Mar 28 2014, 03:40 PM
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A lot of arguments on this board bring up the idea that no sane non-civilian would ever have their wifi on because they might be hacked. It most frequently comes up when talking about street sams on a mission into a secure facility, but it's come up when talking about 2075 military forces, augmented sports player (combat biking and urban brawl players are certainly augmented). For the purposes of this argument, let's stick with Street Sams as part of a Runner Team on a mission.
We'll go ahead set this up a reasonable street sam that is taking precautions to protect his wireless. A good R6 commlink owned by the Hacker, a Wrapper program to conceal device types a bit, and even a box of Stealth RFID to toss out if he get worried. If I'm a Street Sam (something like the Archetype on page 112,) and I have most of my gear's wireless off, because it's a run and that's what smart people do, which is to say that's what the team's hacker told me to do. However, there is a handful of gear my street sam will want his bonus from, including Smartguns. So I slave those to a Rating 6 commlink owned by the team Decker. Let's say the decker is like the one on page 121. I also have a Wrapper program running on a tiny Bug-Drone, so all my wireless gear shows up in the matrix looks benign. Lastly, I've got a small Altoids sized tin, coated in wireless blocking paint, full of stealth RFID tags which I spread all over the place if I decide to really mess with a spider. This is a basic run, nothing too extreme or easy. We're breaking into a corp facility after hours to steal a small non-military drone prototype. The facility has decent security, including a Host system, some on-sight security guards (rating 2 NPCs, page 382), security drones, and an on-call remote spider (Rating 5 Elite Corp Security LT on page 384). Keeping in mind that radio signal scanners either spots & tracks an icon or not (they can't look for the number of hidden hidden icons or get details on icons they have spotted such as verifying their icon,) that Security Guards aren't very good at matrix actions (security guard NPCs on page 382 lack the computer skill), that the Spider isn't within 100m of the facility, and is probably in the host system not on the local grid if present at all (let's assume he is,) and that Drones do not have a persona and therefore can't take matrix actions at all, in how much danger is the street sam from being hacked? What happens when combat breaks out and security suddenly knows he's there? The most immediate question that comes to my mind is who exactly is hacking the street sam? The Spider could do it, but he'd have to leave his Host to try, and that's something the Shadowrun team's decker would love. Even if he comes out of the Host, he's not a member of GOD, even if he's a member of the same AAA corp and this is all happening on their site. Moreover, the street sam is on the local or public grid. If the Spider comes out of the host and starts hacking the street sam, he's going to start getting generating OS and might get converged on. (You really don't think a massive souless corp will let even their own people hack at will? I don't think they trust their own people that much. A spider can do what he needs in his own division's host, but I bet he's not allowed to just doing things anywhere in the matrix because he's not part of the corp's subset of GOD. Assuming the Spider does come out of his |
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BlackJaw How Dangerous is Wireless to non-Hacker Shadowrunners Mar 28 2014, 03:40 PM
Jack VII QUOTE (BlackJaw @ Mar 28 2014, 09:40 AM) ... Mar 28 2014, 04:16 PM
BlackJaw QUOTE (Jack VII @ Mar 28 2014, 11:16 AM) ... Mar 28 2014, 04:46 PM
pragma I think the real risk isn't the street sam... Mar 28 2014, 04:24 PM
binarywraith Your basic premise involves having a dedicated mem... Mar 28 2014, 04:45 PM
Lobo0705 QUOTE (binarywraith @ Mar 28 2014, 12:45 ... Mar 28 2014, 05:40 PM
BlackJaw So I am actually interested to see if the the thre... Mar 28 2014, 05:43 PM

