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Johnny Reb
post Oct 23 2004, 07:51 AM
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Wow. My account name's still around?

Huzzah!

Ahem.

Sorry, just been gone for a few years and a bit shocked is all.

Regardless, I was eyeballing the massive advantage that a lowered target number grants and, well ... it seems a bit unfair. The edge that a Cyberlink gives is so large that I've had players for years not even consider not taking them. Even the *Mages* had them.

So, I was curious.

Would replacing the target mods for links (Including a laser sight) with a numerically-matching number of extra dice help this?

That is to say that a Smartlink would give +2 dice, while a laser sight would give _1, thus boosting the user's skill but not making so large of a difference?

Or would this just ruin game balance?

-- Johnny Reb

PS: Boosted Reflexes are described as a chemical upgrade of the body, rather than cybernetic implantation. Are they detectable in typical Cyber-scanning devices or would a chemical based (IE, 'Piss test' style) be needed instead?
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- Johnny Reb   Smartlinks: Is the bonus just too good?   Oct 23 2004, 07:51 AM
- - OurTeam   Yes, smartlink in daylight with no concealment and...   Oct 23 2004, 07:58 AM
- - mfb   looking at the rest of SR--stunbolts, extra skill ...   Oct 23 2004, 07:58 AM
- - Krieger   Like OurTeam so subtley said, if you are having pr...   Oct 23 2004, 09:05 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Let's put it this way. If smartlinks never ex...   Oct 23 2004, 12:15 PM
- - TheScamp   You could just give it a -1 bonus like the laser s...   Oct 23 2004, 12:54 PM
- - mmu1   Getting rid of smartlinks is just going to make Ph...   Oct 23 2004, 01:48 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (TheScamp @ Oct 23 2004, 06:54 AM) You ...   Oct 23 2004, 02:23 PM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE Well, that makes the 0.50 essence cost and o...   Oct 23 2004, 03:56 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Not ... even close. And if you play an Adept you...   Oct 23 2004, 05:25 PM
- - mfb   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Let's put it this w...   Oct 23 2004, 06:37 PM
- - ShadowGhost   Smartlinks have some advantages, but they still do...   Oct 23 2004, 06:49 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Only 1,000 nuyen more out of the gate and only twi...   Oct 23 2004, 06:52 PM
- - Kagetenshi   But many people don't do much in Long and Extr...   Oct 23 2004, 06:55 PM
- - mfb   depends on the weapon. for a pistol, Long range is...   Oct 23 2004, 07:17 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Even 30 meters is a lot much of the time. For exa...   Oct 23 2004, 07:18 PM
- - mfb   most 'runs take place in urban environments, s...   Oct 23 2004, 07:44 PM
- - Arethusa   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Let's put it this w...   Oct 23 2004, 08:04 PM
- - Krieger   Looking back on it, I've realized that we (as ...   Oct 23 2004, 08:06 PM
- - TheScamp   QUOTE Perhaps, but I think it's fair to point ...   Oct 23 2004, 08:10 PM
- - ES_Riddle   QUOTE (OurTeam) Yes, smartlink in daylight with no...   Oct 23 2004, 10:08 PM
- - tjn   QUOTE (Arethusa)QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ O...   Oct 23 2004, 10:44 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   You can always give the smartlink to a physad and ...   Oct 23 2004, 11:18 PM
- - tjn   1. A player not only does not choose which geas i...   Oct 24 2004, 01:04 AM
- - OurTeam   I love the trees. They are each one so beautiful. ...   Oct 24 2004, 01:07 AM
- - Edward   Saying other TN modifiers counter it is wrong. Com...   Oct 24 2004, 01:37 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (tjn @ Oct 23 2004, 08:04 PM) 1.  ...   Oct 24 2004, 03:52 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin) In fact, I don't even se...   Oct 24 2004, 04:34 AM
- - Johnny Reb   Actually, my problem wasn't that Smartlink gun...   Oct 24 2004, 04:54 AM
- - mfb   it's not quite the same benefit, but it's ...   Oct 24 2004, 05:32 AM
- - Starfurie   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin) The GM imposes the geas? I ...   Oct 24 2004, 08:20 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No, sadly, it's right at the top of the adepts...   Oct 24 2004, 08:31 AM
- - mfb   it is neither. QUOTE (MitS page 33 @ 2nd par...   Oct 24 2004, 08:34 AM
- - Starfurie   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)No, sadly, it's righ...   Oct 24 2004, 08:40 AM
- - DrJest   *snort*, try imposing the geas on one of my player...   Oct 24 2004, 08:47 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Starfurie) I read that and knew it was ther...   Oct 24 2004, 09:01 AM
- - Adarael   Just to remind people, Adepts don't even *have...   Oct 24 2004, 10:01 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   At which point they only get a -1 TN bonus and onl...   Oct 24 2004, 10:07 AM
- - Adarael   Except the Smartlink doesn't have a maximum ra...   Oct 24 2004, 11:06 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (DrJest) How much does the adept bonding pow...   Oct 24 2004, 01:51 PM
- - mfb   uh, whoah. my copy of SOTA:64 says it's a flat...   Oct 24 2004, 04:40 PM
- - Fortune   I am actually a loss as to where I got that from. ...   Oct 24 2004, 04:45 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (Starfurie)That's like the GM getting to...   Oct 24 2004, 06:20 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   That could be the post hand-of-god punishment. Th...   Oct 24 2004, 10:47 PM
