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Sunday_Gamer
post Sep 4 2003, 06:49 AM
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I always read about it, I always hear about it and it's just not right.
Magic is powerful, but it has it's limitations and drawbacks.

You always here about "Oh ya well he quickens these 3 spells and then the thing the thing and now he's unstoppable" or very similar BS and frankly, that's just not viable in Seattle.

So to all you GMs out there who feel they've lost control because they're mages are too powerful on account of the armada of spells on them, well, listen up.

A spell is PLAINLY visible from astral space. Each spell has it's own form, so a guy walking around with three spells on him is also walking around with those 3 spells astral forms. The force of the spell may not affect how bright the form is but the form IS there and it is CLEARLY visible to anyone with astral perception.

An ascensing roll is needed to determine the force or even whether the force is greater than the mages own magic rating. However, there are intrinsic penalties to walking around with spells quickened or anchored or sustained for that matter.

For one thing, well you're walking around with a spell on and everyone (with astral perception) knows it. So what you ask? Well other than clearly indicating you're a spell slinger to anyone looking aside, all spells, spirits and foci with a force of 3 or greater are illegal. (8-F)T which carries a penalty of a 10 000 :nuyen: fine and 1 year in prison.

So before you start walking around with an armada of spells quickened and anchored on foci, please remember that it's basically the same as a sam walking around with his assault rifle on his shoulder, 24 hours a day, and at least in the games I play, that'll get you killed or locked up in a damn hurry.