binarywraith Edit : Double post action! Mar 28 2014, 06:11 PM

binarywraith QUOTE (BlackJaw @ Mar 28 2014, 11:43 AM) ... Mar 28 2014, 06:11 PM

Lobo0705 QUOTE (binarywraith @ Mar 28 2014, 02:11 ... Mar 28 2014, 06:23 PM

BlackJaw QUOTE (binarywraith @ Mar 28 2014, 01:11 ... Mar 28 2014, 06:24 PM
hayek Well this thread has gotten pretty off-topic with ... Mar 31 2014, 10:10 PM
Jaid QUOTE (hayek @ Mar 31 2014, 06:10 PM) Eve... Apr 1 2014, 01:11 AM
Xystophoroi It seems to me the entire thing relies solely on t... Mar 28 2014, 08:19 PM
Jack VII QUOTE (Xystophoroi @ Mar 28 2014, 02:19 P... Mar 28 2014, 08:26 PM
Jaid and then you run into problems when the security c... Mar 28 2014, 08:24 PM
Xystophoroi Question.
In prior editions was there this level ... Mar 28 2014, 09:04 PM
pragma The sense that icons could be detected when they w... Mar 28 2014, 09:29 PM
Smash QUOTE (BlackJaw @ Mar 29 2014, 02:40 AM) ... Mar 28 2014, 09:36 PM
SpellBinder Well, ya gotta give the whiny deckers something to... Mar 28 2014, 09:38 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Mar 28 2014, 03:38 P... Mar 28 2014, 09:46 PM
SpellBinder QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 28 2014, 03... Mar 28 2014, 09:55 PM
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DeathStrobe QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 28 2014, 05... Mar 31 2014, 02:12 AM
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DeathStrobe QUOTE (psychophipps @ Mar 30 2014, 08:46 ... Mar 31 2014, 03:02 AM
Achsin QUOTE (DeathStrobe @ Mar 30 2014, 08:12 P... Mar 31 2014, 03:28 AM
SpellBinder And I'm with ya. "Never bring a computer... Mar 29 2014, 12:08 AM
hermit There are two really problematic matters with the ... Mar 29 2014, 01:53 AM
BlackJaw QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 28 2014, 08:53 PM) Th... Mar 29 2014, 04:20 AM
BlackJaw QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Mar 28 2014, 04:38 P... Mar 29 2014, 04:05 AM
Jaid a cyberdeck isn't cheap, that doesn't nece... Mar 29 2014, 04:33 AM
BlackJaw QUOTE (Jaid @ Mar 28 2014, 11:33 PM) a cy... Mar 29 2014, 05:12 AM
BlackJaw Ok, I feel like I'm getting less civil than I ... Mar 29 2014, 05:28 AM
Jaid the radio signal scanner is *one* way of tracking ... Mar 30 2014, 07:37 PM
Umidori Don't shoot the messenger. Or in this case, do... Mar 31 2014, 03:17 AM
SpellBinder My Saturday night game actually had a bit of comba... Mar 31 2014, 03:48 AM
Jaid deus took over SCIRE because the whole thing was h... Mar 31 2014, 04:36 AM
Xystophoroi Just an aside as I've seen several people ment... Mar 31 2014, 07:11 AM
Umidori Technically, cybereyes DO have wireless functional... Mar 31 2014, 08:08 AM
BlackJaw Discussing Wireless bonuses is getting a bit off t... Mar 31 2014, 06:38 PM
Umidori QUOTE (BlackJaw @ Mar 31 2014, 12:38 PM) ... Mar 31 2014, 10:10 PM
hayek double post Mar 31 2014, 10:10 PM
FuelDrop QUOTE (hayek @ Apr 1 2014, 06:10 AM) doub... Mar 31 2014, 10:18 PM
Umidori QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Mar 31 2014, 04:18 PM) ... Mar 31 2014, 10:39 PM
hermit @Blackjaw
QUOTE Firstly, being master in the slave... Apr 1 2014, 02:06 AM
RHat QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 31 2014, 08:06 PM) An... Apr 1 2014, 02:10 AM
DeathStrobe QUOTE VEERYTHING in the arcology was WIRED to the ... Apr 1 2014, 04:47 AM
BlackJaw QUOTE (DeathStrobe @ Mar 31 2014, 11:47 P... Apr 1 2014, 05:06 AM
psychophipps QUOTE (DeathStrobe @ Mar 31 2014, 10:47 P... Apr 1 2014, 02:38 PM
binarywraith QUOTE (psychophipps @ Apr 1 2014, 08:38 A... Apr 1 2014, 04:06 PM
binarywraith Doublepost. Apr 1 2014, 04:06 PM
hermit QUOTE That is an idea which you have invented your... Apr 1 2014, 02:12 AM
RHat QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 31 2014, 08:12 PM) I ... Apr 1 2014, 02:17 AM
BlackJaw QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 31 2014, 09:12 PM) I ... Apr 1 2014, 04:23 AM
BlackJaw QUOTE (hayek @ Mar 31 2014, 05:10 PM) The... Apr 1 2014, 04:06 AM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (BlackJaw @ Mar 31 2014, 09:06 PM) ... Apr 1 2014, 02:23 PM
Jaid once again, deus was specifically designed to run ... Apr 1 2014, 06:25 AM
BlackJaw OK, my stupid Matrix Trick for the night:
In the ... Apr 1 2014, 07:14 AM
Lobo0705 QUOTE (BlackJaw @ Apr 1 2014, 02:14 AM) O... Apr 1 2014, 11:30 AM
binarywraith QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Apr 1 2014, 05:30 AM) D... Apr 1 2014, 01:49 PM
Lobo0705 QUOTE (binarywraith @ Apr 1 2014, 09:49 A... Apr 1 2014, 02:23 PM
BlackJaw QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Apr 1 2014, 06:30 AM) P... Apr 1 2014, 03:23 PM
Sendaz QUOTE (BlackJaw @ Apr 1 2014, 10:23 AM) Q... Apr 1 2014, 03:48 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Sendaz @ Apr 1 2014, 08:48 AM) In ... Apr 1 2014, 04:07 PM
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