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SoulKage
post Oct 3 2004, 08:36 AM
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Hi all! I've always loved the Shadowrun universe but I've hit several problems with magic. I'm new to GMing (heck, playing the game) and this is what happened. After getting the melee and ranged rules down I studied magic and explained the rules to my friends. One friend found that if he took certain combinations of sustaining foci and spells, he could become improved invis, +6/6 armor, +4d6 initiative, +X to any stat he wanted, and flying forever...

Needless to say this just broke the game instantly and I fought for 3 hours tying to un-break it and I gave up. I'm hoping I'm missing some rules or something because magic just seems WAY too powerful, like as in you would need about 10 kilos of High explosive compound XI to ensure his death.. Anything short of that just tickles him.

I also have many more questions about Shadowrun and am hoping I can get some links to sites for further clarification on the rules. Thanks all!!
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- SoulKage   Problems with magic   Oct 3 2004, 08:36 AM
- - OurTeam   To start with, use Focus Addiction (Magic in the S...   Oct 3 2004, 08:41 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (SoulKage)I also have many more questions ab...   Oct 3 2004, 09:25 AM
- - tjn   SoulKage, either you missed something, or the forc...   Oct 3 2004, 10:52 AM
- - Chasgul III   Remember that the Increase Atribute spell is actua...   Oct 3 2004, 11:18 AM
- - Zenmaxer   what you SHOULD watch out for is spells that are l...   Oct 3 2004, 01:15 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Zenmaxer) what you SHOULD watch out for is ...   Oct 3 2004, 01:28 PM
- - Zenmaxer   actually fortune, I've been thinking about tha...   Oct 3 2004, 01:40 PM
- - Fortune   The only one that really bugs me is Increase Refle...   Oct 3 2004, 01:53 PM
- - Zenmaxer   actually the one that bothers me is physical camo....   Oct 3 2004, 01:54 PM
- - Glyph   Looking at this character: First of all, foci, as...   Oct 4 2004, 12:08 AM
- - Kagetenshi   That would be an interesting effect of invis+Armor...   Oct 4 2004, 12:22 AM
- - toturi   Imps.   Oct 4 2004, 12:34 AM
- - Derek   Or, you can talk to the player in question, explai...   Oct 4 2004, 01:07 AM
- - heliocentric   I had a similar problem a few years ago with one o...   Oct 4 2004, 01:47 AM
- - Glyph   It is always better to talk to the player, first. ...   Oct 4 2004, 04:54 AM
- - Sandoval Smith   How is he getting those stat boosts so high? In p...   Oct 4 2004, 05:15 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Glyph) It is always better to talk to the p...   Oct 4 2004, 05:44 AM
- - Fortune   While talking to the player is pretty much a given...   Oct 4 2004, 08:45 AM
- - Zenmaxer   Ultimately I'm with Glyph. A little power is a...   Oct 4 2004, 02:36 PM
- - Sandoval Smith   What kind of resistance could you have to a mage l...   Oct 4 2004, 02:42 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Astral threats. ~J   Oct 4 2004, 02:44 PM
- - Zenmaxer   actually, you could just use the silly essence kit...   Oct 4 2004, 02:47 PM
- - Kagetenshi   It already had use: being cute and fuzzy. ~J   Oct 4 2004, 03:25 PM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE What kind of resistance could you have to a ...   Oct 4 2004, 03:47 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   QUOTE (SoulKage)One friend found that if he took c...   Oct 4 2004, 05:16 PM
- - Cain   Soulkage: I did a bit of number-crunching, and it...   Oct 5 2004, 03:07 AM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (Zenmaxer) actually the one that bothers me ...   Oct 5 2004, 03:55 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE However, there's no way he can start wit...   Oct 5 2004, 06:47 AM
- - Joker9125   Post his Character sheet. The Rule Lawyer in me s...   Oct 5 2004, 07:55 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   I'm not sure there *is* a character sheet. Fro...   Oct 5 2004, 09:07 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond) QUOTE However, there's n...   Oct 5 2004, 06:22 PM
- - SoulKage   Notes: I did not bother with the other parts of ch...   Oct 13 2004, 04:23 AM
- - tjn   As everyone surmised, there's a slight flaw in...   Oct 13 2004, 05:04 AM
- - OurTeam   He also risks loss of Magic (Focus Addiction Rules...   Oct 13 2004, 06:23 AM
- - toturi   He could fetish limit those Imp Attribute spells, ...   Oct 13 2004, 06:34 AM
- - SoulKage   Thanks everyone, I think I see now.. the atribute...   Oct 13 2004, 04:07 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (SoulKage @ Oct 13 2004, 11:07 AM) Than...   Oct 13 2004, 04:25 PM
- - tjn   One can have all the armor in the world, but if th...   Oct 13 2004, 04:53 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   So does anyone apply the "layering armor...   Oct 13 2004, 05:27 PM
- - Fortune   No. The Armor spell doesn't figure in the calc...   Oct 13 2004, 05:38 PM
- - Cain   Don't forget the activation limit. He can onl...   Oct 14 2004, 05:17 AM
- - Glyph   I think clearing up the issue about the Increase A...   Oct 14 2004, 05:48 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Although, anything with the million nuyen is prett...   Oct 14 2004, 06:00 AM
- - tisoz   Also, skills are linked to attributes to determine...   Nov 5 2004, 01:09 PM
- - Kyuhan   The only problem I can see with all this (as was k...   Nov 5 2004, 01:47 PM
- - tjn   I have no sympathy for their feelings if they have...   Nov 5 2004, 05:03 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   In this case it doesn't really matter anyway. ...   Nov 5 2004, 05:46 PM
- - Apathy   Somebody else probably also mentioned this, but yo...   Nov 5 2004, 06:38 PM
- - DrJest   I've been meaning to ask - a number of times I...   Nov 5 2004, 07:05 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   By taking a spell limitation (Fetish or Exclusive)...   Nov 5 2004, 07:09 PM
- - LinaInverse   My GM Docmortand uses a house rule on creation tha...   Nov 5 2004, 07:14 PM
- - DocMortand   Actually the nasty variant that I use my house rul...   Nov 5 2004, 08:05 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   You can't do that, Doc. You can only take a l...   Nov 5 2004, 08:15 PM
- - DocMortand   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) You can't do that, ...   Nov 5 2004, 08:18 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I don't have my book handy, but it's in th...   Nov 5 2004, 08:20 PM
- - DocMortand   Well, Lina for example learned all her spells with...   Nov 5 2004, 08:25 PM
- - LinaInverse   One, I couldn't afford fetishes. Two, I (and ...   Nov 5 2004, 08:32 PM
- - Lantzer   One thing which doesn't really limit the chara...   Nov 5 2004, 09:54 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE One, I couldn't afford fetishes. Two, I ...   Nov 6 2004, 03:39 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Yeah, it's too bad you can't use other Gea...   Nov 6 2004, 03:41 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Enter house rules... Replace the Fetish limitatio...   Nov 6 2004, 03:47 AM
- - Clyde   Cool idea, Funkenstein. I don't think I'l...   Nov 6 2004, 05:58 AM
- - Fortune   He didn't forget it ... Sacrifice is a Metamag...   Nov 6 2004, 06:00 AM


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