Sunday.
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- Sunday_Gamer   Right, enough of this sustained spell nonsense...   Sep 4 2003, 06:49 AM
- - Curugul   I'll take deliberate masking for $500 Ale...   Sep 4 2003, 06:55 AM
- - Sunday_Gamer   Deliberate masking for 500? I'd take it for 10...   Sep 4 2003, 07:24 AM
- - Sphynx   Another quick note for you non-GM's out there....   Sep 4 2003, 08:05 AM
- - Sunday_Gamer   Again, not really happening. Go take another loo...   Sep 4 2003, 08:50 AM
- - Sphynx   Uhm.... I wasn't talking about foci. I was ta...   Sep 4 2003, 09:25 AM
- - Adarael   I have a realistic question here. For the average ...   Sep 4 2003, 10:14 AM
- - Sphynx   Your stats are just a wee bit off Adarael. The nu...   Sep 4 2003, 11:01 AM
- - The White Dwarf   As much as I would squish Sphynx in my game (sorry...   Sep 4 2003, 12:29 PM
- - motorfirebox   sunday gamer, you're mistaken. deliberate mask...   Sep 4 2003, 12:34 PM
- - hobgoblin   there is allso the fact that its not only mages an...   Sep 4 2003, 01:46 PM
- - Greyfoxx   Spirit: Oh, hello too mage! care to join us? s...   Sep 4 2003, 01:50 PM
- - hobgoblin   and that requires for the magican to go head to he...   Sep 4 2003, 02:00 PM
- - Playing Games   The whole forceof a spell making itillagal is wac...   Sep 4 2003, 02:44 PM
- - Sphynx   No offense taken White Dwarf, but I do have to say...   Sep 4 2003, 02:51 PM
- - TinkerGnome   QUOTE (Playing Games) The whole forceof a spell m...   Sep 4 2003, 02:56 PM
- - Talia Invierno   I'd argue that enforcement of illegality would...   Sep 4 2003, 03:01 PM
- - TinkerGnome   QUOTE (Talia Invierno) Do you think anyone from th...   Sep 4 2003, 03:13 PM
- - Talia Invierno   And magical security exists precisely to keep your...   Sep 4 2003, 03:20 PM
- - Darkest Angel   You can do plenty with mundane security to keep ma...   Sep 4 2003, 04:04 PM
- - ShadowGhost   Another thing about permits.... Just because you h...   Sep 4 2003, 04:21 PM
- - ShadowGhost   Oh, and easy ways to screw up mages: an NPC charac...   Sep 4 2003, 04:50 PM
- - Sphynx   Sure, but going to your local Japan Consulate befo...   Sep 4 2003, 04:51 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   Couple things. On deliberate masking, I was of ...   Sep 4 2003, 04:52 PM
- - Sphynx   QUOTE (ShadowGhost) Oh, and easy ways to screw up ...   Sep 4 2003, 04:57 PM
- - Sphynx   QUOTE (Sunday_Gamer) Sphynx, there are exceptions ...   Sep 4 2003, 05:06 PM
- - Talia Invierno   Half and half, maybe? The types of environments a...   Sep 4 2003, 05:19 PM
- - ShadowGhost   Sorry, Intelligence does have bearing here... they...   Sep 4 2003, 05:21 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   QUOTE (Sphynx @ Sep 4 2003, 05:06 PM) As ha...   Sep 4 2003, 05:22 PM
- - Sphynx   QUOTE (Sunday_Gamer) A spell is PLAINLY visible fr...   Sep 4 2003, 05:26 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   Actually Sphynx those are the rules for the cops r...   Sep 4 2003, 05:35 PM
- - Talia Invierno   Was it in the SSG shadowtalk that a runner was exp...   Sep 4 2003, 05:40 PM
- - Kesh   The biggest detriment to having a valid SIN/permit...   Sep 4 2003, 06:48 PM
- - Lantzer   QUOTE The whole forceof a  spell making itill...   Sep 4 2003, 06:56 PM
- - Nova   Ok...I'd like to try and put a stop to this ...   Sep 4 2003, 07:46 PM
- - Fortune   There's always the option of using a good fake...   Sep 4 2003, 08:58 PM
- - Lucyfersam   As Fortune just said, their is no need to have a S...   Sep 4 2003, 11:51 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   Couple things. 1) Unless you are planning to war...   Sep 5 2003, 04:52 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Sunday_Gamer)the focus, which, whether acti...   Sep 5 2003, 11:17 AM
- - Talia Invierno   Oh, the character would be able to see the jacket,...   Sep 5 2003, 02:07 PM
- - Sphynx   So, Nova. Is that how you guys play, just go to e...   Sep 5 2003, 03:08 PM
- - Nova   > So, Nova. Is that how you guys play, just go ...   Sep 5 2003, 03:46 PM
- - Sphynx   Actually, the part I had a problem with was: ...   Sep 5 2003, 04:20 PM
- - Talia Invierno   True enough, Sphynx, and conceded. I definitely b...   Sep 5 2003, 04:26 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Talia Invierno) I believe you're right ...   Sep 5 2003, 04:40 PM
- - Nova   My character also has a legal SIN, and also helps ...   Sep 5 2003, 04:57 PM
- - Fortune   I think an Astral Signature exists for a duration ...   Sep 5 2003, 05:06 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   Right, so like I said, you're not a shadowrunn...   Sep 5 2003, 05:06 PM
- - Talia Invierno   QUOTE The astral plane, or astral space, is a para...   Sep 5 2003, 05:30 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   Thanks Talia, actually, Zanzer nailed it on anothe...   Sep 5 2003, 05:40 PM
