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DrJest
post Nov 15 2004, 10:59 AM
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So I have this ork houngan, Remy Coeur de Lion. Old character that I was bringing up to date (how old? Well, let's just say that he was originally created using the New Orleans features from the old White Wolf magazine :/ ).

He was always immaculately turned out, which at the time included a full set of Vashon Island Houndstooth. Looking at the CC (p.48), I see that they've updated their line with the Actioneer. Fair enough, I've got cash lying around. Oh, and they come with their own long coat now - an alternative to that Mortimer Greatcoat he always wore.

Then I think to look at the stacked armour bonuses. And I quote, "The long coat... does not count as a separate item for layering armour."

Waaaait a minute. Are they saying it adds straight on to the rest of it? Because:

Suit jacket (1.5/1)
Slacks (1/0.5)
Hi-Collar Shirt (1.5/0.5)
Long Coat (2/2)

adds up to 6/4!

Add a suit of FFBA.3 (er... full body suit these days, I mean), which doesn't reduce your Quickness for layering, you're looking at a whopping 8/4 armour rating - and you look good too!

Is this right? Or did I miss something important?
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- DrJest   Actioneer   Nov 15 2004, 10:59 AM
- - Cymophane   yeah, youīre missing that the suit jacket and the ...   Nov 15 2004, 11:13 AM
- - DrJest   Ahh, cheers mate Because you (IRL) wear a long/gr...   Nov 15 2004, 11:20 AM
- - toturi   You'll look stupid with the FFBA hood over you...   Nov 15 2004, 11:24 AM
- - Cymophane   sure, page 121 cc Vashon Island, Actioneer Line e...   Nov 15 2004, 11:29 AM
- - DrJest   Ta Cy Toturi: I'd assumed the hood could be...   Nov 15 2004, 11:40 AM
- - Cymophane   iīve always thought of FFBA 3 as some kind of ninj...   Nov 15 2004, 11:50 AM
- - Ombre   QUOTE (Cymophane) armor vest w/ plates (dikote)___...   Nov 15 2004, 12:56 PM
- - Cymophane   sorry, but thou art wrong (i already factored thos...   Nov 15 2004, 01:05 PM
- - Ombre   Seems thou have a point here, Sir Cymo, please let...   Nov 15 2004, 01:14 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Ombre @ Nov 15 2004, 08:56 PM) Sorry f...   Nov 15 2004, 01:17 PM
- - Ombre   Just an afterthought, though...don't you guys ...   Nov 15 2004, 01:17 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Mistake #1: You can wear the jacket and coat toge...   Nov 15 2004, 01:21 PM
- - Ombre   So according to Toturi, you can only stack two lay...   Nov 15 2004, 01:22 PM
- - Ombre   You're right Doc, I can't imagine someone ...   Nov 15 2004, 01:24 PM
- - Cymophane   apology accepted humble sir ombre. yeah, but the b...   Nov 15 2004, 01:25 PM
- - toturi   Check your Armour Layering Rules, gentlemen. QUOT...   Nov 15 2004, 01:25 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Ombre) You're right Doc, I can't im...   Nov 15 2004, 01:26 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 15 2004, 07:25 AM) Even i...   Nov 15 2004, 01:27 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 15 2004, 09:2...   Nov 15 2004, 01:30 PM
- - Cymophane   1. you are wrong doc, page 46 cc reads "compo...   Nov 15 2004, 01:40 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cymophane @ Nov 15 2004, 07:40 AM) 1. ...   Nov 15 2004, 01:50 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Cymophane) 1. you are wrong doc, page 46 cc...   Nov 15 2004, 01:52 PM
- - Cymophane   no doc, you canīt wear ANY components together -...   Nov 15 2004, 01:56 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Good god. Live in ignorance. I couldn't care...   Nov 15 2004, 01:57 PM
- - Cymophane   what a weak argument, shame on you!   Nov 15 2004, 01:57 PM
- - Nikoli   Also, the overcoat doesn't stack like normal w...   Nov 15 2004, 01:58 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 15 2004, 09:5...   Nov 15 2004, 01:59 PM
- - Crusher Bob   QUOTE (Ombre @ Nov 15 2004, 09:24 PM) You...   Nov 15 2004, 01:59 PM
- - Cymophane   yeah, ok. but if this guy would wear a jacket and ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:01 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE Armour Vest 4/3 Actioneer Coat 2/2 (halved t...   Nov 15 2004, 02:02 PM
- - Cymophane   where does it say that the long coat only stacks w...   Nov 15 2004, 02:09 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I didn't say it only stacks with the Actioneer...   Nov 15 2004, 02:11 PM
- - Crusher Bob   General: Captain, why are all of your powered arm...   Nov 15 2004, 02:12 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) QUOTE Armour Vest 4/3 A...   Nov 15 2004, 02:14 PM
- - Cymophane   i donīt want to be nitpicking here, but i think th...   Nov 15 2004, 02:14 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Nov 15 2004, 10:12 PM) G...   Nov 15 2004, 02:16 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cymophane @ Nov 15 2004, 08:14 AM) @do...   Nov 15 2004, 02:23 PM
- - Cymophane   just to get you right: so you think the coat gives...   Nov 15 2004, 02:27 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I know it does. It provides 1/1 armor with anythi...   Nov 15 2004, 02:32 PM
- - Cymophane   but when the layering penalty (with the actioneer ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:34 PM
- - Nikoli   What they should have doen is described it as two ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:36 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cymophane @ Nov 15 2004, 08:34 AM) but...   Nov 15 2004, 02:40 PM
- - Cymophane   it doesnīt say no layering penalties apply, it say...   Nov 15 2004, 02:48 PM
- - toturi   That should be: Actioneer Line w/ Jacket but w/o ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:50 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Sorry, I was going off of memory for the numbers. ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:52 PM
