Apr 2 2014, 12:39 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,092 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
Leafing through the gear section in the 5th BBB the other day I was wondering about this: All gear sections are full of items which are really just everyday stuff, ported 1:1 with a random price tag added. Like the aforementioned disposable syringes, or rappelling gloves and light sticks (which btw went up in price from 5 ¥ to 25 ¥, are you kidding me?). This does not just clog up the book, it also encourages players (and builders of sample characters) to clog up the charsheets with line upon line of random stuff which sounds like it might be useful at some point.
What to do instead? Well, in most cases the obvious solution is just a few paragraphs up or down: Medkit: The medkit includes drug supplies, bandages, tools, and a (talkative) doctor expert system I'm sure "drug supplies and bandages" includes some syringes and needles Climbing gear: This is a backpack full of rope (400-kilo test), an ascent/descent harness, gloves Gloves already included, huh? So why for example does the section for B&E gear not look like this: B&E kit (R 1-6): This inconspicuous bag includes lock picks, electronics tools, a crowbar, and everything else needed to pick or force non-biometric locks. Adds its rating to tests for picking locks and gives a DV of [something dependent on rating] against barriers. Power tool: A monofilament chainsaw, heavy-duty angle grinder, thermal lance, or other tool for cutting through serious obstructions [generic version of the mono saw, same stats] PS: And if somebody wants to fill his word count on the cheap, at least do some sanity checking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) The syringes are listed as Avail. 3, cost 10 ¥ A PIECE. I know, IRL there are places which restrict sales, but in SR? Cheap body mods everywhere but no needles, because of the dozen or so people still using IV drugs? Yeah, sure... |
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Sengir Why do the books still list syringes? Apr 2 2014, 12:39 PM
Slide_Eurhetemec QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 2 2014, 12:39 PM) Lea... Apr 2 2014, 04:11 PM
binarywraith Why yes, we could make every bit of gear even more... Apr 2 2014, 04:39 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (binarywraith @ Apr 2 2014, 11:39 A... Apr 2 2014, 05:19 PM
Sengir QUOTE (binarywraith @ Apr 2 2014, 06:39 P... Apr 2 2014, 07:35 PM
psychophipps ...we won't. Apr 2 2014, 05:52 PM
Happy Trees Steel Spoon:
Bod: 2 Str: 1
Weak against acids.... Apr 2 2014, 09:09 PM
Wounded Ronin Because it's funnier to say that if it's n... Apr 3 2014, 12:05 AM
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thorya QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 2 2014, 08:05 ... Apr 3 2014, 04:23 AM

