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> Why do the books still list syringes?, ...and other trivial gear
Sengir
post Apr 2 2014, 12:39 PM
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Leafing through the gear section in the 5th BBB the other day I was wondering about this: All gear sections are full of items which are really just everyday stuff, ported 1:1 with a random price tag added. Like the aforementioned disposable syringes, or rappelling gloves and light sticks (which btw went up in price from 5 ¥ to 25 ¥, are you kidding me?). This does not just clog up the book, it also encourages players (and builders of sample characters) to clog up the charsheets with line upon line of random stuff which sounds like it might be useful at some point.

What to do instead? Well, in most cases the obvious solution is just a few paragraphs up or down:
Medkit: The medkit includes drug supplies, bandages, tools, and a (talkative) doctor expert system I'm sure "drug supplies and bandages" includes some syringes and needles
Climbing gear: This is a backpack full of rope (400-kilo test), an ascent/descent harness, gloves Gloves already included, huh?

So why for example does the section for B&E gear not look like this:
B&E kit (R 1-6): This inconspicuous bag includes lock picks, electronics tools, a crowbar, and everything else needed to pick or force non-biometric locks. Adds its rating to tests for picking locks and gives a DV of [something dependent on rating] against barriers.
Power tool: A monofilament chainsaw, heavy-duty angle grinder, thermal lance, or other tool for cutting through serious obstructions [generic version of the mono saw, same stats]



