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post Nov 29 2004, 01:19 PM
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It came up during the latest post-run discussions of my group:

Does one need a rigger or is it enough just to have someone who can drive like a madman?
To elaborate. Riggers in planes and helicopters are (almost) a reality in our dear quaint old fifth world. Granted. Seems reasonable viz. the microseconds you have in jets to decide whether to release the rocket or do the pacifist bit.
Now, riggers on streets are an entirely different kettle of fish. Depending on style of play, your group might not be exclusively stuck in urban free fire zones where a rigger might have to handle street code, on-board HMGs and that nifty SAM on top all at the same time. At least, I goad my group towards something one might call low-tech (hey, they're from the Barrens, they think spurs are SOTA). So my feeling is riggers basically come into their own mainly as getaway-drivers. They have to know their way around town, they have to be socially adaptively insane and they need to talk about their cars like that sad git in Full Metal Jacket did about his rifle 'Charlene'. The need for VCR never comes into it.
So you have sensors for that 360 degrees vista. Fine. And is there any space left for the runners?
So you (I quote one of the latest novels) can feel the rain on your hood. What's the use for that?
So your body movements are translated into car movements (Rigger III). Fat chance. Never known anybody who was better on all fours than on two legs.
I could go on.
There's obviously a reason for having riggers the way they are in SR. Samurai are Samurai. Nerds have become ultra-cool deckers, Magic-users are superhuman anyway. And then only include some poor slot who sits behind the wheel? Of course nobody wants to play that type.

What are your feelings?
(And don't burn me for the above. I'm putting this forward BECAUSE I want to be able to review my ideas about riggers)
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- Trashman   Rigger Soul-searching   Nov 29 2004, 01:19 PM
- - Cray74   I'm not sure what to say. Very rarely do I p...   Nov 29 2004, 02:23 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Trashman @ Nov 29 2004, 08:19 AM) Ther...   Nov 29 2004, 02:45 PM
- - toturi   Riggers are the runner artillery. They may not be ...   Nov 29 2004, 03:17 PM
- - Kagetenshi   -3 to TN to hit with SEG for LOS. Better bonus tha...   Nov 29 2004, 03:28 PM
- - CoalHeart   Up close and personal, I've seen riggers tear ...   Nov 29 2004, 03:31 PM
- - toturi   Actually, there are no Canon rules for such a vehi...   Nov 29 2004, 03:39 PM
- - Tarantula   Behold the steel lynx with some EnfieldAS-7/D shot...   Nov 29 2004, 04:09 PM
- - Trashman   Yes, well, how to put it to you gentlemen (and -wo...   Nov 29 2004, 04:45 PM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Tarantula) Behold the steel lynx with some ...   Nov 29 2004, 04:46 PM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Trashman) I'd rather agree with Cray74 ...   Nov 29 2004, 04:56 PM
- - jezryaldar   QUOTE I was thinking in terms of roleplaying and c...   Nov 29 2004, 05:01 PM
- - Tarantula   QUOTE (Trashman) I was thinking in terms of rolepl...   Nov 29 2004, 05:37 PM
- - Toxic_Waste   You should always have the best possible getaway d...   Nov 29 2004, 05:43 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I really hate VCRs. I just hate everything about ...   Nov 29 2004, 06:07 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)I really hate VCRs. Well...   Nov 29 2004, 06:16 PM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 29 2004, 06:0...   Nov 29 2004, 06:16 PM
- - Crusher Bob   Hmm, if your dikoted ally spirit is in vehicle for...   Nov 29 2004, 06:25 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Trashman) Having some geek sitting back for...   Nov 29 2004, 06:26 PM