- - Blaze   Where Smartlinks are concerned, it's worth not...   Oct 25 2004, 09:53 AM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Blaze) Where Smartlinks are concerned, it...   Oct 25 2004, 12:11 PM
- - toturi   I think you need a Rangefinder module for the SL I...   Oct 25 2004, 12:16 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (toturi) I think you need a Rangefinder modu...   Oct 25 2004, 12:23 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (mmu1) QUOTE (toturi @ Oct 25 2004, 07:...   Oct 25 2004, 12:30 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (toturi) Quite clearly you need both Rangefi...   Oct 25 2004, 01:23 PM
- - toturi   I always thought of the module as a seperate proce...   Oct 25 2004, 01:40 PM
- - Canid13   I'm with toturi on this one, the mod for the s...   Oct 25 2004, 03:26 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Whether it makes sense or not, it's a trivial ...   Oct 25 2004, 03:56 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Canid13) I'm with toturi on this one, t...   Oct 25 2004, 04:12 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Presumably the cyberware rangefinder calculates th...   Oct 25 2004, 04:14 PM
- - Jason Farlander   No. Wrong. Just displaying range to target *is* ...   Oct 25 2004, 04:23 PM
- - Stumps   I'm just playing around with the ideas floatin...   Oct 25 2004, 05:10 PM
- - mmu1   I wouldn't care if you either had to slap a ra...   Oct 25 2004, 05:11 PM
- - Kremlin KOA   especially when a electronic mag 3 eye mod negates...   Oct 25 2004, 06:30 PM
- - Raygun   QUOTE (mmu1 @ Oct 25 2004, 05:11 PM) A rangef...   Oct 25 2004, 07:33 PM
- - Johnny Reb   And a big thank you for doing the math for me, up ...   Oct 25 2004, 09:16 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Twelve dice, TN 2, expecting ten successes. Fourte...   Oct 25 2004, 09:38 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (mmu1) I wouldn't care if you either had...   Oct 25 2004, 10:00 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Jason Farlander @ Oct 25 2004, 05:00 P...   Oct 25 2004, 10:13 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (mmu1) Repeat after me: "This is me bre...   Oct 25 2004, 10:24 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Sword ~J   Oct 25 2004, 10:44 PM
- - Raygun   QUOTE (mmu1)My only continuous assertion is that n...   Oct 25 2004, 11:20 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Well, except for the rules for smartlinks and rang...   Oct 25 2004, 11:33 PM
- - Raygun   Then I guess he's right. It's idiotic and ...   Oct 26 2004, 12:13 AM
- - tjn   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Well, except for the ru...   Oct 26 2004, 12:43 AM
- - Raygun   Edit: Page 2. Duh. It's shitty piece of errata...   Oct 26 2004, 01:04 AM
- - lacemaker   On topic: I think there's a legitimate argumen...   Oct 26 2004, 02:10 AM
- - toturi   EDIT: Stewpitt post   Oct 26 2004, 02:16 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (lacemaker @ Oct 25 2004, 09:10 PM) ...   Oct 26 2004, 02:18 AM
- - Fortune   Of course, nobody is taking into account the Smart...   Oct 26 2004, 04:06 AM
- - tjn   QUOTE (lacemaker)And has been pointed out, the low...   Oct 26 2004, 04:12 AM
- - Kagetenshi   The laser sight has the massive disadvantage of be...   Oct 26 2004, 04:13 AM
- - tjn   While it's not exactly canon, an IR laser with...   Oct 26 2004, 04:22 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Still doesn't if there's a Troll, Dwarf, o...   Oct 26 2004, 04:26 AM
- - Jason Farlander   I continue to maintain that if the SL2 simply cost...   Oct 26 2004, 04:34 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   Jason I would so you are wrong there. Some of us ...   Oct 26 2004, 04:43 AM
- - toturi   But that Rangefinder was a rangefinder, not a SL I...   Oct 26 2004, 05:03 AM
- - Fortune   I don't have a problem with the extra Essence ...   Oct 26 2004, 05:03 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   Would you prefer the cyberware referred to as ...   Oct 26 2004, 05:23 AM
- - Fortune   I don't see much real work on the part of the ...   Oct 26 2004, 06:06 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   My biggest problem with this is simply gasme balan...   Oct 26 2004, 06:55 AM
- - Fortune   Um...Vision Magnification and Smartlinks are incom...   Oct 26 2004, 07:08 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   yes but one can have both and it is a free action ...   Oct 26 2004, 07:19 AM
- - mfb   not even a free action, actually. it's not an ...   Oct 26 2004, 07:26 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   true, even easier than I thought   Oct 26 2004, 07:40 AM
- - Stumps   QUOTE ('tjn')Once again, a Sammies' bi...   Oct 26 2004, 07:54 AM
- - Canid13   Kremlin, I'm intruigued where you got your num...   Oct 26 2004, 08:19 AM
- - toturi   With the difference b/w a SL 1 and SL 2 + rangefin...   Oct 26 2004, 08:30 AM
- - Stumps   QUOTE (Canid13)-as does any NPC who's gonna ha...   Oct 26 2004, 08:30 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   okay canid in short you may have both vision mag a...   Oct 26 2004, 08:33 AM
- - Stumps   I think the reason that SL's give a -2TN inste...   Oct 26 2004, 08:37 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   honestly at that point I start taking my LS combo ...   Oct 26 2004, 08:44 AM
- - Stumps   I think that's Johnny's point....The SL is...   Oct 26 2004, 08:49 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   QUOTE (Stumps) I think that's Johnny's poi...   Oct 26 2004, 08:52 AM
- - Canid13   SOTA 64 talks about Lone Star giving discounts on ...   Oct 26 2004, 11:34 AM
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