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hello everyone. longtime reader, first time poster

I've been GMing a third ed shadowrun game for approx. 6 months now, and most of the characters are fairly dynamic; we have an Irish mage who uses her magic for forensic work; she used to do forensics for the Star. We have a private investigator with a contact for every situation who left the force to due him being scape goated for a scandal. We also have a japanese phys ad who attempts spiritual and martial perfection through conflict and peace (it's a long story).

And certainly, we of course have the cold-blooded Magician's Way adept who's idea of negotiation is sticking a gun barrel down someone's throat by the name of Dante (from Devil May Cry: the video game).

Essentially, Dante's player screwed up royally. while trying to find someone in a ten story walk up, he was ambushed by a gang to off him. He then proceeds to tell me that he unslings his MGL-12 grenade launcher and start putting rounds down the hallway. after a heated exchange, three of the five gangers are dead, and he's at one point away from a deadly wound. His Doc Wagon bracelet goes off, and he's picked up. Next thing he knows, he's under arrest on federal weapons charges with intent to kill. Multiple weapons charges. Because he has several assault rifles at home, along with several LAW rockets and security armor. I essentially said that he had to make a new character because his current character would be spending the next fifty years in a prison cell hooked up to a simsense rig through his brand new shiny datajack.

My question is: Was I too harsh on this player? If you had the same scenario, how would you have handled it? Or would you let the other characters make a run to try and bust him out (which I doubt they would do, the rest of the group was excited to get a level one weapon focus which they gave to the phys ad because he can attack spirits more effectively)

Thoughts? Ideas? Munitions?
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- Faenor   Player Actions and Consequences   Sep 7 2005, 04:48 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   my only question is, why would DocWagon turn in a ...   Sep 7 2005, 04:58 AM
- - Faenor   My main thought would be that since he was taken t...   Sep 7 2005, 05:03 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   Then I'd say go with it on the grounds of the ...   Sep 7 2005, 05:09 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   Remember, however. DocWagon is a Corp, I'm not...   Sep 7 2005, 05:12 AM
- - toturi   It is not stupid if that is the only thing he can ...   Sep 7 2005, 05:21 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Sep 7 2005, 12:12 A...   Sep 7 2005, 05:29 AM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (toturi) It is not stupid if that is the onl...   Sep 7 2005, 06:14 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (eidolon) I don't follow you. Have you ...   Sep 7 2005, 06:59 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   still waiting for Faenor to reply and clarify   Sep 7 2005, 07:01 AM
- - Wintermancer   For my two cents, I don't think DocWagon would...   Sep 7 2005, 07:28 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   that's what I was thinking . That's WM for...   Sep 7 2005, 07:40 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   My first question is how did the Star get his home...   Sep 7 2005, 07:47 AM
- - nezumi   Totori, I didn't get that sense from reading s...   Sep 7 2005, 02:34 PM
- - mmu1   Just to elaborate on something nezumi touched on -...   Sep 7 2005, 02:49 PM
- - toturi   The guy is a Magician way adept. So unless he has ...   Sep 7 2005, 03:12 PM
- - Dawnshadow   Magician's Way Adepts can have obscene reactio...   Sep 7 2005, 03:28 PM
- - Ryu   I think that guy PROVED his ability to survive sai...   Sep 7 2005, 06:09 PM
- - Mugzug   Did I miss something? How does Doc Wagon have ext...   Sep 7 2005, 06:17 PM
- - Lindt   No Mug, a defining factor of a AA is its ability t...   Sep 7 2005, 06:33 PM
- - Mugzug   Ah well with that cleared up... Lonestar still co...   Sep 7 2005, 06:51 PM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (