 Vampire: The M/R vs Shadowrun 4 |
 Jun 3 2005, 07:28 PM
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In another thread I was quoted as saying that Vampire and Shadowrun 4 bear "no resemblance to each other". Much care has been taken to point out that everything I have said about the subject is wrong because I stated that there is "no resemblance" when there is, in fact, smilarity.
I'm starting this thread to be a discussion of how the fixed target number, attribute + skill +/- situational modifier, multiple dice per roll game system and how it relates to Vampire. First of all I'd like to point out that the nWoD fixed TN is 8 on a d10 whereas the TN of SR4 is 5 on a d6. From a mathematical/statistical perspective, there's a 33.33~% of a SR4 success, but only a 30% chance of a nWoD success. So, even at their most basic level, the games are very different. Now, just to start this off, what do the games have in common, besides their dice system? |
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Nerbert Vampire: The M/R vs Shadowrun 4 Jun 3 2005, 07:28 PM
Eldritch QUOTE First of all I'd like to point out that ... Jun 3 2005, 07:39 PM Nerbert Ask any d20 player about how important a 5% differ... Jun 3 2005, 07:46 PM Critias Hahahah. A 3.3 percent difference in probability ... Jun 3 2005, 07:46 PM Nerbert This is exactly my point. Fixed TN is so utterly ... Jun 3 2005, 07:49 PM Critias No. That isn't your point, or you wouldn... Jun 3 2005, 07:57 PM Nerbert The simple fact of the matter is that every time a... Jun 3 2005, 08:03 PM Critias I just said what you said. I acknowledged that wa... Jun 3 2005, 08:07 PM Bigity Maybe Shadowrun needs an Insanity mechanic, like W... Jun 3 2005, 08:23 PM Nerbert Critias, losing Humanity is a CORE MECHANIC of Vam... Jun 3 2005, 08:24 PM Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (Bigity) Maybe Shadowrun needs an Insanity m... Jun 3 2005, 08:24 PM frostPDP Nerbert, in another forum I mentioned something ab... Jun 3 2005, 08:33 PM nezumi QUOTE (Nerbert) The simple fact of the matter is t... Jun 3 2005, 08:36 PM Shadow I think a definition of what a "Core Mechanic... Jun 3 2005, 08:45 PM Nerbert See, but the assumption is that because the core d... Jun 3 2005, 08:56 PM frostPDP I seperate (In my messed-up mind) the mechanic int... Jun 3 2005, 09:02 PM Cain QUOTE (Nerbert) The simple fact of the matter is t... Jun 3 2005, 09:15 PM Nerbert nWoD is mortals, vampires, werewolves and mages. ... Jun 3 2005, 09:21 PM nezumi QUOTE (Nerbert) See, but the assumption is that be... Jun 3 2005, 09:21 PM frostPDP - Sorry Kagetenshi, had to steal it for this one.
... Jun 3 2005, 09:28 PM Nerbert FrostPDP, you're talkign about Vampire: the Re... Jun 3 2005, 09:36 PM Kagetenshi QUOTE (frostPDP) - Sorry Kagetenshi, had to stea... Jun 3 2005, 09:42 PM frostPDP Hehe Kage, but you're cool so I felt like givi... Jun 3 2005, 09:44 PM Cain QUOTE nWoD is mortals, vampires, werewolves and ma... Jun 3 2005, 09:56 PM Nerbert When I picked up SR3 I thought "Oh hey, multi... Jun 3 2005, 09:58 PM Nerbert Cain, morality is a fundamental part of the NEW Wo... Jun 3 2005, 10:00 PM frostPDP Completelllly ignoring the fact that att + skill +... Jun 3 2005, 10:04 PM Nerbert Attribute + Skill +/- Modifiers
First of all, Vam... Jun 3 2005, 10:12 PM frostPDP ...Lemme see if I can include the new skills prope... Jun 3 2005, 10:29 PM Nerbert Those aren't skills, those are attributes.