Wounded Ronin QUOTE (thorya @ Apr 3 2014, 12:23 AM) Ha... Apr 3 2014, 05:23 AM

Sendaz QUOTE (thorya @ Apr 2 2014, 11:23 PM) Ha... Apr 3 2014, 09:27 AM
Sengir QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 3 2014, 02:05 ... Apr 3 2014, 12:53 PM
Epicedion QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 3 2014, 08:53 AM) or ... Apr 3 2014, 02:06 PM
Sengir QUOTE (Epicedion @ Apr 3 2014, 04:06 PM) ... Apr 3 2014, 03:07 PM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 3 2014, 10:07 AM) Tha... Apr 3 2014, 07:48 PM
Sendaz QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 3 2014, 02:48 ... Apr 3 2014, 08:13 PM
Sengir QUOTE (Sendaz @ Apr 3 2014, 10:13 PM) if ... Apr 4 2014, 12:16 AM
Smash Personally, I'll take what we've got. 5th... Apr 3 2014, 01:34 AM
Umidori QUOTE (Smash @ Apr 2 2014, 06:34 PM) Pers... Apr 3 2014, 05:15 AM
psychophipps QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 3 2014, 12:15 AM) No... Apr 3 2014, 05:27 AM
Curator i would imagine that ordering something on the mat... Apr 3 2014, 02:34 AM
Cain You know, I used to like exhaustive gear lists. I... Apr 3 2014, 03:42 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 2 2014, 11:42 PM) You k... Apr 3 2014, 05:22 AM
Umidori I never quite understood how they turned a quid of... Apr 3 2014, 05:27 AM
psychophipps QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 3 2014, 12:27 AM) I ... Apr 3 2014, 05:34 AM
Umidori Well, that's with habitual longterm usage.
~U... Apr 3 2014, 05:54 AM
Cain QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 2 2014, 09:22 ... Apr 3 2014, 07:52 AM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 3 2014, 02:52 AM) One t... Apr 3 2014, 01:39 PM
Umidori So long as the seduction bonus has reasonable rest... Apr 3 2014, 08:35 AM
Cain QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 3 2014, 01:35 AM) So... Apr 3 2014, 11:43 AM
Umidori QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 3 2014, 04:43 AM) *angr... Apr 3 2014, 05:32 PM
Blade For me the biggest problem with the syringes is th... Apr 3 2014, 09:42 AM
binarywraith QUOTE (Blade @ Apr 3 2014, 04:42 AM) For ... Apr 3 2014, 04:35 PM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (binarywraith @ Apr 3 2014, 10:35 A... Apr 3 2014, 04:55 PM
Umidori The underlying concept is sound, it's just the... Apr 3 2014, 08:51 PM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 3 2014, 03:51 PM) Th... Apr 3 2014, 09:48 PM
psychophipps Screw hormones. Primates are the only critters tha... Apr 3 2014, 09:50 PM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (psychophipps @ Apr 3 2014, 04:50 P... Apr 3 2014, 09:51 PM
psychophipps QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 3 2014, 03:51 ... Apr 3 2014, 09:53 PM
Cain QUOTE But the dick move wasn't pointing out th... Apr 4 2014, 02:46 AM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 3 2014, 10:46 PM) It wa... Apr 4 2014, 02:17 PM

Cain QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 4 2014, 06:17 AM)... Apr 4 2014, 09:51 PM

Kagetenshi QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 4 2014, 04:51 PM) I dis... Apr 8 2014, 02:08 PM
Sengir QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 4 2014, 04:46 AM) Hell,... Apr 4 2014, 09:03 PM
Wounded Ronin Normally, for the magazines, I'd remind the pl... Apr 4 2014, 08:36 PM
Sendaz Just make sure they understand the meaning of mags... Apr 4 2014, 08:39 PM
Wounded Ronin Of course, even if you forgot to list a flashlight... Apr 5 2014, 03:14 AM
Cain QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 4 2014, 08:14 ... Apr 5 2014, 03:52 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 4 2014, 11:52 PM) Of co... Apr 5 2014, 05:33 AM
psychophipps QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 4 2014, 11:33 ... Apr 5 2014, 06:26 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (psychophipps @ Apr 5 2014, 01:26 A... Apr 5 2014, 09:14 AM
Method For what it's worth, there are drugs that cann... Apr 5 2014, 03:53 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Method @ Apr 4 2014, 11:53 PM) I, ... Apr 5 2014, 05:41 AM
Sengir QUOTE (Method @ Apr 5 2014, 05:53 AM) For... Apr 5 2014, 01:39 PM
Method QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 5 2014, 07:39 AM) The... Apr 5 2014, 02:28 PM

