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Bertramn
post Jan 20 2015, 11:23 AM
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One of my players complaining about the cost of cyber-limbs in third edition
got me thinking about those, and after I took a look at the overall costs,
the options they open up, and the relation to Bioware alternatives,
I came to the conclusion, that I want to house-rule them in my game.
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The things I do not like:

The price is outrageous! This includes the price for cyber-limb augmentations, like a strength upgrade.
How can I expect to see gutter-punks on the street sporting chrome, when the basic kit costs 100k, without any additions.

The starting values seem strangely chosen, and the augmentation rules are clunky and confusing at best,
I still have not found the price of a strength upgrade in Man&Machine, after reading the pages 5 times over.
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Fixes I can think of:

Cutting the prices to a third, or even less. At least for standard-ware.
The limbs cost a lot of Essence, so the players will prefer higher grade ware anyway, which drives up the price again.
Also, upgrading the ware beyond the capabilities of ones own body is expensive enough,
in addition to costing Essence again, so the standard stuff does not have to be so hard on the wallet.
This way, Standard ware becomes as accessible as the setting requires.

I quite liked the approach fourth edition took to this, starting the attributes off at a value of 3,
and making the upgrade up to the level of the overall body relatively inexpensive.
This is made especially easy by third edition having only two attributes the ware can have, since it has no Body.
Working a fix over the hand- and foot-armor, would be pretty easy, by only allowing armor on full limbs to add to the overall score.
However I would be inclined to allow forearm armor to be added to close combat damage resistance, in Full Defense at least.

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The only thing I worry about is how this impacts how the starting money is spent.

On the other hand, I think it would be great to have more players in my games walk around with cyber.
The way I see it, they should WANT to shred their souls with ware, for the edge it gives them,
so the in-game rules for ware should reflect this.

What are your thoughts?
Do you play cyber-limbs in third edition RAW?
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- Bertramn   Third Edition Houserules: Cyber-Limbs   Jan 20 2015, 11:23 AM
- - Stahlseele   SR3 Cyber Limb Enhancements are not in Man and Mac...   Jan 20 2015, 11:51 AM
- - Lobo0705   In 3e the base human or elven cyberlimb starts wit...   Jan 20 2015, 01:06 PM
- - Bertramn   Hm... Having a separate value for the Strength of...   Jan 20 2015, 02:40 PM
|- - Lobo0705   Remember that in 3e, Quickness has to stand in for...   Jan 20 2015, 03:09 PM
- - nezumi   I'm testing SR3R with only the main book. Here...   Jan 20 2015, 03:39 PM
|- - Siygess   QUOTE (nezumi @ Jan 20 2015, 03:39 PM) I...   Jan 20 2015, 04:12 PM
||- - Bertramn   QUOTE (Siygess @ Jan 20 2015, 05:12 PM) B...   Jan 20 2015, 05:51 PM
||- - Siygess   QUOTE (Bertramn @ Jan 20 2015, 05:51 PM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 09:21 AM
||- - Bertramn   QUOTE (Siygess @ Jan 21 2015, 10:21 AM) I...   Jan 21 2015, 09:36 AM
||- - Siygess   QUOTE (Bertramn @ Jan 21 2015, 09:36 AM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 12:21 PM
||- - Bertramn   QUOTE (Siygess @ Jan 21 2015, 01:21 PM) C...   Jan 21 2015, 01:05 PM
|- - Bertramn   QUOTE (nezumi @ Jan 20 2015, 04:39 PM) [....   Jan 20 2015, 05:59 PM
- - binarywraith   Hell, at that price, why isn't every corpsec m...   Jan 20 2015, 05:28 PM
- - Sendaz   Domo Arigato Mr Roboto   Jan 20 2015, 05:29 PM
- - Stahlseele   And it'd todally be on par with the fluff of c...   Jan 20 2015, 05:49 PM
|- - binarywraith   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 20 2015, 11:49 AM...   Jan 20 2015, 08:29 PM
- - Stahlseele   Attributes of 4 fairly high? O.o 4 is barely above...   Jan 20 2015, 05:57 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 20 2015, 10:57 AM...   Jan 20 2015, 07:53 PM
- - Lobo0705   @Bertramn - I think Stahlseele was referring to th...   Jan 20 2015, 06:39 PM
- - nezumi   Sure, for 1.5 essence and $300k, you can be a...   Jan 20 2015, 07:39 PM
- - Stahlseele   @Lobo mostly correct. Biggest Problem is that clon...   Jan 20 2015, 08:17 PM
|- - Lobo0705   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 20 2015, 03:17 PM...   Jan 20 2015, 08:26 PM
- - Bertramn   Ok, Quickness starts 3 below the Characters, at a ...   Jan 20 2015, 08:29 PM
|- - nezumi   QUOTE (Bertramn @ Jan 20 2015, 03:29 PM) ...   Jan 20 2015, 10:02 PM
|- - Bertramn   QUOTE (nezumi @ Jan 20 2015, 11:02 PM) Do...   Jan 20 2015, 10:43 PM
- - Stahlseele   I think under SR3 mages faced the risk of losing m...   Jan 20 2015, 08:31 PM
|- - Lobo0705   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 20 2015, 03:31 PM...   Jan 20 2015, 08:42 PM
|- - nezumi   QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Jan 20 2015, 03:42 PM) ...   Jan 20 2015, 09:34 PM
- - Lobo0705   My concern would be with things like: I am a trol...   Jan 20 2015, 10:14 PM
|- - Bertramn   QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Jan 20 2015, 11:14 PM) ...   Jan 20 2015, 10:51 PM
|- - Lobo0705   QUOTE (Bertramn @ Jan 20 2015, 05:51 PM) ...   Jan 20 2015, 11:27 PM
- - Stahlseele   STR5 Troll? That's MINIMUM STR! And raisin...   Jan 20 2015, 10:30 PM
- - Bertramn   I get your point on the M&M rule. Allowing it ...   Jan 20 2015, 11:40 PM
|- - Lobo0705   QUOTE (Bertramn @ Jan 20 2015, 06:40 PM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 12:33 AM
- - Stahlseele   remember though that all improvements and addons m...   Jan 21 2015, 12:40 AM
- - Bertramn   Ok, I went through the numbers with a Body 5 chara...   Jan 21 2015, 08:42 AM
- - Stahlseele   Yeeaah . . our GM did not think that our reaction...   Jan 21 2015, 12:03 PM
- - Mach_Ten   I know the game is called "Shadowrun" gu...   Jan 21 2015, 12:50 PM
|- - Bertramn   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Jan 21 2015, 01:50 PM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 01:18 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (Bertramn @ Jan 21 2015, 01:18 PM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 01:55 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (Bertramn @ Jan 21 2015, 01:18 PM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 02:05 PM
- - Bertramn   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Jan 21 2015, 02:55 PM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 03:03 PM
|- - Siygess   QUOTE (Bertramn @ Jan 21 2015, 03:03 PM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 03:32 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (Bertramn @ Jan 21 2015, 03:03 PM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 03:47 PM
|- - Bertramn   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Jan 21 2015, 04:47 PM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 04:12 PM
- - Sendaz   see also Cyberpunk and Body dysmorphic disorder, ...   Jan 21 2015, 03:39 PM
- - Bertramn   Back to a few of my questions that I need answers/...   Jan 21 2015, 04:13 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (Bertramn @ Jan 21 2015, 04:13 PM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 05:35 PM
|- - Bertramn   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Jan 21 2015, 06:35 PM) ...   Jan 21 2015, 06:50 PM
- - Lobo0705   1) Why would you want to? This balances out the m...   Jan 21 2015, 04:44 PM
- - Bertramn   After coming up with that house-rule for the cyber...   Jan 23 2015, 08:09 PM
- - nezumi   Okay, so I see you're trying to reduce the ...   Jan 26 2015, 12:10 PM
- - Bertramn   With some I thought that the technology was way to...   Jan 26 2015, 01:17 PM
- - nezumi   1) This is a HUGE amount of stuff. Simply overwhel...   Jan 26 2015, 09:14 PM
|- - Bertramn   QUOTE (nezumi @ Jan 26 2015, 10:14 PM) 1)...   Jan 27 2015, 11:00 AM
- - Stahlseele   Well, it only raises body for the purpose of blunt...   Jan 27 2015, 11:51 AM
|- - Bertramn   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 27 2015, 12:51 PM...   Jan 27 2015, 01:24 PM
- - Stahlseele   No, Troll Dermal Armor does not give Armor in SR3 ...   Jan 27 2015, 02:08 PM
- - Bertramn   Right, it was Body here. That's what you get f...   Jan 27 2015, 02:36 PM
- - Stahlseele   No, against toxins and poisons you only use your n...   Jan 27 2015, 02:51 PM
|- - Bertramn   Damnit, you are right. Thanks. And that makes Der...   Jan 27 2015, 03:19 PM
- - Stahlseele   Dermal Sheath also has a 50% higher Essence Cost c...   Jan 27 2015, 03:22 PM
- - Bertramn   RAW Dermal Sheath 2 costs 1.4 Essence and 60k Nuye...   Jan 27 2015, 03:42 PM


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