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Fortune
post Nov 3 2004, 01:38 AM
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As a result of a disagreement in another thread, I sent an inquiry to info(at)shadowrunrpg.com about a couple of matters. I am including my original email, along with the official response for discussion. Both messages remain in their original state, and are not edited in content.

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Inquiry: Dear Info-person,

I have a couple of questions in regards to the Shadowrun RPG.

#1. Is it possible to implant the cyberware Eye Light System in natural
eyes, or does it require cyber replacement?

#2. If an Adept gets cybereyes implanted, what happens to any Powers he
may have that pertain to vision. For example, If the Adept has Improved
Sense: Low Light vision and Improved Sense: Thermographic vision, and he
gets a full cyber replacement, does he still retain his Improved Senses?
If not, does he get to reassign any appropriate Power Points?

#3. Related to the above question, if the Adept already has cybereyes, is
he permitted or eligible to acquire Improved Sense: Vision Powers?

Thanks in advance for your help...

                                                Fortune


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Response: Hi Fortune,

Good questions. I'll state my opinions on all three. As you know, these aren't answered directly by the books.

#1 "Unless stated otherwise, any eye modification can be purchased as a retinal modification for natural eyes or as a cyber modification to cybereyes." (MM page 44, lower left corner.) You know this.

The following Eye options are described starting on Man and Machine page 13. With each, I'll say whether the Description or Game Effects indicate they go only in CyberEyes.

Datajack -- Description yes -- Game Effects yes
All Eye Lasers -- Description no -- Game Effects yes (stated for all under Basic Eye Laser)
Eyelight -- Description yes -- Game Effects no
Eyelight Brightlight -- Description yes -- Game Effects no
Eyelight Superflash -- Description yes -- Game Effects not directly
Eye Weapons -- Description no -- Game Effects yes

It is my belief that it is an oversight that the Game Effects for the various Eyelight systems do not directly state that they are available only in CyberEyes, and the GM should follow the indication given by the Description and make them only available in CyberEyes in his/her campaign.

Therefore, all the cyberware Eye Light Systems are only available in Cyber Eyes.

I submitted this as a correction for the next printing of Man and Machine on October 1, 2004, but do not know if it will be accepted or will fit on the page.

#2 The Adept loses the 'natural' vision powers he purchased with Power Points. The Power Points are still allocated to those powers. He can choose to lose those Adept Powers the next time he undergoes loss of a Magic Point/Power Point or can replace his cybereyes with natural regrown ones to get his improves senses back.

#3 The Adept with Cyber Eyes can not spend Power Points on Improved Vision until he has his cybereyes replaced with natural eyes.

I hope my opinions on these help you.

