Nov 29 2004, 01:19 PM
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It came up during the latest post-run discussions of my group:
Does one need a rigger or is it enough just to have someone who can drive like a madman? To elaborate. Riggers in planes and helicopters are (almost) a reality in our dear quaint old fifth world. Granted. Seems reasonable viz. the microseconds you have in jets to decide whether to release the rocket or do the pacifist bit. Now, riggers on streets are an entirely different kettle of fish. Depending on style of play, your group might not be exclusively stuck in urban free fire zones where a rigger might have to handle street code, on-board HMGs and that nifty SAM on top all at the same time. At least, I goad my group towards something one might call low-tech (hey, they're from the Barrens, they think spurs are SOTA). So my feeling is riggers basically come into their own mainly as getaway-drivers. They have to know their way around town, they have to be socially adaptively insane and they need to talk about their cars like that sad git in Full Metal Jacket did about his rifle 'Charlene'. The need for VCR never comes into it. So you have sensors for that 360 degrees vista. Fine. And is there any space left for the runners? So you (I quote one of the latest novels) can feel the rain on your hood. What's the use for that? So your body movements are translated into car movements (Rigger III). Fat chance. Never known anybody who was better on all fours than on two legs. I could go on. There's obviously a reason for having riggers the way they are in SR. Samurai are Samurai. Nerds have become ultra-cool deckers, Magic-users are superhuman anyway. And then only include some poor slot who sits behind the wheel? Of course nobody wants to play that type. What are your feelings? (And don't burn me for the above. I'm putting this forward BECAUSE I want to be able to review my ideas about riggers) |
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Trashman Rigger Soul-searching Nov 29 2004, 01:19 PM
Cray74 I'm not sure what to say.
Very rarely do I p... Nov 29 2004, 02:23 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Trashman @ Nov 29 2004, 08:19 AM) Ther... Nov 29 2004, 02:45 PM
toturi Riggers are the runner artillery. They may not be ... Nov 29 2004, 03:17 PM
Kagetenshi -3 to TN to hit with SEG for LOS. Better bonus tha... Nov 29 2004, 03:28 PM
CoalHeart Up close and personal, I've seen riggers tear ... Nov 29 2004, 03:31 PM
toturi Actually, there are no Canon rules for such a vehi... Nov 29 2004, 03:39 PM
Tarantula Behold the steel lynx with some EnfieldAS-7/D shot... Nov 29 2004, 04:09 PM
Trashman Yes, well, how to put it to you gentlemen (and -wo... Nov 29 2004, 04:45 PM
Cray74 QUOTE (Tarantula) Behold the steel lynx with some ... Nov 29 2004, 04:46 PM
Cray74 QUOTE (Trashman) I'd rather agree with Cray74 ... Nov 29 2004, 04:56 PM
jezryaldar QUOTE I was thinking in terms of roleplaying and c... Nov 29 2004, 05:01 PM
Tarantula QUOTE (Trashman) I was thinking in terms of rolepl... Nov 29 2004, 05:37 PM
Toxic_Waste You should always have the best possible getaway d... Nov 29 2004, 05:43 PM
Doctor Funkenstein I really hate VCRs.
I just hate everything about ... Nov 29 2004, 06:07 PM
Jason Farlander QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)I really hate VCRs.
Well... Nov 29 2004, 06:16 PM
Cray74 QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 29 2004, 06:0... Nov 29 2004, 06:16 PM
Crusher Bob Hmm, if your dikoted ally spirit is in vehicle for... Nov 29 2004, 06:25 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Trashman) Having some geek sitting back for... Nov 29 2004, 06:26 PM
lodestar Ok here we go in defence of the poor rigger.
