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post Jun 16 2014, 07:24 AM
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I haven't come up with a lot of information about making effective characters. I know this stuff is out there, but I'm coming up mostly empty handed. I'm pretty good at ripping a system apart and figuring it out but I know people have done it already.

I know optimization is a dirty word in a lot of gaming circles, here's the thing: You can optimize anything. No one wants to show up to the table with a great character concept and a terrible execution; spending the evening bored because you can't actually do anything is awful.

So I'm throwing this to you guys, is there already a guide somewhere about making a good character in general? I've seen people talking about specific archetypes but not much about character building in general. If not would the more experienced mind putting something together or just posting what they think is important to keep in mind? I'll gleefully spread it hither and yon for anyone who needs basic help character building.

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- CaptRory   Making a 4e Character: Optimization & Avoiding Traps   Jun 16 2014, 07:24 AM
- - Elfenlied   If BP Generation: 1. Softmax attributes you care a...   Jun 16 2014, 10:19 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Jun 16 2014, 04:19 AM)...   Jun 16 2014, 12:16 PM
|- - TomPliss   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 16 2014, 01:16 PM) 7:...   Jun 17 2014, 07:54 AM
|- - Mantis   QUOTE (TomPliss @ Jun 17 2014, 12:54 AM) ...   Jun 17 2014, 08:06 AM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (Mantis @ Jun 17 2014, 11:06 AM) Pr...   Jun 17 2014, 08:22 AM
|- - Elfenlied   QUOTE (Stingray @ Jun 17 2014, 08:22 AM) ...   Jun 17 2014, 08:24 AM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Jun 17 2014, 11:24 AM)...   Jun 17 2014, 08:30 AM
|- - Elfenlied   QUOTE (Stingray @ Jun 17 2014, 08:30 AM) ...   Jun 17 2014, 08:33 AM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Jun 17 2014, 11:33 AM)...   Jun 17 2014, 09:19 AM
- - Stingray   ..to me tone of the game is also main factor, when...   Jun 16 2014, 12:07 PM
- - CaptRory   Wow, thanks for the quick and detailed replies. Th...   Jun 16 2014, 05:24 PM
- - Jaid   regarding the point about technomancer BP efficien...   Jun 16 2014, 05:47 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 16 2014, 11:47 AM) it i...   Jun 17 2014, 04:42 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 16 2014, 11:42 PM) I ...   Jun 17 2014, 05:08 AM
- - Glyph   Dice pools are the main barometer of character eff...   Jun 17 2014, 02:08 AM
- - psychophipps   All I can say is that these folks have done it way...   Jun 17 2014, 03:38 AM
- - Elfenlied   Incompetent also adds Notoriety, which may bite yo...   Jun 17 2014, 08:21 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Jun 17 2014, 01:21 AM)...   Jun 18 2014, 02:43 PM
- - Glyph   Remember, incompetent means you are treated as ...   Jun 18 2014, 01:46 AM
- - CaptRory   I can certainly see how Incompetent would be a hor...   Jun 18 2014, 01:53 AM
- - Glyph   Uncouth, uneducated, and infirm all fall under thi...   Jun 18 2014, 02:22 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Glyph @ Jun 17 2014, 09:22 PM) Unc...   Jun 18 2014, 03:08 AM
- - CaptRory   I don't see how Amnesiac is plausible at all. ...   Jun 18 2014, 02:37 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (CaptRory @ Jun 17 2014, 07:37 PM) ...   Jun 18 2014, 02:47 PM
- - SpellBinder   In the way of positive qualities, the Spell/Spirit...   Jun 18 2014, 02:46 AM
- - Mantis   I would put In Debt and Enemy into the category of...   Jun 18 2014, 03:25 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Mantis @ Jun 17 2014, 10:25 PM) I ...   Jun 18 2014, 03:27 AM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Jun 18 2014, 06:27 ...   Jun 18 2014, 05:54 AM
- - Jaid   in debt is mostly bad because it has the potential...   Jun 18 2014, 06:33 AM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 18 2014, 09:33 AM) in d...   Jun 18 2014, 06:46 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 17 2014, 11:33 PM) in d...   Jun 18 2014, 02:52 PM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 18 2014, 09...   Jun 18 2014, 02:58 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 18 2014, 10...   Jun 20 2014, 03:11 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (toturi @ Jun 19 2014, 08:11 PM) By...   Jun 20 2014, 02:14 PM
|- - Shortstraw   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 21 2014, 12...   Jun 20 2014, 02:42 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 20 2014, 10...   Jun 20 2014, 02:54 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (toturi @ Jun 20 2014, 07:54 AM) No...   Jun 20 2014, 04:10 PM
- - Jaid   and yet there was a massive discussion about this ...   Jun 18 2014, 04:57 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 18 2014, 09:57 AM) and ...   Jun 18 2014, 05:25 PM
- - X-Kalibur   Avoid the trap of the High-powered chambering weap...   Jun 18 2014, 05:45 PM
|- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Jun 18 2014, 11:4...   Jun 18 2014, 05:59 PM
- - X-Kalibur   And you can get Ex-Ex at chargen if you need more ...   Jun 18 2014, 06:02 PM
- - Elfenlied   Ammo selection at chargen: -Want it dead? Ex-Ex -...   Jun 18 2014, 06:26 PM
