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post Apr 7 2005, 04:03 PM
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With all those Rockster, Cityspeak etc threads I remembered an old idea of SR1.
In the old Grimoire there was an rather interesting definition of magic which later wasn't used again. I'll just quote:
QUOTE (The Grimoire(SR1) @ p.51)

One definition of magic is the ability to go mad in a very specific way for a limited time. On a psychological level, a spell is an induced neurosis or even a psychosis, created for a splitsecond to channel psychic energy in a particular way.


I think that idea is rather fascinating, and it could be interesting to bring it back with SR4.
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- Skyrock   Magic as madness   Apr 7 2005, 04:03 PM
- - warrior_allanon   you have to realize that this is a hermetics defin...   Apr 8 2005, 03:19 AM
- - Fester   hermetisicm is calculated madness awakened peopl...   Apr 8 2005, 05:05 AM
- - Bull   Shadowrun's books have always been, to some de...   Apr 8 2005, 05:13 AM
- - Crimsondude 2.0   Oh, for the love of god... I can't take it any...   Apr 8 2005, 03:32 PM
- - Bull   What, you exect people to actually look in the boo...   Apr 8 2005, 04:09 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (warrior_allanon) you have to realize that t...   Apr 8 2005, 04:13 PM
- - Ellery   Magic as madness never made sense to me. If it...   Apr 8 2005, 05:24 PM
- - Wireknight   Trolls aren't the devil reborn?   Apr 8 2005, 05:50 PM
- - Skyrock   QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0)Magic as Madness is in MitS...   Apr 8 2005, 06:07 PM
- - hermit   That'd be a rather ridiculously demanding syst...   Apr 8 2005, 06:19 PM
- - Ellery   I've done similar things in the AD&D setti...   Apr 8 2005, 06:22 PM
- - Kagetenshi   On that topic, I'd like to see a shift away fr...   Apr 8 2005, 06:27 PM
- - Ellery   I don't see that anything has happened in the ...   Apr 8 2005, 06:39 PM
- - Skyrock   It wouldn't be a major revision... It would on...   Apr 8 2005, 06:43 PM
- - kryton   I dunno I always sort of thought both the Shamanic...   Apr 8 2005, 06:43 PM
- - mfb   i think magic-as-madness is an interesting option....   Apr 8 2005, 07:18 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (mfb) ideally, i want to be able to do a tes...   Apr 8 2005, 07:28 PM
- - Dawnshadow   QUOTE (kryton) I dunno I always sort of thought bo...   Apr 8 2005, 07:30 PM
- - Tanka   QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (mfb @ Apr 9 2005, 05:1...   Apr 8 2005, 07:32 PM
- - Ellery   QUOTE It wouldn't be a major revision... It w...   Apr 8 2005, 07:37 PM
- - mfb   QUOTE (Fortune)I'm not sure what you mean, Are...   Apr 8 2005, 07:37 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Ellery) Right. And Daniel Howling Coyote, ...   Apr 8 2005, 07:38 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (mfb) no, i'm saying that things like ...   Apr 8 2005, 07:45 PM
- - Critias   Magic shapes itself. Your beleif in it is only yo...   Apr 8 2005, 07:52 PM
- - Ellery   Well, DHC got the Great Ghost Dance to work, and i...   Apr 8 2005, 07:54 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Critias @ Apr 9 2005, 05:52 AM) Magic ...   Apr 8 2005, 08:00 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Fortune @ Apr 8 2005, 03:00 PM) Harnes...   Apr 8 2005, 08:12 PM
- - Fortune   Gravity isn't Magic. I was specifically talkin...   Apr 8 2005, 08:15 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Ah, your "harnessing is shaping" stateme...   Apr 8 2005, 08:22 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Ah, your "harnessing is sh...   Apr 8 2005, 08:28 PM
- - Critias   Or is it the other way around? Does someone summo...   Apr 8 2005, 08:29 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Indeed. Can you demonstrate that they are really c...   Apr 8 2005, 08:31 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Indeed. Can you demonstrate tha...   Apr 8 2005, 08:34 PM
- - mfb   that's not what it says at all, unless i misre...   Apr 8 2005, 08:41 PM
- - Kagetenshi   But that's just overcoming or altering persona...   Apr 8 2005, 08:43 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (mfb)that's not what it says at all, unl...   Apr 8 2005, 08:44 PM
- - Kagetenshi   But not that it shapes magic. ~J   Apr 8 2005, 08:45 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 9 2005, 06:43 AM) ......   Apr 8 2005, 08:47 PM
- - mfb   it's evidence that magic and belief are linked...   Apr 8 2005, 08:50 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Moreover, there's no requirement that a charac...   Apr 8 2005, 08:54 PM
- - warrior_allanon   alright you can shoot me if you must but i have th...   Apr 8 2005, 11:45 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (warrior_allanon) alright you can shoot me i...   Apr 10 2005, 09:18 PM
- - Ellery   I think the reason that playing toxic threats is n...   Apr 10 2005, 09:46 PM
- - Sepherim   As for magic and madness, it really seems more apr...   Apr 11 2005, 12:23 AM
- - Kesh   QUOTE (Ellery) If belief doesn't shape magic, ...   Apr 11 2005, 02:05 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Sepherim) Still, I must bring forward one e...   Apr 11 2005, 05:47 AM
- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (Ellery)I think the reason that playing toxi...   Apr 11 2005, 10:09 PM


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