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Serbitar
post Aug 29 2015, 09:27 PM
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Topic is balancing in Shadowrun.
What is good balancing? When is something overpowered and why? Does something as 'overpowered' exist when each player and NPC has the option to use it? How does a system profit from good balance? Why is balance necessary? What has traditionally or in a given edition been overpowered? When is something gimped or nerfed? What has traditionally been nerfed in Shadowrun?

I am currently tweaking my own rule system and am interested in other points of views.

Thanks in advance for your input.
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- Serbitar   Balancing   Aug 29 2015, 09:27 PM
- - Glyph   There are a lot of things in Shadowrun that, in my...   Aug 29 2015, 11:14 PM
- - Lionhearted   My favourite standpoint on balancing is: "Whe...   Aug 30 2015, 09:11 AM
|- - binarywraith   QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Aug 30 2015, 04:11 A...   Sep 1 2015, 05:25 AM
- - Serbitar   Interesting points. However I was more thinking i...   Aug 30 2015, 11:56 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Serbitar @ Aug 30 2015, 04:56 AM) ...   Aug 30 2015, 02:03 PM
|- - Iduno   QUOTE (Serbitar @ Aug 30 2015, 06:56 AM) ...   Sep 1 2015, 03:43 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Iduno @ Sep 1 2015, 07:43 AM) Also...   Sep 5 2015, 01:10 AM
- - Sengir   QUOTE (Serbitar @ Aug 29 2015, 11:27 PM) ...   Aug 30 2015, 06:28 PM
- - Serbitar   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 30 2015, 04...   Aug 30 2015, 06:31 PM
- - Glyph   The biggest problem with Magic is not so much the ...   Aug 30 2015, 10:23 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Glyph @ Aug 30 2015, 05:23 PM) The...   Aug 31 2015, 10:31 PM
- - Serbitar   To add something to the discussion: Unbalanced: ...   Sep 1 2015, 07:44 AM
- - Neraph   I disagree, almost wholesale.   Sep 1 2015, 12:31 PM
|- - Serbitar   QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 1 2015, 02:31 PM) I d...   Sep 1 2015, 12:51 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Serbitar @ Sep 1 2015, 06:51 AM) W...   Sep 1 2015, 05:00 PM
- - sk8bcn   QUOTE (Serbitar @ Aug 29 2015, 11:27 PM) ...   Sep 1 2015, 02:36 PM
- - binarywraith   Also, a vast amount of the balance depends on your...   Sep 1 2015, 04:19 PM
- - Serbitar   @Iduno: Good points. However: An option is only a...   Sep 2 2015, 10:19 AM
|- - KnightAries   QUOTE (Serbitar @ Sep 2 2015, 02:19 AM) @...   Sep 4 2015, 02:50 PM
- - Wakshaani   My quick-n-dirty is this: If something's an a...   Sep 5 2015, 01:51 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Wakshaani @ Sep 4 2015, 07:51 PM) ...   Sep 5 2015, 04:13 PM
- - binarywraith   Honestly, I only adjust at the table. 'x is o...   Sep 5 2015, 12:20 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Sep 5 2015, 06:20 A...   Sep 5 2015, 04:02 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Sep 5 2015, 06:20 A...   Sep 5 2015, 04:15 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 5 2015, 11...   Sep 5 2015, 05:13 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 5 2015, 11:13 AM) I s...   Sep 5 2015, 07:07 PM
- - toturi   One of the truisms about Shadowrun is that the wor...   Sep 6 2015, 12:40 AM
- - binarywraith   I'm curious. Why? Does the optimization make...   Sep 6 2015, 04:29 AM
- - Neraph   Here's an easy example of optimization: Case ...   Sep 6 2015, 04:54 AM
- - binarywraith   Sure, but that is moving your build towards a more...   Sep 6 2015, 04:36 PM
- - Glyph   Most players find some sort of compromise between ...   Sep 6 2015, 07:46 PM
- - Serbitar   Problems with balancing only arise if: 1a) Peopl...   Sep 7 2015, 07:38 AM
- - Blade   I think there are three main "balance" p...   Sep 7 2015, 12:33 PM
|- - Serbitar   QUOTE (Blade @ Sep 7 2015, 02:33 PM) I th...   Sep 7 2015, 02:35 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Blade @ Sep 7 2015, 05:33 AM) Sure...   Sep 7 2015, 03:04 PM
|- - Serbitar   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 7 2015, 05...   Sep 7 2015, 04:27 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Serbitar @ Sep 7 2015, 09:27 AM) N...   Sep 7 2015, 05:40 PM
- - sk8bcn   Can't say I agree to this. Basically, it...   Sep 7 2015, 12:50 PM
|- - Serbitar   QUOTE (sk8bcn @ Sep 7 2015, 02:50 PM) Can...   Sep 7 2015, 02:40 PM
|- - sk8bcn   QUOTE (Serbitar @ Sep 7 2015, 04:40 PM) B...   Sep 7 2015, 04:09 PM
- - KnightAries   Some things can be off balanced and some things I...   Sep 7 2015, 01:38 PM
- - Blade   From what I've seen, except for some extreme c...   Sep 7 2015, 04:34 PM
- - Serbitar   Now I am irritated. What prevents me from creating...   Sep 7 2015, 07:32 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Serbitar @ Sep 7 2015, 12:32 PM) N...   Sep 7 2015, 08:58 PM
||- - Serbitar   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 7 2015, 10...   Sep 8 2015, 07:12 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Serbitar @ Sep 7 2015, 02:32 PM) N...   Sep 7 2015, 11:22 PM
- - Glyph   The difference between an unaugmented and an augme...   Sep 8 2015, 03:22 AM
- - Neraph   I know, and I'd never play an un-augmented cha...   Sep 8 2015, 03:47 AM
- - Blade   @Tymeaus: I think what Serbitar is arguing (which ...   Sep 8 2015, 10:41 AM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   Quick Answer, Blade... Sorry it took a few days, b...   Sep 9 2015, 02:46 PM
- - sk8bcn   Neraph may have hit the point in your eyes in his ...   Sep 9 2015, 04:06 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (sk8bcn @ Sep 9 2015, 09:06 AM) The...   Sep 9 2015, 04:31 PM
|- - sk8bcn   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 9 2015, 06...   Sep 9 2015, 04:49 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (sk8bcn @ Sep 9 2015, 09:49 AM) It ...   Sep 9 2015, 05:35 PM
- - binarywraith   I think y'all are completely missing his point...   Sep 9 2015, 05:19 PM
- - KnightAries   I'd say look at the difference between Street ...   Sep 9 2015, 09:39 PM
- - Glyph   Shadowrun is relatively balanced in the sense that...   Sep 10 2015, 02:19 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Glyph @ Sep 10 2015, 10:19 AM) Sha...   Sep 10 2015, 08:40 AM
|- - KnightAries   QUOTE (toturi @ Sep 10 2015, 01:40 AM) Yo...   Sep 10 2015, 04:42 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Glyph @ Sep 9 2015, 08:19 PM) Shad...   Sep 10 2015, 05:11 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 10 2015, 11:11 AM) A ...   Sep 10 2015, 05:21 PM
||- - KnightAries   [quote name='Neraph' post='1316447...   Sep 10 2015, 08:18 PM
|- - Cain   QUOTE (KnightAries @ Sep 10 2015, 09:42 A...   Sep 11 2015, 09:57 AM
- - sk8bcn   I did read here that Technomancers were pretty bad...   Sep 10 2015, 07:36 AM
- - Blade   @Tymeaus: What you are losing by sacrificing your...   Sep 10 2015, 10:43 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Blade @ Sep 10 2015, 04:43 AM) @Ty...   Sep 10 2015, 01:38 PM
- - Neraph   If you have enough EMP bombs to coat a city.... Yo...   Sep 11 2015, 01:56 AM
|- - KnightAries   QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 10 2015, 05:56 PM) If...   Sep 11 2015, 08:42 AM
- - Cain   Here's the important part: Balanced is a *rela...   Sep 11 2015, 02:50 AM
- - Neraph   Oh. In that case, thanks for underscoring the fact...   Sep 11 2015, 10:34 AM
- - binarywraith   It shouldn't be doable anyway. The writing c...   Sep 11 2015, 01:57 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Sep 11 2015, 06:57 ...   Sep 11 2015, 02:00 PM
- - Neraph   Oh, I didn't know you were a freelancer for th...   Sep 11 2015, 02:00 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 11 2015, 07:00 AM) Bu...   Sep 11 2015, 02:02 PM
- - binarywraith   AIs you can run on a small, portable system are wh...   Sep 11 2015, 02:42 PM
- - Neraph   No, Harlequin was an NPC as a Plot Device. That...   Sep 11 2015, 02:44 PM
- - binarywraith   Yes, at the same time though you have a balance is...   Sep 11 2015, 02:56 PM
|- - KnightAries   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Sep 11 2015, 07:56 ...   Sep 11 2015, 03:53 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (binarywraith @ Sep 11 2015, 09:56 ...   Sep 11 2015, 07:25 PM
- - KnightAries   QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 10 2015, 09:11 AM) ED...   Sep 11 2015, 09:47 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (KnightAries @ Sep 11 2015, 03:47 P...   Sep 11 2015, 09:56 PM
|- - KnightAries   QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 11 2015, 02:56 PM) Fi...   Sep 12 2015, 02:35 AM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (KnightAries @ Sep 11 2015, 09:35 P...   Sep 12 2015, 06:02 AM
|- - KnightAries   QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 11 2015, 11:02 PM) 1)...   Sep 12 2015, 12:10 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (KnightAries @ Sep 12 2015, 06:10 A...   Sep 12 2015, 04:55 PM
|- - KnightAries   QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 12 2015, 09:55 AM) He...   Sep 12 2015, 05:53 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   I will jump in because it is fun... Rather than go...   Sep 12 2015, 02:41 PM
|- - KnightAries   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 12 2015, 06...   Sep 12 2015, 03:44 PM
- - binarywraith   Hell, just install the AI into a fleet of city bus...   Sep 12 2015, 04:56 PM
- - KnightAries   On a side not Neraph; I don't see either of us...   Sep 12 2015, 06:24 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (KnightAries @ Sep 12 2015, 12:24 P...   Sep 15 2015, 05:18 PM
|- - KnightAries   QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 15 2015, 10:18 AM) No...   Sep 15 2015, 06:43 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   Semper Fi Marines... and a call out to you Navy Sq...   Sep 13 2015, 08:27 PM

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