Oct 23 2004, 07:51 AM
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Wow. My account name's still around?
Huzzah! Ahem. Sorry, just been gone for a few years and a bit shocked is all. Regardless, I was eyeballing the massive advantage that a lowered target number grants and, well ... it seems a bit unfair. The edge that a Cyberlink gives is so large that I've had players for years not even consider not taking them. Even the *Mages* had them. So, I was curious. Would replacing the target mods for links (Including a laser sight) with a numerically-matching number of extra dice help this? That is to say that a Smartlink would give +2 dice, while a laser sight would give _1, thus boosting the user's skill but not making so large of a difference? Or would this just ruin game balance? -- Johnny Reb PS: Boosted Reflexes are described as a chemical upgrade of the body, rather than cybernetic implantation. Are they detectable in typical Cyber-scanning devices or would a chemical based (IE, 'Piss test' style) be needed instead? |
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Johnny Reb Smartlinks: Is the bonus just too good? Oct 23 2004, 07:51 AM
OurTeam Yes, smartlink in daylight with no concealment and... Oct 23 2004, 07:58 AM
mfb looking at the rest of SR--stunbolts, extra skill ... Oct 23 2004, 07:58 AM
Krieger Like OurTeam so subtley said, if you are having pr... Oct 23 2004, 09:05 AM
Doctor Funkenstein Let's put it this way. If smartlinks never ex... Oct 23 2004, 12:15 PM
TheScamp You could just give it a -1 bonus like the laser s... Oct 23 2004, 12:54 PM
mmu1 Getting rid of smartlinks is just going to make Ph... Oct 23 2004, 01:48 PM
Crimsondude 2.0 QUOTE (TheScamp @ Oct 23 2004, 06:54 AM) You ... Oct 23 2004, 02:23 PM
TheScamp QUOTE Well, that makes the 0.50 essence cost and o... Oct 23 2004, 03:56 PM
Crimsondude 2.0 Not ... even close.
And if you play an Adept you... Oct 23 2004, 05:25 PM
mfb QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Let's put it this w... Oct 23 2004, 06:37 PM
ShadowGhost Smartlinks have some advantages, but they still do... Oct 23 2004, 06:49 PM
Doctor Funkenstein Only 1,000 nuyen more out of the gate and only twi... Oct 23 2004, 06:52 PM
Kagetenshi But many people don't do much in Long and Extr... Oct 23 2004, 06:55 PM
mfb depends on the weapon. for a pistol, Long range is... Oct 23 2004, 07:17 PM
Kagetenshi Even 30 meters is a lot much of the time.
For exa... Oct 23 2004, 07:18 PM
mfb most 'runs take place in urban environments, s... Oct 23 2004, 07:44 PM
Arethusa QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Let's put it this w... Oct 23 2004, 08:04 PM
Krieger Looking back on it, I've realized that we (as ... Oct 23 2004, 08:06 PM
TheScamp QUOTE Perhaps, but I think it's fair to point ... Oct 23 2004, 08:10 PM
ES_Riddle QUOTE (OurTeam) Yes, smartlink in daylight with no... Oct 23 2004, 10:08 PM
tjn QUOTE (Arethusa)QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ O... Oct 23 2004, 10:44 PM
Wounded Ronin You can always give the smartlink to a physad and ... Oct 23 2004, 11:18 PM
tjn 1. A player not only does not choose which geas i... Oct 24 2004, 01:04 AM
OurTeam I love the trees. They are each one so beautiful. ... Oct 24 2004, 01:07 AM
Edward Saying other TN modifiers counter it is wrong. Com... Oct 24 2004, 01:37 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (tjn @ Oct 23 2004, 08:04 PM) 1. ... Oct 24 2004, 03:52 AM
Herald of Verjigorm QUOTE (Wounded Ronin) In fact, I don't even se... Oct 24 2004, 04:34 AM
Johnny Reb Actually, my problem wasn't that Smartlink gun... Oct 24 2004, 04:54 AM
mfb it's not quite the same benefit, but it's ... Oct 24 2004, 05:32 AM
Starfurie QUOTE (Wounded Ronin) The GM imposes the geas? I ... Oct 24 2004, 08:20 AM
Doctor Funkenstein No, sadly, it's right at the top of the adepts... Oct 24 2004, 08:31 AM
mfb it is neither.