Sincerely,
-- ShadowFaq
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- Fortune   Adepts and Cybereyes   Nov 3 2004, 01:38 AM
- - mrobviousjosh   Great. Clears that up for future reference. Just...   Nov 3 2004, 01:40 AM
- - Kanada Ten   Considering the thread in question was yesterday, ...   Nov 3 2004, 01:44 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Oy. So an adept purchases Improved Sense (Ultraso...   Nov 3 2004, 02:07 AM
- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE So an adept purchases Improved Sense (Ultras...   Nov 3 2004, 02:22 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE Ultrasonic Vision? Sounds like an oxymoron t...   Nov 3 2004, 02:55 AM
- - toturi   Please try to be a little more consistant, Funk. ...   Nov 3 2004, 03:11 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE If Ultrasound vision must be a Vision mod ev...   Nov 3 2004, 03:18 AM
- - Shev   IMHO, the adept shouldn't lose the powers anyw...   Nov 3 2004, 03:26 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Doc, I'm iffy on that method of description as...   Nov 3 2004, 03:28 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 3 2004, 11:18...   Nov 3 2004, 03:32 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Doc, I'm iffy on that metho...   Nov 3 2004, 03:38 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   toturi: That rule would apply to all adept powers...   Nov 3 2004, 03:43 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 3 2004, 11:38...   Nov 3 2004, 03:43 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (toturi)Shev: I think a better analogy would...   Nov 3 2004, 03:53 AM
- - toturi   The above opinion from Shadowfaq is a specific one...   Nov 3 2004, 03:58 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I was touching on your extrapolations. My first s...   Nov 3 2004, 03:58 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) And why limit it to cyb...   Nov 3 2004, 04:07 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No, you were replying to Shev in reference to his ...   Nov 3 2004, 04:10 AM
- - toturi   And I was running off Shev's extrapolation in ...   Nov 3 2004, 04:14 AM
- - ShadowFaq   Dr. Funkenstein, please help me with this. My job ...   Nov 3 2004, 04:20 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Er, is this legit? Admins, can we get a call? ~J   Nov 3 2004, 04:32 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   ookay uh what happens if the adept takes the power...   Nov 3 2004, 04:35 AM
- - Shev   QUOTE (Kremlin KOA) ookay uh what happens if the a...   Nov 3 2004, 04:55 AM
- - OurTeam   If the Adept has CyberEyes, how would taking the A...   Nov 3 2004, 05:01 AM
- - Fortune   That is the subject of my third question, to which...   Nov 3 2004, 05:07 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Of course this leaves entirely aside the debate ov...   Nov 3 2004, 05:11 AM
- - Fortune   I didn't bring it into the thread, and was one...   Nov 3 2004, 05:18 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Only based upon what you were complaining about in...   Nov 3 2004, 05:18 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   So adepts are mutants now? then des increased att ...   Nov 3 2004, 05:23 AM
- - Fortune   I don't think they were meant to be 'blank...   Nov 3 2004, 05:24 AM
- - Fortune   Doc ... I'm surprised you have no comment abou...   Nov 3 2004, 05:27 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   I will admit I like the balance advantage from thi...   Nov 3 2004, 05:31 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   of course the answer to 1 opens can of worms ...   Nov 3 2004, 05:34 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Kremlin KOA)So adepts are mutants now? then...   Nov 3 2004, 06:08 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE 1) Normally, such as in the case of Eye Data...   Nov 3 2004, 06:18 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   EDIT (and corrected -- dyslexia strikes again): Y...   Nov 3 2004, 06:25 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 3 2004, 05:25...   Nov 3 2004, 06:31 AM
- - Fortune   See, that's his job. He's specifically the...   Nov 3 2004, 06:33 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   >>>Insert partial threadjack here<...   Nov 3 2004, 06:38 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 3 2004, 12:33 AM) See, t...   Nov 3 2004, 06:43 AM
- - Fortune   Still, ultimately someone has to make the ruling, ...   Nov 3 2004, 07:09 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Ideally if they do insist on putting them together...   Nov 3 2004, 07:16 AM
- - Fortune   I'd have no problem with that (although I...   Nov 3 2004, 07:25 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Er, I'm not really sure how you could, actuall...   Nov 3 2004, 05:15 PM
- - Fortune   Considering we are discussing the response from a ...   Nov 3 2004, 05:24 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   I claim it as official in the sense that it's ...   Nov 3 2004, 05:34 PM
- - Fortune   To be fair, the called shot ruling in the FAQ was ...   Nov 3 2004, 05:40 PM