PS: And if somebody wants to fill his word count on the cheap, at least do some sanity checking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
The syringes are listed as Avail. 3, cost 10 ¥ A PIECE. I know, IRL there are places which restrict sales, but in SR? Cheap body mods everywhere but no needles, because of the dozen or so people still using IV drugs? Yeah, sure...
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- Sengir   Why do the books still list syringes?   Apr 2 2014, 12:39 PM
- - Slide_Eurhetemec   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 2 2014, 12:39 PM) Lea...   Apr 2 2014, 04:11 PM
- - binarywraith   Why yes, we could make every bit of gear even more...   Apr 2 2014, 04:39 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Apr 2 2014, 11:39 A...   Apr 2 2014, 05:19 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Apr 2 2014, 06:39 P...   Apr 2 2014, 07:35 PM
- - psychophipps   ...we won't.   Apr 2 2014, 05:52 PM
- - Happy Trees   Steel Spoon: Bod: 2 Str: 1 Weak against acids....   Apr 2 2014, 09:09 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   Because it's funnier to say that if it's n...   Apr 3 2014, 12:05 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 2 2014, 06:05 ...   Apr 3 2014, 01:45 AM
||- - binarywraith   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Apr 2 2014, 07:45 P...   Apr 3 2014, 01:46 AM
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|- - thorya   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 2 2014, 08:05 ...   Apr 3 2014, 04:23 AM
||- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (thorya @ Apr 3 2014, 12:23 AM) Ha...   Apr 3 2014, 05:23 AM
||- - Sendaz   QUOTE (thorya @ Apr 2 2014, 11:23 PM) Ha...   Apr 3 2014, 09:27 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 3 2014, 02:05 ...   Apr 3 2014, 12:53 PM
|- - Epicedion   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 3 2014, 08:53 AM) or ...   Apr 3 2014, 02:06 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 3 2014, 04:06 PM) ...   Apr 3 2014, 03:07 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 3 2014, 10:07 AM) Tha...   Apr 3 2014, 07:48 PM
|- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 3 2014, 02:48 ...   Apr 3 2014, 08:13 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Apr 3 2014, 10:13 PM) if ...   Apr 4 2014, 12:16 AM
- - Smash   Personally, I'll take what we've got. 5th...   Apr 3 2014, 01:34 AM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (Smash @ Apr 2 2014, 06:34 PM) Pers...   Apr 3 2014, 05:15 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 3 2014, 12:15 AM) No...   Apr 3 2014, 05:27 AM
- - Curator   i would imagine that ordering something on the mat...   Apr 3 2014, 02:34 AM
- - Cain   You know, I used to like exhaustive gear lists. I...   Apr 3 2014, 03:42 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 2 2014, 11:42 PM) You k...   Apr 3 2014, 05:22 AM
- - Umidori   I never quite understood how they turned a quid of...   Apr 3 2014, 05:27 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 3 2014, 12:27 AM) I ...   Apr 3 2014, 05:34 AM
- - Umidori   Well, that's with habitual longterm usage. ~U...   Apr 3 2014, 05:54 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 2 2014, 09:22 ...   Apr 3 2014, 07:52 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 3 2014, 02:52 AM) One t...   Apr 3 2014, 01:39 PM
- - Umidori   So long as the seduction bonus has reasonable rest...   Apr 3 2014, 08:35 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 3 2014, 01:35 AM) So...   Apr 3 2014, 11:43 AM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 3 2014, 04:43 AM) *angr...   Apr 3 2014, 05:32 PM
- - Blade   For me the biggest problem with the syringes is th...   Apr 3 2014, 09:42 AM
|- - binarywraith   QUOTE (Blade @ Apr 3 2014, 04:42 AM) For ...   Apr 3 2014, 04:35 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Apr 3 2014, 10:35 A...   Apr 3 2014, 04:55 PM
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|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 3 2014, 03:51 ...   Apr 3 2014, 09:53 PM
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|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 3 2014, 10:46 PM) It wa...   Apr 4 2014, 02:17 PM
||- - Cain   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 4 2014, 06:17 AM)...   Apr 4 2014, 09:51 PM
||- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 4 2014, 04:51 PM) I dis...   Apr 8 2014, 02:08 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 4 2014, 04:46 AM) Hell,...   Apr 4 2014, 09:03 PM
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|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 4 2014, 11:52 PM) Of co...   Apr 5 2014, 05:33 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 4 2014, 11:33 ...   Apr 5 2014, 06:26 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Apr 5 2014, 01:26 A...   Apr 5 2014, 09:14 AM
- - Method   For what it's worth, there are drugs that cann...   Apr 5 2014, 03:53 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Method @ Apr 4 2014, 11:53 PM) I, ...   Apr 5 2014, 05:41 AM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Method @ Apr 5 2014, 05:53 AM) For...   Apr 5 2014, 01:39 PM
|- - Method   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 5 2014, 07:39 AM) The...   Apr 5 2014, 02:28 PM
||- - Sendaz   QUOTE (Method @ Apr 5 2014, 09:28 AM) Tra...   Apr 5 2014, 05:54 PM
||- - thorya   QUOTE (Method @ Apr 5 2014, 10:28 AM) I t...   Apr 5 2014, 06:38 PM
|- - Curator   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 5 2014, 02:39 PM) The...   Apr 9 2014, 03:08 PM
- - FuelDrop   One thing you can do with a syringe that you can...   Apr 5 2014, 09:42 AM
- - FuelDrop   Re: Tracking stuff. Most of the time our group i...   Apr 5 2014, 09:49 AM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Apr 5 2014, 02:49 AM) T...   Apr 9 2014, 05:15 AM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 8 2014, 09:15 PM) Yeah, ...   Apr 9 2014, 07:11 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 9 2014, 12:15 AM) Yeah, ...   Apr 9 2014, 01:22 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 9 2014, 12:15 AM) Yeah, ...   Apr 9 2014, 02:23 PM
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|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 5 2014, 05:27 AM) Wi...   Apr 5 2014, 01:12 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Apr 5 2014, 05:12 A...   Apr 5 2014, 11:46 PM
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- - Wounded Ronin   LOL, what ever happened to fetishizing? "Act...   Apr 5 2014, 08:29 PM
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|- - Cain   QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 5 2014, 05:00 PM) Ma...   Apr 6 2014, 03:06 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 5 2014, 10:06 PM) We tr...   Apr 6 2014, 01:23 PM
|- - Sengir   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Apr 6 2014, 03:23 P...   Apr 6 2014, 01:41 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 6 2014, 09:41 AM) The...   Apr 6 2014, 08:09 PM
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|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Method @ Apr 5 2014, 08:54 PM) I h...   Apr 6 2014, 02:07 AM
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|- - Cain   QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Apr 5 2014, 07:08 PM) T...   Apr 6 2014, 11:01 AM
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|- - Sengir   QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 7 2014, 12:06 AM) So...   Apr 8 2014, 11:30 AM
- - Shinobi Killfist   Huh, I'm with the player on that one. If a GM...   Apr 7 2014, 05:09 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   Hey, if George W. Bush can dodge a shoe...   Apr 7 2014, 07:16 AM
- - Grinder   QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 2 2014, 02:39 PM) Lea...   Apr 7 2014, 05:56 PM
|- - Slide_Eurhetemec   QUOTE (Grinder @ Apr 7 2014, 05:56 PM) Th...   Apr 8 2014, 12:51 PM
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