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Deacon
post Feb 3 2005, 12:36 PM
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Is there any explanation why cyber radios cost so much essence in Shadowrun?

As it is, a radio costs .75 essence and isn't even half as useful as most other kinds of cyberware. In order to get the ability to broadcast silently, you have to get an additional piece of cyberware; in order to scan channels, you need something else that's also additional. A cyber-forearm costs less essence and you can stick a micro-transceiver or a personal comm in it, link it for mental control with DNI, sure it costs more money but it's much more essence-friendly.

A cyberphone costs .5 essence -- why? Cellular phones use the SAME technology!

I know that the radio's been .75 essence and the phone's .5 since the first edition, and I know the technology is based on 1980's concepts of the dark future (and not the advances in wireless technology that we know today), but my players aren't from the 1980's -- they're children of the twenty-first century, and they want to know why they need to spend more for a radio in their head than they do cybereyes which can see in the frickin' dark, display an image inside your own field of view and even more stuff.

Has anyone ever come up with a satisfactory explanation for this? (Besides what I said above, I mean.)
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- Deacon   Radios   Feb 3 2005, 12:36 PM
- - Kyuhan   There was a thread on this not that long ago, iirc...   Feb 3 2005, 12:53 PM
- - Demosthenes   I can't offer an explanation. I can offer a h...   Feb 3 2005, 12:59 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I have absolutely no idea if it's what the des...   Feb 3 2005, 01:41 PM
- - Demosthenes   So put the antenna far away from your head, and pu...   Feb 3 2005, 01:46 PM
- - Nikoli   No, the internal remote deck had a flux of 0, the ...   Feb 3 2005, 01:52 PM
- - Kagetenshi   It would make a bit too much sense. I mean, god fo...   Feb 3 2005, 01:54 PM
- - mfb   behold, cybercommunications which do not suck.   Feb 3 2005, 02:00 PM
- - Method   Get a DJ, a transducer and an external router. Ho...   Feb 3 2005, 04:13 PM
- - hobgoblin   remeber that when the rules where written the radi...   Feb 3 2005, 04:56 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   When we first started to question the cost of the ...   Feb 3 2005, 05:48 PM
- - hahnsoo   It's grandfathered in from SR1. That's the...   Feb 3 2005, 06:47 PM
- - BitBasher   I dropped essence cost to .35. It made all my Lone...   Feb 3 2005, 08:33 PM
- - DrJest   tbh, I'd drop it even lower; I don't see w...   Feb 3 2005, 11:33 PM
- - Kanada Ten   Just make it satellite radio... XM straight to t...   Feb 4 2005, 12:05 AM
- - BitBasher   QUOTE (Kanada Ten) Just make it satellite radio......   Feb 4 2005, 12:37 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (mfb) behold, cybercommunications which do n...   Feb 4 2005, 12:37 AM
- - mfb   i want one of those pills.   Feb 4 2005, 12:41 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Same here. Although I'd prefer they were perm...   Feb 4 2005, 12:46 AM
- - Deacon   So here's the sixty-four dollar question... co...   Feb 4 2005, 04:04 AM
- - The Grifter   Just a little side-note here. For anyone who has/...   Feb 4 2005, 04:10 AM
- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE So here's the sixty-four dollar questio...   Feb 4 2005, 04:11 AM
- - The Grifter   I think the implanted headphone would be much more...   Feb 4 2005, 04:12 AM
- - Kanada Ten   Meh, you have to be somewhere with a cell network ...   Feb 4 2005, 04:22 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   I need to create a v2.0 of my commo headset that r...   Feb 4 2005, 05:19 AM
- - Kanada Ten   Well, my advice is to get a subdermal induction da...   Feb 4 2005, 05:20 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   It's for a non-cyber rig to provide the interf...   Feb 4 2005, 05:28 AM
- - Necro Tech   Get a DNI linked device in a cyberarm or body comp...   Feb 4 2005, 05:28 AM
- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0) For some reason I just fel...   Feb 4 2005, 05:32 AM
- - Necro Tech   Why do they suck in cannon? The security helmets c...   Feb 4 2005, 05:39 AM
- - Kanada Ten   Yeah, helmets are cool; 'trode rigs suck. Hel...   Feb 4 2005, 05:50 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Feb 3 2005, 10:32 PM) QUO...   Feb 4 2005, 06:11 AM
- - mfb   i allow trode rigs to be concealed in bandannas, h...   Feb 4 2005, 07:11 AM
- - Necro Tech   Trode Jacks: 500 always, legal. There you go.   Feb 4 2005, 07:25 AM
- - Fortune   I think there should be some disadvantage when not...   Feb 4 2005, 10:45 AM
