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Lucyfersam
post Apr 5 2005, 04:59 AM
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So, the longer I think about the new mechanic, the more upset I'm becoming with it, not really with the fixed TN, but with the elimination of dice pools as we know them. Pools are probably my favorite part of the SR system, and their loss is a major blow to the quality of the system. IMO they are pretty close to the perfect way to show focus on actions during a combat turn.

Given the stated elimination of dice pools, what will replace their function? Will all actions now be equal (please no, I like a little bit of variability based on the importance of the action)? Will they completely crib the WW system and institute pool splitting (please no, this is the worst system I've ever seen for this, I've hated it in every WW game I've ever played)? One person suggested a more frequently refreshing Karma Pool that can be cheaply used to buy dice. This is not a bad suggestion, could work as long as Karma Pool refreshes very regularly and can still be used to buy re-rolls and remain balanced (which seems... difficult). I'm not sure what I would recommend, it will require a little more thought, but there needs to be something. Please.
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- Lucyfersam   Pools and what will replace them   Apr 5 2005, 04:59 AM
- - mfb   i agree completely. the ability to increase your c...   Apr 5 2005, 05:09 AM
- - sapphire_wyvern   QUOTE (Lucyfersam) So, the longer I think about th...   Apr 5 2005, 05:22 AM
- - mfb   eh. as much a proponent of SR4 as i've been, i...   Apr 5 2005, 04:17 AM
- - Lucyfersam   If dice pools are all I need to fix, I might house...   Apr 5 2005, 05:36 AM
- - lord_cack   I think that maybe something like "Action Poi...   Apr 5 2005, 05:29 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   Action Points are basically the Karma Pool of D20....   Apr 5 2005, 06:49 AM
- - Critias   I'm more likely to stick with SR3 than make an...   Apr 5 2005, 07:41 AM
- - mfb   if SR4 sucks, and a venue exists to continue playi...   Apr 5 2005, 06:36 AM
- - SporkPimp   How about some kind of point that you can spend to...   Apr 5 2005, 06:37 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (mfb) if SR4 sucks, and a venue exists to co...   Apr 5 2005, 06:41 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) ... Shadows of the Sixth World ...   Apr 5 2005, 07:52 AM
- - Critias   To be honest, I'm already thinking about just ...   Apr 5 2005, 06:48 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 5 2005, 02:52 AM) QUOTE ...   Apr 5 2005, 08:00 AM
- - mfb   yeah. i feel like a kid in December who's just...   Apr 5 2005, 08:02 AM
- - Critias   And whose parents, while in the middle of mentioni...   Apr 5 2005, 07:44 AM
- - NightHaunter   The dice pools, which were based on attributes, ha...   Apr 5 2005, 10:18 AM
- - Critias   Right, I understand that attributes are still impo...   Apr 5 2005, 09:25 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) We don't post much, even le...   Apr 5 2005, 09:39 AM
- - NightHaunter   QUOTE (Critias) Right, I understand that attribute...   Apr 5 2005, 09:59 AM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 5 200...   Apr 5 2005, 12:31 PM
- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (Critias) What I do mind is that it seems li...   Apr 5 2005, 12:32 PM
- - Spookymonster   There are some interesting implications to the dis...   Apr 5 2005, 12:34 PM
- - Synner   QUOTE (Spookymonster) If I no longer have to balan...   Apr 5 2005, 01:58 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   You know, it's possible that in the SR4 system...   Apr 5 2005, 02:14 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond)Sound like a possibility? Dun...   Apr 5 2005, 02:22 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond) You know, it's possible ...   Apr 5 2005, 02:23 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   Also keep in mind that a lot of you are working on...   Apr 5 2005, 01:20 PM
- - NightHaunter   QUOTE (Demonseed Elite) Also keep in mind that a l...   Apr 5 2005, 01:24 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   And out of those four, what would say is the most ...   Apr 5 2005, 01:24 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) QUOTE (Eyeless Blond)S...   Apr 5 2005, 02:34 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Demonseed Elite)Which is the one that every...   Apr 5 2005, 01:29 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   I thought you were already having a fit? Anyway...   Apr 5 2005, 01:33 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Demonseed Elite)I thought you were already ...   Apr 5 2005, 02:46 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I find it best to just forget about the mechanics ...   Apr 5 2005, 01:42 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   I really don't know that it would work anythin...   Apr 5 2005, 01:44 PM
- - NightHaunter   QUOTE (Demonseed Elite) And out of those four, wha...   Apr 5 2005, 01:45 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)I'm all but certain ...   Apr 5 2005, 02:55 PM
- - hermit   At least in my campaign, NPCs get Karma Pool on to...   Apr 5 2005, 02:04 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (hermit)At least in my campaign, NPCs get Ka...   Apr 5 2005, 03:20 PM
- - hermit   Too bad. It makes every fight a true challenge. It...   Apr 5 2005, 03:30 PM
- - mfb   huh. Eyeless's idea is interesting, but fairly...   Apr 5 2005, 02:57 PM
- - Lucyfersam   The option of karma pool to replace the rest of th...   Apr 5 2005, 03:30 PM
- - Pthgar   I would love to see a general pool (Karma or whate...   Apr 5 2005, 04:48 PM
- - Aristotle   *nod* I agree, I liked the tactical aspect of pool...   Apr 5 2005, 05:22 PM
- - Pthgar   QUOTE (Aristotle) ...Everything you said... Ab...   Apr 5 2005, 06:00 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Just curious: do you feel that, were Karma Pool fo...   Apr 5 2005, 07:30 PM
- - mfb   i don't think it should be a simple karma prog...   Apr 5 2005, 07:36 PM
- - Pthgar   I think I would want an initialy higher number, sa...   Apr 5 2005, 06:28 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) Just curious: do you f...   Apr 5 2005, 06:29 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (mfb) i don't think it should be a simpl...   Apr 5 2005, 06:31 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (blakkie)If you get Attribute # of dice per ...   Apr 5 2005, 07:53 PM
- - mfb   hm. actually, now that i think about it, i don...   Apr 5 2005, 08:04 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (mfb)actually, now that i think about it, i ...   Apr 5 2005, 08:08 PM
- - mfb   you mean... wait, huh? i'm talking about scrap...   Apr 5 2005, 07:08 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Assuming you still allowed Good Karma gained to ad...   Apr 5 2005, 07:39 PM
- - Aristotle   In either case a rule, like the one from SR3, limi...   Apr 5 2005, 09:53 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   How about the idea of just not bothering with ...   Apr 5 2005, 09:00 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   What pool (apart from KP) would stand in for Comba...   Apr 5 2005, 09:24 PM
- - Aristotle   The other thing to keep in mind here is the size o...   Apr 5 2005, 09:24 PM
- - mfb   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)Assuming you still allo...   Apr 5 2005, 10:37 PM
- - Pthgar   Also don't forget that a "good" amou...   Apr 5 2005, 09:37 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) What pool (apart from ...   Apr 5 2005, 11:47 PM
- - GunnerJ   I've always felt dodging should be a skill. Re...   Apr 6 2005, 12:31 AM
- - mfb   here's one way you could adapt the dice pool c...   Apr 6 2005, 12:32 AM
- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (mfb) here's one way you could adapt the...   Apr 6 2005, 07:47 AM


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