- - Talia Invierno   Aiyah. But no one can actively mask all the time ...   Sep 5 2003, 05:53 PM
- - motorfirebox   um, sunday, lone star is a corporation. nova's...   Sep 6 2003, 04:55 AM
- - Polaris   Guys, Anything with a "P" in the legali...   Sep 6 2003, 05:16 AM
- - The White Dwarf   The advantage/disadvantage of a SIN is directly pr...   Sep 6 2003, 05:38 AM
- - Sunday_Gamer   First of all, my shaman HAS a sin, bought me one, ...   Sep 6 2003, 06:46 AM
- - Polaris   Guys, Your shamans and mages do buy astral chamel...   Sep 6 2003, 07:28 AM
- - Sphynx   QUOTE (Sunday_Gamer @ Sep 5 2003, 07:40 PM) I...   Sep 6 2003, 08:18 AM
- - Polaris   Sphynx, That's fine. In fact in the game I p...   Sep 6 2003, 09:30 AM
- - Greyfoxx   Light up ten city blocks w/o anyone knowing!? ...   Sep 6 2003, 11:03 AM
- - toturi   Strange, the idea of a mage/shaman having a few su...   Sep 6 2003, 12:39 PM
- - Sphynx   Greyfoxx... he didn't say anything about peopl...   Sep 6 2003, 01:17 PM
- - Greyfoxx   Ohh. I forgot the smileys. I was also talking figu...   Sep 6 2003, 01:39 PM
- - hobgoblin   hmm, 10 city block, what would the focus adiction ...   Sep 6 2003, 04:58 PM
- - The White Dwarf   Guys, what spells are people sustaining that is oh...   Sep 6 2003, 05:16 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   Sphinx, you really have to stop calling it "m...   Sep 6 2003, 05:24 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   Dwarf, allow me to demonstrate. Oh, look at that...   Sep 6 2003, 05:31 PM
- - Greyfoxx   This has most likely been said before, but... ......   Sep 6 2003, 05:44 PM
- - Lucyfersam   Umm, if they are using foci to sustain those spell...   Sep 6 2003, 05:59 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   You're right on the focus addiction, so yes, q...   Sep 6 2003, 06:14 PM
- - Lucyfersam   On the force, that's true, but your still sust...   Sep 6 2003, 06:32 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   You're preaching to the choir, I take permits ...   Sep 6 2003, 07:22 PM
- - The White Dwarf   Sunday, please drop your childish sarcasm at the d...   Sep 6 2003, 08:21 PM
- - Curugul   QUOTE Is there a better example? Yes. Invis 6...   Sep 6 2003, 08:42 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   Uh, dwarf? What the hell are you talking about? Wh...   Sep 6 2003, 09:20 PM
- - hobgoblin   hmm, curugul, last time i checked the armor spell ...   Sep 6 2003, 09:37 PM
- - Greyfoxx   Anyway curugul, its been the second time you'v...   Sep 6 2003, 11:10 PM
- - Glyph   Legality isn't something that will really come...   Sep 7 2003, 05:07 AM
- - Sunday_Gamer   Again Glyph depends on the game your in but you...   Sep 7 2003, 07:05 AM
- - Polaris   Guys, No not really....as I indicated before, the...   Sep 7 2003, 07:55 AM
- - Cain   Actually, MITS says that only 1% of the population...   Sep 7 2003, 08:35 AM
- - Sunday_Gamer   and yet again, we're back to depends what game...   Sep 7 2003, 08:46 AM
- - Sphynx   QUOTE (Sunday_Gamer) Willpower 10 Charisma 10 Armo...   Sep 7 2003, 09:10 AM
- - Polaris   Cain, Once more you simply are not right (I have ...   Sep 7 2003, 02:19 PM
- - Polaris   Sunday Gamer, Nah...you are just disciminating ag...   Sep 7 2003, 02:27 PM
- - Sphynx   Polaris.... Dude.... First, don't flame someo...   Sep 7 2003, 02:35 PM
- - Polaris   Sphynx, Cain and I have history in case you didn...   Sep 7 2003, 02:42 PM
- - TinkerGnome   Polaris, check out the new FAQ ruling on called sh...   Sep 7 2003, 02:52 PM
- - Sphynx   I think that called shots wouldn't ignore the ...   Sep 7 2003, 03:07 PM
- - TinkerGnome   QUOTE (Sphynx) I think that called shots wouldn...   Sep 7 2003, 03:10 PM
- - Polaris   Guys, First of all, a mage can wear effectively 6...   Sep 7 2003, 05:08 PM
- - Solidcobra   why use called shots on anything but a light pisto...   Sep 7 2003, 05:12 PM
- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Polaris) If the mage wears standard stacked...   Sep 7 2003, 05:41 PM
- - Sunday_Gamer   You're probably right, I probably do discrimin...   Sep 7 2003, 06:37 PM
- - Lucyfersam   Well, I as a GM use the called shot rules slightly...   Sep 7 2003, 09:41 PM
- - Cain   The precice frequency, and attitudes towards magic...   Sep 7 2003, 09:56 PM
- - Kagetenshi   But fraction isn't an informative term. A frac...   Sep 7 2003, 10:04 PM
- - Derek   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) But fraction isn't an infor...   Sep 7 2003, 10:19 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (hobgoblin) a troll with ultrasound, smartli...   Sep 7 2003, 10:33 PM
- - Cain   I'll also add this much-- IMG, any place with ...   Sep 8 2003, 02:23 AM
- - Polaris   Cain, Reread that sentence in context. 1% of the...   Sep 8 2003, 05:12 AM
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