- - Nikoli   From what I understand, trodes are fine. That is,...   Feb 4 2005, 01:26 PM
- - GrinderTheTroll   QUOTE (The Grifter) I think the implanted headphon...   Feb 4 2005, 06:05 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Well, for decking... Yeah. I'm not saying that...   Feb 4 2005, 06:23 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll @ Feb 4 2005, 11:05 AM...   Feb 4 2005, 06:31 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0) The transducer would proba...   Feb 4 2005, 07:19 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Indeed. I should have remembered that. Back to th...   Feb 4 2005, 07:22 PM
- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll) QUOTE (The Grifter @ ...   Feb 6 2005, 02:46 PM
- - Snow_Fox   QUOTE (Demosthenes) So put the antenna far away fr...   Feb 6 2005, 02:53 PM
- - Starfurie   QUOTE (Nikoli) From what I understand, trodes are ...   Feb 6 2005, 04:08 PM
- - Starfurie   QUOTE (Snow_Fox) QUOTE (Demosthenes @ Feb 3 2...   Feb 6 2005, 04:09 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (hobgoblin) at a point in time cpus and memo...   Feb 6 2005, 04:42 PM
- - Snow_Fox   QUOTE (Starfurie) QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Feb 6 200...   Feb 7 2005, 02:49 AM
- - Arethusa   Who's to stop you from setting up a phone to w...   Feb 7 2005, 03:44 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (Arethusa) Who's to stop you from settin...   Feb 7 2005, 06:04 AM
- - Arethusa   Erm, I think decking in general is assumed to func...   Feb 7 2005, 06:39 AM
- - SirKodiak   The single number thing is completely not an issue...   Feb 7 2005, 07:19 AM
- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Feb 6 2005, 06:42 PM) QUO...   Feb 7 2005, 02:09 PM
- - Adam   A graphics technology is "eye candy" -- ...   Feb 7 2005, 02:18 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   QUOTE (SirKodiak @ Feb 7 2005, 12:19 AM) The ...   Feb 7 2005, 02:44 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (hobgoblin) quartz extreme, coreimage and av...   Feb 7 2005, 03:08 PM
- - hobgoblin   there have been special 2d accelerators available ...   Feb 7 2005, 08:05 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Example: drop shadows allow for fast and easy iden...   Feb 7 2005, 08:09 PM
- - hobgoblin   i never had a problem iding the currently active w...   Feb 7 2005, 08:32 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   This is why I love Dumpshock...   Feb 7 2005, 09:04 PM
- - hobgoblin   hmm, how to read that post...   Feb 7 2005, 09:48 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Treat the sarcasm like barbeque sauce and just sop...   Feb 7 2005, 09:59 PM
- - mfb   just because you, personally, don't find drop ...   Feb 7 2005, 10:15 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   To paraphrase mfb: Looking good is an utility in i...   Feb 7 2005, 10:20 PM
- - hobgoblin   hrmf, want real transparent while moved? turn on c...   Feb 7 2005, 11:39 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Even hammers have taken a turn for the aesthetical...   Feb 8 2005, 12:50 AM
- - mfb   a hammer colored like a toy isn't aestheticall...   Feb 8 2005, 12:57 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Anyway, when you're looking at making a hammer...   Feb 8 2005, 01:23 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   What the Hell am I doing talking about mothereffin...   Feb 8 2005, 01:27 AM
- - SirKodiak   QUOTE OTOH, has anyone else tweaked out personal c...   Feb 8 2005, 03:38 AM
- - hobgoblin   for linux and guis, both gnome and kde comes to mi...   Feb 8 2005, 04:08 AM
- - Kagetenshi   I use bash and tcsh regularly. I still have to loo...   Feb 8 2005, 04:15 AM
- - Edward   My usual solution is to take datajack, external tr...   Feb 8 2005, 09:23 AM
- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) I use bash and tcsh regularly. ...   Feb 8 2005, 03:26 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I don't use rsync all that often I remember t...   Feb 8 2005, 04:24 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   My hammer comment was based on the original commen...   Feb 8 2005, 07:33 PM
- - hobgoblin   i dont have a problem ending it here, as this deba...   Feb 8 2005, 10:49 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Oh, the cords to the pickups ended at a wireless t...   Feb 8 2005, 11:16 PM
- - Adam   QUOTE (hobgoblin) i dont have a problem ending it ...   Feb 8 2005, 11:24 PM
- - hobgoblin   that reminded me of some of the tech found in d20 ...   Feb 8 2005, 11:28 PM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Ah, cool. I just wanted to provide context for my ...   Feb 9 2005, 12:10 AM


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