- - Cymophane   but what are those layering penalties when they ar...   Nov 15 2004, 02:56 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE but what are those layering penalties when ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:59 PM
- - Cymophane   so you say the writer put the asterisk (that means...   Nov 15 2004, 03:03 PM
- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Nov 15 2004, 01:59 PM) Q...   Nov 15 2004, 03:05 PM
- - Fortune   An armor jacket is nothing like a suit jacket thou...   Nov 15 2004, 03:06 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cymophane @ Nov 15 2004, 09:03 AM) so ...   Nov 15 2004, 03:09 PM
- - Cymophane   iīm sorry, english isnīt my native language,but wh...   Nov 15 2004, 03:10 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   It means they may not be worn together and still c...   Nov 15 2004, 03:14 PM
- - Cymophane   that would mean that i could wear Dallas Line for ...   Nov 15 2004, 03:18 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Hence the potential layering penalties and funny l...   Nov 15 2004, 03:24 PM
- - DrJest   Everybody sit down. Put your hot drinks or sharp ...   Nov 15 2004, 03:25 PM
- - Cymophane   bleh, i looked the topic up in the german cc (arse...   Nov 15 2004, 03:47 PM
- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 15 2004, 03:06 PM) An ar...   Nov 15 2004, 04:10 PM
- - Cymophane   well, no...but there isnīt a magical force keeping...   Nov 15 2004, 04:18 PM
- - lorthazar   Are we forgetting on thing. if you truly want to w...   Nov 15 2004, 04:37 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (KarmaInferno) QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 15 ...   Nov 15 2004, 04:47 PM
- - mintcar   This is one of the things that is far to complicat...   Nov 15 2004, 05:05 PM
- - Cymophane   Amen mintcar!   Nov 15 2004, 05:12 PM
- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Cymophane) well, no...but there isnīt a mag...   Nov 15 2004, 06:50 PM
- - Cymophane   the german rules prevent you from wearing both at ...   Nov 15 2004, 07:19 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No, your interpretation of the German rules preven...   Nov 15 2004, 07:45 PM
- - Cymophane   well, open the book on page 151 arsenal 2060: Desi...   Nov 15 2004, 07:54 PM
- - lorthazar   I would say that has to be the most controlling an...   Nov 15 2004, 08:06 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Dude, there's a skill known at least in englis...   Nov 15 2004, 08:07 PM
- - Cymophane   sure you can put it one but you would receive no b...   Nov 15 2004, 08:12 PM
- - lorthazar   Actually if all you had was the complete suit (whi...   Nov 15 2004, 08:16 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Why would you not get the normal layering? If you...   Nov 15 2004, 08:17 PM
- - Cymophane   "Some things are not explicitly covered by th...   Nov 15 2004, 08:21 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Dude, seriously, the rule is saying that you can...   Nov 15 2004, 08:23 PM
- - KarmaInferno   So this is a case where the text is worded badly. ...   Nov 15 2004, 08:25 PM
- - Cymophane   "Designerpanzerkleidung - Komponenten, die ni...   Nov 15 2004, 08:26 PM
- - KarmaInferno   What part of "you are interpreting the rules ...   Nov 15 2004, 08:27 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Cymophane: Once again, you're reading them ou...   Nov 15 2004, 08:29 PM
- - Cymophane   hey buddy, i already said that it is quite clear t...   Nov 15 2004, 08:32 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No, what you're actually saying (in effect if ...   Nov 15 2004, 08:35 PM
- - lorthazar   Fails to see the abuse in the above combo. Besides...   Nov 15 2004, 08:37 PM
- - Cymophane   no doc, as i said long ago i think it canīt be use...   Nov 15 2004, 08:42 PM
- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Cymophane @ Nov 15 2004, 08:32 PM) hey...   Nov 15 2004, 08:42 PM
- - DrJest   QUOTE There is no role-playing police that will ha...   Nov 15 2004, 09:37 PM
- - Dr. Black   Beating dead horse. If I have the full actioneer ...   Nov 15 2004, 09:49 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No, it counts as two pieces of armor. But like FF...   Nov 15 2004, 09:50 PM
- - Jason Farlander   Is it just me, or are the last three pages of this...   Nov 15 2004, 10:33 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   It pretty much is.   Nov 15 2004, 10:35 PM
- - Chance359   And to think I kept checking all day long to see i...   Nov 15 2004, 10:49 PM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Also, despite Toturi...   Nov 15 2004, 10:51 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   And, once again, it's not necessarily a house ...   Nov 15 2004, 11:14 PM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)And, once again, it...   Nov 15 2004, 11:30 PM
- - Cymophane   quote doc: "Someone only has to shoot threw t...   Nov 15 2004, 11:30 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)Hell, using that sort of...   Nov 15 2004, 11:38 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (John Campbell) Or reading what the book act...   Nov 15 2004, 11:43 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Feel free to point out ...   Nov 16 2004, 12:35 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I don't see "...and in no way, shape, or ...   Nov 16 2004, 12:37 AM
- - toturi   If armour>1, armour = highest armour + 1/2 nex...   Nov 16 2004, 12:42 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Once again, show me where it says it stops there a...   Nov 16 2004, 12:46 AM
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