Firs... Nov 29 2004, 08:01 PM
Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE Secondly lets look at the heart of the rigge... Nov 29 2004, 08:09 PM
Kagetenshi Just to second what the Doc said, Control Pool, Re... Nov 29 2004, 08:31 PM
Eyeless Blond What really bothers me about riggers is how much t... Nov 29 2004, 08:40 PM
Kagetenshi That's not entirely true, you can use combat p... Nov 29 2004, 08:47 PM
Lindt Im thinking there is a misconception here. If you... Nov 29 2004, 08:48 PM
GrinderTheTroll QUOTE (Eyeless Blond) I guess what I'm saying ... Nov 29 2004, 08:51 PM
Doctor Funkenstein Note that my proposal (while I failed to mention i... Nov 29 2004, 08:59 PM
Kagetenshi I personally love the comatose thing. Same with de... Nov 29 2004, 09:08 PM
Tarantula QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) The thing I hate most a... Nov 29 2004, 09:10 PM
mmu1 If I were God, I'd change two things about the... Nov 29 2004, 09:26 PM
Lantzer Note that any rigger who spends his active time co... Nov 29 2004, 09:42 PM
Lantzer As examples of interesting hybrid characters:
Doc... Nov 29 2004, 09:48 PM
Kagetenshi If a Rigger has a VCR-3 and a good natural Reactio... Nov 29 2004, 09:49 PM
Bigity Hmm, that just gave me an idea for a question..
I... Nov 29 2004, 10:05 PM
ES_Riddle QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Just to second what the Doc sai... Nov 29 2004, 10:19 PM
Kagetenshi Yes. Potentially, they could bridge a connection f... Nov 29 2004, 10:20 PM
Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE Because you can't rig bikes.
You most ce... Nov 29 2004, 10:26 PM
ES_Riddle That's what I get for posting about riggers wh... Nov 29 2004, 10:31 PM
Kagetenshi My current Rigger sits in the driver's seat be... Nov 29 2004, 10:38 PM
mfb psh. my rigger is never in the car at all. she sit... Nov 29 2004, 10:42 PM
Tarantula I had one rigger of mine (a dwarf) strap himself i... Nov 29 2004, 10:44 PM
Kagetenshi What I would have done is let him drive for a whil... Nov 29 2004, 10:47 PM
Tarantula QUOTE (Kagetenshi) What I would have done is let h... Nov 29 2004, 10:49 PM
Kagetenshi True. Ok, I still say you should have taken him fo... Nov 29 2004, 10:54 PM
Tarantula Is it scarier when you can't see anything and ... Nov 29 2004, 11:04 PM
Cain Trashman: As others here have mentioned, you'r... Nov 29 2004, 11:26 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Tarantula) Is it scarier when you can't... Nov 29 2004, 11:40 PM
mfb indeed. that's what my rigger does. two LS-9s ... Nov 29 2004, 11:57 PM
DrJest Although it's been a while since I read it, Wa... Nov 30 2004, 12:01 AM
mmu1 QUOTE (DrJest) That's the reason for control p... Nov 30 2004, 12:29 AM
BitBasher QUOTE What's the real difference, at that poin... Nov 30 2004, 01:03 AM
toturi You can suffer dumpshock from using that drone. An... Nov 30 2004, 01:17 AM
Fix-it I love using bikes as rigged drones. Fast, manueve... Nov 30 2004, 01:32 AM
Tarantula QUOTE (Fix-it) I love using bikes as rigged drones... Nov 30 2004, 01:46 AM
lodestar QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Just to second what the Doc sai... Nov 30 2004, 02:19 AM
Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE The gyrostab unit that you need to enable yo... Nov 30 2004, 02:23 AM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (lodestar @ Nov 29 2004, 09:19 PM) not ... Nov 30 2004, 02:27 AM
Tarantula QUOTE (lodestar) Not to mention our rigger if he... Nov 30 2004, 02:41 AM
Eyeless Blond QUOTE (DrJest @ Nov 29 2004, 07:01 PM) I... Nov 30 2004, 03:24 AM
Kagetenshi Then you have small, supposedly nimble drones reac... Nov 30 2004, 03:28 AM
lodestar QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) QUOTE The gyrostab unit... Nov 30 2004, 03:48 AM
Kanada Ten Lodestar, are you trying to compare the game to re... Nov 30 2004, 03:57 AM
John Campbell Note that the raw weight of the vehicle has ABSOLU... Nov 30 2004, 03:59 AM
Kagetenshi Also note that the improved ability of the rigger ... Nov 30 2004, 04:04 AM
mmu1 QUOTE (BitBasher) QUOTE What's the real differ... Nov 30 2004, 04:04 AM
Shrapnel Interesting arguement, to say the least...
