apr 1 2014, 02:59 PM) The ...   Apr 2 2014, 05:07 PM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Apr 2 2014, 01...   Apr 3 2014, 12:26 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Jaid @ Apr 2 2014, 07:26 PM) oh, i...   Apr 3 2014, 04:22 AM
|- - Rubic   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Apr 3 2014, 12...   Apr 3 2014, 05:27 AM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Rubic @ Apr 3 2014, 12:27 AM) Then...   Apr 3 2014, 06:57 AM
||- - Xystophoroi   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Apr 3 2014, 06:57 AM) Unl...   Apr 3 2014, 11:00 AM
||- - Jaid   QUOTE (Xystophoroi @ Apr 3 2014, 06:00 AM...   Apr 3 2014, 03:15 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Rubic @ Apr 3 2014, 12:27 AM) Then...   Apr 4 2014, 03:13 AM
- - TerraFirst!   I've found quite a bit of use out of ritual ma...   Apr 3 2014, 03:29 AM


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