- - CaptRory   How does one go about selecting commlinks starting...   Jun 20 2014, 02:53 AM
- - Jaid   commlinks are pretty inexpensive, and there isn...   Jun 20 2014, 03:18 AM
- - CaptRory   Sounds good, thanks. Would you say 3's across ...   Jun 20 2014, 04:53 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (CaptRory @ Jun 19 2014, 10:53 PM) ...   Jun 20 2014, 05:24 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Jun 19 2014, 10:24 ...   Jun 20 2014, 02:23 PM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 20 2014, 09...   Jun 20 2014, 02:32 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Jun 20 2014, 07:32 ...   Jun 20 2014, 02:40 PM
- - SpellBinder   For holdouts I favor the Morrissey Elan. Yeah it...   Jun 20 2014, 05:39 AM
|- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Jun 19 2014, 10:39 P...   Jun 20 2014, 05:45 AM
|- - Stingray   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Jun 20 2014, 08:4...   Jun 20 2014, 06:53 AM
- - CaptRory   Its always good to dress the part. I've been ...   Jun 20 2014, 06:05 AM
- - Udoshi   I have a soft spot for the defiance ex. Its just s...   Jun 20 2014, 07:02 AM
- - Stingray   ..myself i prefer Heavy pistols, but if selecting ...   Jun 20 2014, 02:35 PM
- - Mantis   I wouldn't say nothing can happen. After all, ...   Jun 20 2014, 03:13 PM
- - X-Kalibur   "But I already paid what I owed you last mont...   Jun 20 2014, 03:35 PM
- - Jaid   funny, I could've swore there was an entire su...   Jun 20 2014, 06:58 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 20 2014, 11:58 AM) funn...   Jun 20 2014, 07:57 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 21 2014, 03...   Jun 21 2014, 12:50 AM
|- - SpellBinder   QUOTE (toturi @ Jun 20 2014, 06:50 PM) I ...   Jun 21 2014, 02:10 AM
|- - Shortstraw   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Jun 21 2014, 12:10 P...   Jun 21 2014, 02:27 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Jun 21 2014, 10:10 A...   Jun 21 2014, 02:30 AM
- - psychophipps   All joking aside, I have had characters with light...   Jun 21 2014, 12:12 AM
- - Glyph   In debt gets singled out, but there are plenty of ...   Jun 21 2014, 01:59 AM
- - CaptRory   Rule 0: The GM can do whatever he wants. Rule 0a: ...   Jun 21 2014, 02:15 AM
|- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (CaptRory @ Jun 20 2014, 07:15 PM) ...   Jun 21 2014, 06:37 AM
|- - CaptRory   QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Jun 21 2014, 01:3...   Jun 21 2014, 06:06 PM
- - Jaid   aaaaaand here we have exactly why i pointed out in...   Jun 21 2014, 03:03 AM
|- - Shortstraw   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 21 2014, 01:03 PM) aaaa...   Jun 21 2014, 10:00 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Shortstraw @ Jun 21 2014, 05:00 AM...   Jun 21 2014, 08:39 PM
- - Shemhazai   Starting resources cost BP. If we were to house ru...   Jun 21 2014, 07:25 AM
- - Glyph   I could see it as a zero-point quality, as some ha...   Jun 21 2014, 09:35 AM
- - Shemhazai   Thanks. I'm thinking about something a little ...   Jun 21 2014, 09:59 AM
- - Elfenlied   Can we please stop all the derailing discussions a...   Jun 21 2014, 11:17 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Jun 21 2014, 04:17 AM)...   Jun 21 2014, 03:26 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 21 2014, 11...   Jun 21 2014, 03:46 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (toturi @ Jun 21 2014, 08:46 AM) Sa...   Jun 21 2014, 06:44 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 22 2014, 02...   Jun 22 2014, 01:53 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (toturi @ Jun 21 2014, 08:53 PM) I ...   Jun 22 2014, 02:22 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 22 2014, 10:22 AM) per ...   Jun 22 2014, 03:06 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (toturi @ Jun 21 2014, 10:06 PM) No...   Jun 22 2014, 06:17 PM
- - psychophipps   To be honest, I see it as a bit of both. It's ...   Jun 21 2014, 04:59 PM
- - CaptRory   If I had a player with a negative quality that wan...   Jun 21 2014, 09:30 PM
- - Glyph   Good advice, Jaid. Also, for negative qualities, ...   Jun 21 2014, 09:46 PM
- - Jaid   speaking of specializations... not all specializat...   Jun 21 2014, 11:02 PM
- - Shortstraw   Also no one ever said in debt was a well designed ...   Jun 22 2014, 02:19 AM
|- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Shortstraw @ Jun 21 2014, 08:19 PM...   Jun 22 2014, 02:45 AM
- - Glyph   It is generally option #1 that most people would t...   Jun 22 2014, 03:51 AM
- - KarmaInferno   Generally, if a player did not want to pay off the...   Jun 22 2014, 01:44 PM
- - Shortstraw   Well I tried to end it... So how 'bout that ra...   Jun 22 2014, 02:33 PM
- - CaptRory   One funny thing I noticed, moving from untrained t...   Jun 22 2014, 06:22 PM
|- - Mantis   QUOTE (CaptRory @ Jun 22 2014, 10:22 AM) ...   Jun 22 2014, 07:01 PM
|- - CaptRory   QUOTE (Mantis @ Jun 22 2014, 02:01 PM) I ...   Jun 22 2014, 07:06 PM
- - psychophipps   To be honest, I'm several magnitudes more exci...   Jun 22 2014, 06:23 PM
- - CaptRory   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Jun 22 2014, 01:23 ...   Jun 22 2014, 06:58 PM
- - Glyph   QUOTE (psychophipps @ Jun 22 2014, 10:23 ...   Jun 22 2014, 07:40 PM
- - psychophipps   QUOTE (Glyph @ Jun 22 2014, 01:40 PM) Opt...   Jun 22 2014, 08:52 PM
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