My ide... Nov 30 2004, 04:07 AM
Eyeless Blond QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Then you have small, supposedly... Nov 30 2004, 04:07 AM
Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE Why would anyone ever make a cyberzombie, wh... Nov 30 2004, 04:07 AM
Kanada Ten QUOTE Why would anyone ever make a cyberzombie, wh... Nov 30 2004, 04:08 AM
John Campbell Use a heavy anthroform, and you can skip the body-... Nov 30 2004, 04:55 AM
lodestar QUOTE (Kanada Ten) Lodestar, are you trying to com... Nov 30 2004, 05:34 AM
Kanada Ten No offense dude, but do you understand what the pu... Nov 30 2004, 05:38 AM
mmu1 QUOTE (Kanada Ten) QUOTE Why would anyone ever mak... Nov 30 2004, 05:38 AM
Kagetenshi If you brake a gyro, you can get a decent jump in ... Nov 30 2004, 05:38 AM
Kanada Ten QUOTE (mmu1) QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Nov 29 2004,... Nov 30 2004, 05:39 AM
Fix-it QUOTE (Tarantula) QUOTE (Fix-it @ Nov 29 2004... Nov 30 2004, 05:43 AM
akarenti QUOTE BS. Wanna tell me, in non-game terms, what t... Nov 30 2004, 05:48 AM
Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (Kanada Ten) Where are the rules on permanen... Nov 30 2004, 05:51 AM
Tarantula QUOTE (lodestar @ Nov 30 2004, 12:34 AM) No o... Nov 30 2004, 05:52 AM
Shrapnel Everybody's so busy arguing about Gyroscopic s... Nov 30 2004, 06:24 AM
Tarantula Shrapnel, heres my opinion (since you asked for it... Nov 30 2004, 06:28 AM
Kagetenshi Suggestion:
While driving a vehicle, unrigged and... Nov 30 2004, 06:35 AM
Crusher Bob Of course the problem here is the assumption that ... Nov 30 2004, 06:40 AM
Shrapnel QUOTE I'd say allow the half initiative bonus,... Nov 30 2004, 06:42 AM
Grinzwilly To get back to the original point of the post, sin... Nov 30 2004, 06:48 AM
Kagetenshi You could do the same with magic
~J Nov 30 2004, 06:59 AM
Eyeless Blond Well then it's not really Shadowrun is it?
I... Nov 30 2004, 07:17 AM
DrJest QUOTE No matter how skilled a person is at driving... Nov 30 2004, 10:09 AM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Eyeless Blond) Well then it's not reall... Nov 30 2004, 01:41 PM
Stumps I'm using Doc's idea from now on.
I like t... Nov 30 2004, 01:51 PM
Trashman Methinks, I opened a can of wyrms there...
I... Nov 30 2004, 02:02 PM
mmu1 QUOTE (akarenti) An anthroform drone doesn't h... Nov 30 2004, 02:26 PM
Kagetenshi A Body 3 large anthroform is also the size of a mi... Nov 30 2004, 02:50 PM
Tarantula QUOTE (mmu1 @ Nov 30 2004, 09:26 AM) A mechan... Nov 30 2004, 02:53 PM
Lantzer Of course. It definately is inconsistent, because... Nov 30 2004, 02:57 PM
Kagetenshi The reason they made a new scale of damage for veh... Nov 30 2004, 03:44 PM
Trashman Ah, missed Grinzwilly's post up there.
Defini... Nov 30 2004, 04:46 PM
lodestar Where does it say that a normal driver doesn't... Nov 30 2004, 05:16 PM
Kagetenshi Because the Black Box doesn't include a dataja... Nov 30 2004, 05:19 PM
John Campbell QUOTE (Kagetenshi) The reason they made a new scal... Nov 30 2004, 05:24 PM![]() ![]() |
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