- - Kremlin KOA   yeah well apparently ShadowFAQ is a new FAQ guy, s...   Nov 3 2004, 05:57 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   Even if God Himself came down from Heaven, with an...   Nov 3 2004, 05:58 PM
- - Fortune   Except for the fact that it is obviously stated in...   Nov 3 2004, 07:24 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Fortune) Except for the fact that it is obv...   Nov 3 2004, 07:30 PM
- - Fortune   Obviously I did, since the most official ruling I ...   Nov 3 2004, 07:51 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   So then you are saying the above is true (while si...   Nov 3 2004, 07:55 PM
- - OurTeam   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)QUOTE (Fortune @ No...   Nov 3 2004, 07:57 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   "....(the latter are necessary for magicians ...   Nov 3 2004, 08:03 PM
- - Fortune   My post was solely in response to your last statem...   Nov 3 2004, 08:03 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I'm not twisting any words. That statement wa...   Nov 3 2004, 08:05 PM
- - OurTeam   "....(the latter are necessary for magicians ...   Nov 3 2004, 08:05 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Fortune) What's fascinating is how you ...   Nov 3 2004, 08:07 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (OurTeam @ Nov 3 2004, 02:05 PM) Dr. Fu...   Nov 3 2004, 08:14 PM
- - Critias   So fine. Ignore the FAQ answer in your games. Yo...   Nov 3 2004, 08:18 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I don't know why I'm bothering to waste my...   Nov 3 2004, 08:20 PM
- - Critias   No, you were replying to his question about how yo...   Nov 3 2004, 08:26 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) QUOTE (OurTeam @ N...   Nov 3 2004, 08:30 PM
- - Synner   Okay guys, let's try to tone it down. Name cal...   Nov 3 2004, 08:32 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 3 2004, 02:30 PM) I neve...   Nov 3 2004, 08:38 PM
- - Nikoli   Well said Synner. Also, remember, just because it...   Nov 3 2004, 08:40 PM
- - Critias   Maybe they're taking ShadowFAQ's answer as...   Nov 3 2004, 08:41 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Picking and choosing wh...   Nov 3 2004, 08:57 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Let me rephrase then. Trying to argue that a bit ...   Nov 3 2004, 09:04 PM
- - Fortune   Funk: What part of the phrase "My original qu...   Nov 3 2004, 09:05 PM
- - mfb   yes, fortune, but the basis of the answer can logi...   Nov 3 2004, 09:10 PM
- - Critias   Right, but the fact the rule might be applied to t...   Nov 3 2004, 09:16 PM
- - Fortune   But there is no discrepancy (except in Funk's ...   Nov 3 2004, 09:19 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   The shoe fits snuggly. Especially since Fortune h...   Nov 3 2004, 09:20 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   And even that doesn't *need* to happen, since ...   Nov 3 2004, 09:28 PM
- - mfb   honestly? yes, some kind of sense for vision magni...   Nov 3 2004, 09:29 PM
- - Nikoli   Only thing I'm confused on is why Vision mag a...   Nov 3 2004, 09:31 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Eh, Vision Magnification 3 with a Smartlink only p...   Nov 3 2004, 09:33 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)The shoe fits snuggly....   Nov 3 2004, 09:33 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No, blatant ignorance by sycophants who have to cr...   Nov 3 2004, 09:35 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) *growl, snarl, implied ...   Nov 3 2004, 09:37 PM
- - mfb   it's worth noting that this isn't--yet--an...   Nov 3 2004, 09:40 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (mfb) it's worth noting that this isn...   Nov 3 2004, 09:44 PM
- - Fortune   Nice edit. Note that my original question included...   Nov 3 2004, 09:47 PM
- - mfb   yeah, i try do the same thing when i send in quest...   Nov 3 2004, 09:51 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (mfb) honestly? yes, some kind of sense for ...   Nov 3 2004, 09:51 PM
- - mfb   QUOTE (hyzmarca)That because electronic vision mag...   Nov 3 2004, 09:53 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (mfb) QUOTE (hyzmarca)That because electroni...   Nov 3 2004, 09:54 PM
- - Nikoli   or a new digital camera with 20x zoom (optical) an...   Nov 3 2004, 09:55 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Although mfb knows full well why, Electronic Magni...   Nov 3 2004, 09:56 PM
- - mfb   that's silly, though. for one, digital optics ...   Nov 3 2004, 09:58 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No arguments from me on that. I was simply discus...   Nov 3 2004, 09:59 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 3 2004, 04:33...   Nov 3 2004, 10:01 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Again, no argument from me. But it just seems sil...   Nov 3 2004, 10:05 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) And Critias, having fun baiting...   Nov 3 2004, 10:07 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Smarlink+Rangefinder at Extreme range provides -2,...   Nov 3 2004, 10:09 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Actually a Smartlink-2 with Rangefinder and Vision...   Nov 3 2004, 10:15 PM

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