- - lodestar   Ok here we go in defence of the poor rigger. Firs...   Nov 29 2004, 08:01 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE Secondly lets look at the heart of the rigge...   Nov 29 2004, 08:09 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Just to second what the Doc said, Control Pool, Re...   Nov 29 2004, 08:31 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   What really bothers me about riggers is how much t...   Nov 29 2004, 08:40 PM
- - Kagetenshi   That's not entirely true, you can use combat p...   Nov 29 2004, 08:47 PM
- - Lindt   Im thinking there is a misconception here. If you...   Nov 29 2004, 08:48 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond) I guess what I'm saying ...   Nov 29 2004, 08:51 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Note that my proposal (while I failed to mention i...   Nov 29 2004, 08:59 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I personally love the comatose thing. Same with de...   Nov 29 2004, 09:08 PM
- - Tarantula   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) The thing I hate most a...   Nov 29 2004, 09:10 PM
- - mmu1   If I were God, I'd change two things about the...   Nov 29 2004, 09:26 PM
- - Lantzer   Note that any rigger who spends his active time co...   Nov 29 2004, 09:42 PM
- - Lantzer   As examples of interesting hybrid characters: Doc...   Nov 29 2004, 09:48 PM
- - Kagetenshi   If a Rigger has a VCR-3 and a good natural Reactio...   Nov 29 2004, 09:49 PM
- - Bigity   Hmm, that just gave me an idea for a question.. I...   Nov 29 2004, 10:05 PM
- - ES_Riddle   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Just to second what the Doc sai...   Nov 29 2004, 10:19 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Yes. Potentially, they could bridge a connection f...   Nov 29 2004, 10:20 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE Because you can't rig bikes. You most ce...   Nov 29 2004, 10:26 PM
- - ES_Riddle   That's what I get for posting about riggers wh...   Nov 29 2004, 10:31 PM
- - Kagetenshi   My current Rigger sits in the driver's seat be...   Nov 29 2004, 10:38 PM
- - mfb   psh. my rigger is never in the car at all. she sit...   Nov 29 2004, 10:42 PM
- - Tarantula   I had one rigger of mine (a dwarf) strap himself i...   Nov 29 2004, 10:44 PM
- - Kagetenshi   What I would have done is let him drive for a whil...   Nov 29 2004, 10:47 PM
- - Tarantula   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) What I would have done is let h...   Nov 29 2004, 10:49 PM
- - Kagetenshi   True. Ok, I still say you should have taken him fo...   Nov 29 2004, 10:54 PM
- - Tarantula   Is it scarier when you can't see anything and ...   Nov 29 2004, 11:04 PM
- - Cain   Trashman: As others here have mentioned, you'r...   Nov 29 2004, 11:26 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Tarantula) Is it scarier when you can't...   Nov 29 2004, 11:40 PM
- - mfb   indeed. that's what my rigger does. two LS-9s ...   Nov 29 2004, 11:57 PM
- - DrJest   Although it's been a while since I read it, Wa...   Nov 30 2004, 12:01 AM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (DrJest) That's the reason for control p...   Nov 30 2004, 12:29 AM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE What's the real difference, at that poin...   Nov 30 2004, 01:03 AM
- - toturi   You can suffer dumpshock from using that drone. An...   Nov 30 2004, 01:17 AM
- - Fix-it   I love using bikes as rigged drones. Fast, manueve...   Nov 30 2004, 01:32 AM
- - Tarantula   QUOTE (Fix-it) I love using bikes as rigged drones...   Nov 30 2004, 01:46 AM
- - lodestar   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Just to second what the Doc sai...   Nov 30 2004, 02:19 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE The gyrostab unit that you need to enable yo...   Nov 30 2004, 02:23 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (lodestar @ Nov 29 2004, 09:19 PM) not ...   Nov 30 2004, 02:27 AM
- - Tarantula   QUOTE (lodestar) Not to mention our rigger if he...   Nov 30 2004, 02:41 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (DrJest @ Nov 29 2004, 07:01 PM) I...   Nov 30 2004, 03:24 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Then you have small, supposedly nimble drones reac...   Nov 30 2004, 03:28 AM
- - lodestar   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) QUOTE The gyrostab unit...   Nov 30 2004, 03:48 AM
- - Kanada Ten   Lodestar, are you trying to compare the game to re...   Nov 30 2004, 03:57 AM
- - John Campbell   Note that the raw weight of the vehicle has ABSOLU...   Nov 30 2004, 03:59 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Also note that the improved ability of the rigger ...   Nov 30 2004, 04:04 AM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (BitBasher) QUOTE What's the real differ...   Nov 30 2004, 04:04 AM
- - Shrapnel   Interesting arguement, to say the least... My ide...   Nov 30 2004, 04:07 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Then you have small, supposedly...   Nov 30 2004, 04:07 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE Why would anyone ever make a cyberzombie, wh...   Nov 30 2004, 04:07 AM
- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE Why would anyone ever make a cyberzombie, wh...   Nov 30 2004, 04:08 AM
- - John Campbell   Use a heavy anthroform, and you can skip the body-...   Nov 30 2004, 04:55 AM
- - lodestar   QUOTE (Kanada Ten) Lodestar, are you trying to com...   Nov 30 2004, 05:34 AM
- - Kanada Ten   No offense dude, but do you understand what the pu...   Nov 30 2004, 05:38 AM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Kanada Ten) QUOTE Why would anyone ever mak...   Nov 30 2004, 05:38 AM
- - Kagetenshi   If you brake a gyro, you can get a decent jump in ...   Nov 30 2004, 05:38 AM
- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE (mmu1) QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Nov 29 2004,...   Nov 30 2004, 05:39 AM
- - Fix-it   QUOTE (Tarantula) QUOTE (Fix-it @ Nov 29 2004...   Nov 30 2004, 05:43 AM
- - akarenti   QUOTE BS. Wanna tell me, in non-game terms, what t...   Nov 30 2004, 05:48 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Kanada Ten) Where are the rules on permanen...   Nov 30 2004, 05:51 AM
- - Tarantula   QUOTE (lodestar @ Nov 30 2004, 12:34 AM) No o...   Nov 30 2004, 05:52 AM
- - Shrapnel   Everybody's so busy arguing about Gyroscopic s...   Nov 30 2004, 06:24 AM
- - Tarantula   Shrapnel, heres my opinion (since you asked for it...   Nov 30 2004, 06:28 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Suggestion: While driving a vehicle, unrigged and...   Nov 30 2004, 06:35 AM
- - Crusher Bob   Of course the problem here is the assumption that ...   Nov 30 2004, 06:40 AM
- - Shrapnel   QUOTE I'd say allow the half initiative bonus,...   Nov 30 2004, 06:42 AM
- - Grinzwilly   To get back to the original point of the post, sin...   Nov 30 2004, 06:48 AM
- - Kagetenshi   You could do the same with magic ~J   Nov 30 2004, 06:59 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Well then it's not really Shadowrun is it? I...   Nov 30 2004, 07:17 AM
- - DrJest   QUOTE No matter how skilled a person is at driving...   Nov 30 2004, 10:09 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond) Well then it's not reall...   Nov 30 2004, 01:41 PM
- - Stumps   I'm using Doc's idea from now on. I like t...   Nov 30 2004, 01:51 PM
- - Trashman   Methinks, I opened a can of wyrms there... I...   Nov 30 2004, 02:02 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (akarenti) An anthroform drone doesn't h...   Nov 30 2004, 02:26 PM
- - Kagetenshi   A Body 3 large anthroform is also the size of a mi...   Nov 30 2004, 02:50 PM
- - Tarantula   QUOTE (mmu1 @ Nov 30 2004, 09:26 AM) A mechan...   Nov 30 2004, 02:53 PM
- - Lantzer   Of course. It definately is inconsistent, because...   Nov 30 2004, 02:57 PM
- - Kagetenshi   The reason they made a new scale of damage for veh...   Nov 30 2004, 03:44 PM
- - Trashman   Ah, missed Grinzwilly's post up there. Defini...   Nov 30 2004, 04:46 PM
- - lodestar   Where does it say that a normal driver doesn't...   Nov 30 2004, 05:16 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Because the Black Box doesn't include a dataja...   Nov 30 2004, 05:19 PM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) The reason they made a new scal...   Nov 30 2004, 05:24 PM
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