Sendaz QUOTE (Method @ Apr 5 2014, 09:28 AM) Tra... Apr 5 2014, 05:54 PM

thorya QUOTE (Method @ Apr 5 2014, 10:28 AM) I t... Apr 5 2014, 06:38 PM
Curator QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 5 2014, 02:39 PM) The... Apr 9 2014, 03:08 PM
FuelDrop One thing you can do with a syringe that you can... Apr 5 2014, 09:42 AM
FuelDrop Re: Tracking stuff.
Most of the time our group i... Apr 5 2014, 09:49 AM
kzt QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Apr 5 2014, 02:49 AM) T... Apr 9 2014, 05:15 AM
Cain QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 8 2014, 09:15 PM) Yeah, ... Apr 9 2014, 07:11 AM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 9 2014, 12:15 AM) Yeah, ... Apr 9 2014, 01:22 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 9 2014, 12:15 AM) Yeah, ... Apr 9 2014, 02:23 PM
Cain In one of my SR4.5 games, I had a rigger with five... Apr 5 2014, 10:10 AM
Umidori With enough dice (and not even that many), glitche... Apr 5 2014, 10:27 AM
psychophipps QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 5 2014, 05:27 AM) Wi... Apr 5 2014, 01:12 PM
Cain QUOTE (psychophipps @ Apr 5 2014, 05:12 A... Apr 5 2014, 11:46 PM
Umidori I've seen my fair share of glitches, but it... Apr 5 2014, 01:26 PM
Wounded Ronin LOL, what ever happened to fetishizing?
"Act... Apr 5 2014, 08:29 PM
Umidori Maybe you need new dice.
Alternatively, maybe you... Apr 6 2014, 12:00 AM
Cain QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 5 2014, 05:00 PM) Ma... Apr 6 2014, 03:06 AM
psychophipps QUOTE (Cain @ Apr 5 2014, 10:06 PM) We tr... Apr 6 2014, 01:23 PM
Sengir QUOTE (psychophipps @ Apr 6 2014, 03:23 P... Apr 6 2014, 01:41 PM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 6 2014, 09:41 AM) The... Apr 6 2014, 08:09 PM
Method I hear the Dice Gods like chicken... by candle lig... Apr 6 2014, 01:54 AM
psychophipps QUOTE (Method @ Apr 5 2014, 08:54 PM) I h... Apr 6 2014, 02:07 AM
FuelDrop The computer gods can be appeased by the sacrifice... Apr 6 2014, 03:08 AM
Cain QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Apr 5 2014, 07:08 PM) T... Apr 6 2014, 11:01 AM
Umidori We could always call in Leeroy - the chicken is st... Apr 6 2014, 03:24 AM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 5 2014, 08:24 PM) We... Apr 6 2014, 05:15 AM
KarmaInferno My funniest critical glitch was my Missions pixie ... Apr 6 2014, 03:48 AM
Umidori Technically there's nowehere near enough force... Apr 6 2014, 03:54 AM
Jaid QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 5 2014, 11:54 PM) Te... Apr 6 2014, 04:09 AM
Umidori Sounds like the GM critically glitched on their ... Apr 6 2014, 10:06 PM
Sengir QUOTE (Umidori @ Apr 7 2014, 12:06 AM) So... Apr 8 2014, 11:30 AM
Shinobi Killfist Huh, I'm with the player on that one. If a GM... Apr 7 2014, 05:09 AM
Wounded Ronin Hey, if George W. Bush can dodge a shoe... Apr 7 2014, 07:16 AM
Grinder QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 2 2014, 02:39 PM) Lea... Apr 7 2014, 05:56 PM
Slide_Eurhetemec QUOTE (Grinder @ Apr 7 2014, 05:56 PM) Th... Apr 8 2014, 12:51 PM
Sengir Just saw something on a coworker's desk which ... Apr 8 2014, 12:47 PM
Grinder Exactly. Apr 8 2014, 01:19 PM
Wounded Ronin One of my favorite games of all time is the text b... Apr 8 2014, 10:59 PM
Cain QUOTE Hm. Well, on the one hand, my initial reacti... Apr 9 2014, 01:40 AM
KarmaInferno It's just not the same with slap patches as st... Apr 9 2014, 01:45 AM
psychophipps One thing I have to say is that actually carrying ... Apr 9 2014, 01:59 AM
Sendaz think he meant ricochets off the dragon. Apr 9 2014, 01:25 PM![]() ![]() |
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