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Jason Farlander
post May 8 2004, 06:46 PM
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http://www.peak.sfu.ca/the-peak/98-3/issue...ue7/gibson.html

Yeah, I know the article is somewhat old - 1998 - but this was the first time I'd seen or heard of it, so I figured there would probably be some other people out there who hadnt come across it either.

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Gibson: To the extent that there was a Cyberpunk movement-and there wasn't, really, but to the extent that there was, the five or six people who I knew in 1981 who were doing this stuff and had a radical aesthetic agenda, at least in terms of that pop-art form of science fiction, [and] one of the things that we were really conscious of was appropriation. Appropriation as a post-modern aesthetic and entrepreneurial strategy. So we were doing it too. We were happily and gloriously lifting all sorts of flavours and colours from all over popular culture and putting it together to our own ends. So when I see things like ShadowRun, the only negative thing I feel about it is that initial extreme revulsion at seeing my literary DNA mixed with elves. Somewhere somebody's sitting and saying 'I've got it! We're gonna do William Gibson and Tolkien!' Over my dead body! But I don't have to bear any aesthetic responsibility for it. I've never earned a nickel, but I wouldn't sue them. It's a fair cop. I'm sure there are people who could sue me, if they were so inclined, for messing with their stuff. So it's just kind of amusing.


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- Jason Farlander   William Gibson's opinion of Shadowrun   May 8 2004, 06:46 PM
- - Jason Farlander   Heh... and then theres this, a more recent (year-o...   May 8 2004, 06:52 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Yeah, but Gibson's utility has long past, than...   May 8 2004, 06:59 PM
- - shadd4d   He's entitled to his opinion. In view of the m...   May 8 2004, 07:07 PM
- - Kagetenshi   At least his computer system, while nonsensical, s...   May 8 2004, 07:18 PM
- - Caine Hazen   This is what it would sound like if Anne Rice bitc...   May 8 2004, 07:21 PM
- - Erebus   I can completely see, and understand his perspecti...   May 8 2004, 07:48 PM
- - TinkerGnome   Heh, I used to have pretty much the same opinion o...   May 8 2004, 09:48 PM
- - A Clockwork Lime   Eh. I find the return of magic to the world far m...   May 9 2004, 12:55 AM
- - TinkerGnome   The short story was actually pretty good. The bit...   May 9 2004, 01:10 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime) You know, like hacking do...   May 9 2004, 01:13 AM
- - Ancient History   Never, ever judge William Gibson by his movies. A...   May 9 2004, 02:42 AM
- - A Clockwork Lime   QUOTE Just to hurt your soul: Dunky did donate a n...   May 9 2004, 02:53 AM
- - Zazen   QUOTE Never, ever judge William Gibson by his movi...   May 9 2004, 02:56 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime) Don't gimme started. ...   May 9 2004, 03:01 AM
- - Ancient History   I've said this before, I will repeat it here: ...   May 9 2004, 03:02 AM
- - Snow_Fox   QUOTE (Erebus) I can completely see, and understan...   May 9 2004, 03:04 AM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (Ancient History) I've said this before,...   May 9 2004, 03:24 AM
- - Ancient History   Without the intendent racism.   May 9 2004, 03:37 AM
- - Zazen   Wait, are you talking about Tolkein or Hitler?   May 9 2004, 03:47 AM
- - Shanshu Freeman   QUOTE (Zazen @ May 9 2004, 03:47 AM) Wait, ar...   May 9 2004, 04:45 AM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   Hey, at least the Nazis had that song "8 Days...   May 9 2004, 05:21 AM
- - toturi   I keep having this vision of their elf sam falling...   May 9 2004, 06:28 AM
- - Fygg Nuuton   i try not to make shadowrun too cartoon-like. elv...   May 9 2004, 06:42 AM
- - snowRaven   I neither love nor hate Gibson - alot of what he h...   May 9 2004, 10:49 AM
- - Aesir   Shadowrun is a concept that is very hard for peopl...   May 9 2004, 11:14 AM
- - Nikoli   That's a good point Aesir. A buddy of mine ha...   May 9 2004, 01:58 PM
- - Blaze   Nitpicking slightly, I think the biggest mistake i...   May 9 2004, 03:02 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Dogfight was an amazing story. Then again, it was...   May 9 2004, 03:10 PM
- - John Campbell   Thing about Shadowrun is that it all depends on ho...   May 9 2004, 05:09 PM
- - Slamm-O   for the record, they were only pretending to be vo...   May 9 2004, 06:00 PM
- - lodestar   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Dogfight was an amazing story. ...   May 9 2004, 06:42 PM
- - hobgoblin   cyberpunk as a freestanding genre have gone missin...   May 9 2004, 07:52 PM
- - KillaJ   QUOTE kinda like looking at the real world with co...   May 9 2004, 08:25 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Don't bother them. They're deluded by the ...   May 9 2004, 08:32 PM
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- - Kagetenshi   Well, we had it twice already… ~J   May 10 2004, 02:33 AM
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- - I Eat Time   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime) Wow. I always just saw m...   May 10 2004, 04:13 AM
- - Userlimit   http://www.apple.com/scitech/stories/delphis/   May 10 2004, 06:08 AM
- - Phaeton   QUOTE (Erebus) QUOTE (Phaeton @ May 9 2004, 0...   May 10 2004, 10:38 AM
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- - Bearclaw   I hated the idea too. After Gibson, Sterling and ...   May 10 2004, 06:51 PM
- - Phaeton   QUOTE (Sahandrian) QUOTE (Phaeton @ May 10 20...   May 10 2004, 08:03 PM
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- - lacemaker   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime) Yep. 'Cause the para...   May 11 2004, 07:36 AM
- - Arethusa   Major political and economic factor? Yes. New Bl...   May 11 2004, 08:28 AM
- - I Eat Time   OMG gibson is soo stpuid, he cant perdict teh futa...   May 11 2004, 12:41 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (I Eat Time)Technically it is, thousands die...   May 11 2004, 01:02 PM
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- - A Clockwork Lime   QUOTE (I Eat Time @ May 11 2004, 06:41 AM) C...   May 11 2004, 01:57 PM
- - I Eat Time   And the Lovecraft Mythos is little more than the p...   May 11 2004, 02:01 PM
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- - A Clockwork Lime   No. We're bashing a writer who's bashing ...   May 11 2004, 03:46 PM
- - Bearclaw   You should go back and read what he said. He didn...   May 11 2004, 03:52 PM
- - I Eat Time   QUOTE (A Clockwork Lime) Nevermind that said bashe...   May 11 2004, 03:56 PM
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