QUOTE (MitS page 33 @ 2nd par... Oct 24 2004, 08:34 AM
Starfurie QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)No, sadly, it's righ... Oct 24 2004, 08:40 AM
DrJest *snort*, try imposing the geas on one of my player... Oct 24 2004, 08:47 AM
Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (Starfurie) I read that and knew it was ther... Oct 24 2004, 09:01 AM
Adarael Just to remind people, Adepts don't even *have... Oct 24 2004, 10:01 AM
Doctor Funkenstein At which point they only get a -1 TN bonus and onl... Oct 24 2004, 10:07 AM
Adarael Except the Smartlink doesn't have a maximum ra... Oct 24 2004, 11:06 AM
Fortune QUOTE (DrJest) How much does the adept bonding pow... Oct 24 2004, 01:51 PM
mfb uh, whoah. my copy of SOTA:64 says it's a flat... Oct 24 2004, 04:40 PM
Fortune I am actually a loss as to where I got that from. ... Oct 24 2004, 04:45 PM
Jason Farlander QUOTE (Starfurie)That's like the GM getting to... Oct 24 2004, 06:20 PM
Wounded Ronin That could be the post hand-of-god punishment. Th... Oct 24 2004, 10:47 PM
Blaze Where Smartlinks are concerned, it's worth not... Oct 25 2004, 09:53 AM
mmu1 QUOTE (Blaze) Where Smartlinks are concerned, it... Oct 25 2004, 12:11 PM
toturi I think you need a Rangefinder module for the SL I... Oct 25 2004, 12:16 PM
mmu1 QUOTE (toturi) I think you need a Rangefinder modu... Oct 25 2004, 12:23 PM
toturi QUOTE (mmu1) QUOTE (toturi @ Oct 25 2004, 07:... Oct 25 2004, 12:30 PM
mmu1 QUOTE (toturi) Quite clearly you need both Rangefi... Oct 25 2004, 01:23 PM
toturi I always thought of the module as a seperate proce... Oct 25 2004, 01:40 PM
Canid13 I'm with toturi on this one, the mod for the s... Oct 25 2004, 03:26 PM
Kagetenshi Whether it makes sense or not, it's a trivial ... Oct 25 2004, 03:56 PM
mmu1 QUOTE (Canid13) I'm with toturi on this one, t... Oct 25 2004, 04:12 PM
Kagetenshi Presumably the cyberware rangefinder calculates th... Oct 25 2004, 04:14 PM
Jason Farlander No. Wrong. Just displaying range to target *is* ... Oct 25 2004, 04:23 PM
Stumps I'm just playing around with the ideas floatin... Oct 25 2004, 05:10 PM
mmu1 I wouldn't care if you either had to slap a ra... Oct 25 2004, 05:11 PM
Kremlin KOA especially when a electronic mag 3 eye mod negates... Oct 25 2004, 06:30 PM
Raygun QUOTE (mmu1 @ Oct 25 2004, 05:11 PM) A rangef... Oct 25 2004, 07:33 PM
Johnny Reb And a big thank you for doing the math for me, up ... Oct 25 2004, 09:16 PM
Kagetenshi Twelve dice, TN 2, expecting ten successes. Fourte... Oct 25 2004, 09:38 PM
Jason Farlander QUOTE (mmu1) I wouldn't care if you either had... Oct 25 2004, 10:00 PM
mmu1 QUOTE (Jason Farlander @ Oct 25 2004, 05:00 P... Oct 25 2004, 10:13 PM
Jason Farlander QUOTE (mmu1) Repeat after me: "This is me bre... Oct 25 2004, 10:24 PM
Kagetenshi Sword
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Raygun QUOTE (mmu1)My only continuous assertion is that n... Oct 25 2004, 11:20 PM
Doctor Funkenstein Well, except for the rules for smartlinks and rang... Oct 25 2004, 11:33 PM
Raygun Then I guess he's right. It's idiotic and ... Oct 26 2004, 12:13 AM
tjn QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Well, except for the ru... Oct 26 2004, 12:43 AM
Raygun Edit: Page 2. Duh. It's shitty piece of errata... Oct 26 2004, 01:04 AM
lacemaker On topic:
I think there's a legitimate argumen... Oct 26 2004, 02:10 AM
toturi EDIT: Stewpitt post Oct 26 2004, 02:16 AM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (lacemaker @ Oct 25 2004, 09:10 PM) ... Oct 26 2004, 02:18 AM
Fortune Of course, nobody is taking into account the Smart... Oct 26 2004, 04:06 AM
tjn QUOTE (lacemaker)And has been pointed out, the low... Oct 26 2004, 04:12 AM
Kagetenshi The laser sight has the massive disadvantage of be... Oct 26 2004, 04:13 AM
tjn While it's not exactly canon, an IR laser with... Oct 26 2004, 04:22 AM
Kagetenshi Still doesn't if there's a Troll, Dwarf, o... Oct 26 2004, 04:26 AM
Jason Farlander I continue to maintain that if the SL2 simply cost... Oct 26 2004, 04:34 AM
Kremlin KOA Jason I would so you are wrong there.
Some of us ... Oct 26 2004, 04:43 AM
toturi But that Rangefinder was a rangefinder, not a SL I... Oct 26 2004, 05:03 AM
Fortune I don't have a problem with the extra Essence ... Oct 26 2004, 05:03 AM
Herald of Verjigorm Would you prefer the cyberware referred to as ... Oct 26 2004, 05:23 AM
Fortune I don't see much real work on the part of the ... Oct 26 2004, 06:06 AM
Kremlin KOA My biggest problem with this is simply gasme balan... Oct 26 2004, 06:55 AM
Fortune Um...Vision Magnification and Smartlinks are incom... Oct 26 2004, 07:08 AM
Kremlin KOA yes but one can have both and it is a free action ... Oct 26 2004, 07:19 AM
mfb not even a free action, actually. it's not an ... Oct 26 2004, 07:26 AM
Kremlin KOA true, even easier than I thought Oct 26 2004, 07:40 AM
Stumps QUOTE ('tjn')Once again, a Sammies' bi... Oct 26 2004, 07:54 AM
Canid13 Kremlin, I'm intruigued where you got your num... Oct 26 2004, 08:19 AM
toturi With the difference b/w a SL 1 and SL 2 + rangefin... Oct 26 2004, 08:30 AM
Stumps QUOTE (Canid13)-as does any NPC who's gonna ha... Oct 26 2004, 08:30 AM
Kremlin KOA okay canid in short you may have both vision mag a... Oct 26 2004, 08:33 AM
Stumps I think the reason that SL's give a -2TN inste... Oct 26 2004, 08:37 AM
Kremlin KOA honestly at that point I start taking my LS combo ... Oct 26 2004, 08:44 AM
Stumps I think that's Johnny's point....The SL is... Oct 26 2004, 08:49 AM
Kremlin KOA QUOTE (Stumps) I think that's Johnny's poi... Oct 26 2004, 08:52 AM
Canid13 SOTA 64 talks about Lone Star giving discounts on ... Oct 26 2004, 11:34 AM![]() ![]() |
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