I... Jun 3 2005, 10:36 PM Eldritch QUOTE (Nerbert) Ask any d20 player about how impor... Jun 3 2005, 10:45 PM frostPDP Sure I addressed it; earlier, when discussing how,... Jun 3 2005, 10:48 PM Nerbert That was Masquerade again. Requiem has no thresho... Jun 3 2005, 10:49 PM frostPDP Well, recalling the name of the forum for a moment... Jun 3 2005, 10:58 PM Nerbert Anyway. Its true that the two mechanics are the s... Jun 3 2005, 11:04 PM Eldritch QUOTE And anyway, if you're going to steal, st... Jun 3 2005, 11:13 PM Nerbert heh, White Wolf is the second best. And they stol... Jun 3 2005, 11:18 PM Shadow See I think the thing you are missing is that we d... Jun 3 2005, 11:21 PM Nerbert I think the thing that you're missing is that ... Jun 3 2005, 11:23 PM Shadow But the only thing we have to go on is that the tw... Jun 3 2005, 11:28 PM Adam QUOTE Er, According to Synner's report on mark... Jun 3 2005, 11:30 PM Nerbert Shadow, I've explained my evidence all through... Jun 3 2005, 11:29 PM Cochise QUOTE (Nerbert)Anyway. Its true that the two... Jun 3 2005, 11:36 PM frostPDP The difference between SR3 and 4 will be almost li... Jun 3 2005, 11:57 PM Nerbert Now that I absolutely agree with. Jun 4 2005, 12:01 AM Eldritch QUOTE (Adam) QUOTE Er, According to Synner's r... Jun 4 2005, 12:04 AM Cynic project QUOTE (Shadow) But the only thing we have to go on... Jun 4 2005, 01:11 AM Shadow QUOTE (frostPDP) The difference between SR3 and 4 ... Jun 4 2005, 04:22 AM Nerbert See, Neverwinter Nights is straight up 3rd edition... Jun 4 2005, 04:29 AM Eldritch QUOTE Suddenly 15 years later that isn't good ... Jun 4 2005, 04:37 AM Nerbert Wow, yeah, if they're not thinking of the DSF ... Jun 4 2005, 04:47 AM Critias Nerbert, maybe I'm just missing something here... Jun 4 2005, 05:42 AM Nerbert I've stated my purpose for this thread earlier... Jun 4 2005, 06:06 AM Shadow QUOTE (Nerbert @ Jun 3 2005, 08:29 PM) See, N... Jun 4 2005, 06:09 AM Nerbert QUOTE (Nerbert)I'm definitely not arguing that... Jun 4 2005, 06:16 AM Shadow I think you are escaping what I am saying. If you ... Jun 4 2005, 06:20 AM Critias So, okay, right. You're just arguing with you... Jun 4 2005, 06:22 AM Nerbert I'm not arguing with myself because people kee... Jun 4 2005, 06:25 AM Critias Got any links to all these posts where everyone... Jun 4 2005, 06:38 AM Fortune QUOTE (Nerbert) I'm not arguing with myself ..... Jun 4 2005, 06:44 AM Nerbert QUOTE (frostPDP)Basically, the game has become Vam... Jun 4 2005, 06:45 AM Critias QUOTE (Fortune) As for the 3.3% thing, I'm sur... Jun 4 2005, 06:49 AM Fortune In my experiences in discussing the SR4 mechanic w... Jun 4 2005, 07:02 AM Critias Well, according to Nerbert, all those people you t... Jun 4 2005, 07:02 AM Nerbert I love it. The two stupidest things I've said... Jun 4 2005, 07:14 AM Shadow QUOTE (Nerbert) I love it. The two stupidest thin... Jun 4 2005, 07:16 AM Nerbert ha ha ha. Too late. Its good that I know no fear... Jun 4 2005, 07:20 AM Critias QUOTE (Nerbert) ha ha ha. Too late. Its good tha... Jun 4 2005, 07:28 AM Nerbert What am I supposed to learn Critias? I said two s... Jun 4 2005, 07:35 AM Critias Well, maybe you should stop saying stupid things, ... Jun 4 2005, 07:41 AM Nerbert What about threshold, thats hard fact, one you sti... Jun 4 2005, 07:42 AM Critias How much do you really know about threshold, in SR... Jun 4 2005, 07:49 AM Nerbert A single success is enough for any simple action. Jun 4 2005, 08:03 AM Shadow QUOTE (Nerbert) A single success is enough for any... Jun 4 2005, 08:07 AM Nerbert Shadow, you are just tenacious about dragging argu... Jun 4 2005, 08:07 AM Shadow QUOTE (Nerbert) Shadow, you are just tenacious abo... Jun 4 2005, 08:15 AM Ellery What is the definition of a "simple action... Jun 4 2005, 08:28 AM Critias QUOTE (Nerbert) A single success is enough for any... Jun 4 2005, 08:28 AM Nerbert Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. And yes.
If a p... Jun 4 2005, 08:47 AM frostPDP Nerbert man, you're taking this way too person... Jun 4 2005, 10:23 AM Cochise QUOTE CODE [QUOTE = frostPDP]Wow. And here... Jun 4 2005, 11:25 AM Nerbert Thanks a lot, fixed. Jun 4 2005, 11:29 AM nick012000 Something interesting? If SR4 and V:tR are so simi... Jun 4 2005, 11:52 AM Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE Something interesting? If SR4 and V:tR are ... Jun 4 2005, 12:18 PM Critias QUOTE (nick012000) Something interesting? If SR4 a... Jun 4 2005, 12:33 PM frostPDP Crossovers are interesting, the problem is picking... Jun 4 2005, 07:49 PM Cain All right, Nerbert. I just happened to chance acr... Jun 6 2005, 02:51 AM Nerbert There's only three core rulebooks in the New W... Jun 6 2005, 10:10 PM Cain Okay, I don't have a copy of any of those, but... Jun 6 2005, 10:33 PM SR4-WTF? QUOTE (Cain) Okay, I don't have a copy of any ... Jun 6 2005, 10:40 PM Eldritch QUOTE (SR4-WTF?) QUOTE (Cain @ Jun 6 2005, 05... Jun 6 2005, 10:44 PM Cain Adventure! pretty much uses the nWoD mechanics... Jun 6 2005, 10:54 PM Shadow Which is pretty much what I keep saying. I wish th... Jun 6 2005, 10:59 PM SR4-WTF? QUOTE (Cain) Adventure! pretty much uses the n... Jun 7 2005, 12:01 AM warrior_allanon QUOTE (frostPDP) Crossovers are interesting, the p... Jun 7 2005, 12:12 AM Cheops I think Cain hit the core of the argument on the h... Jun 7 2005, 12:21 AM Nerbert So, what you're saying is that Monopoly and Ba... Jun 7 2005, 01:26 AM SR4-WTF? QUOTE (Nerbert @ Jun 6 2005, 08:26 PM) So, wh... Jun 7 2005, 01:40 AM Nerbert But my point is that when sitting down to play SR4... Jun 7 2005, 02:19 AM
SR4-WTF? QUOTE (Nerbert @ Jun 6 2005, 09:19 PM) But my... Jun 7 2005, 02:30 AM  |
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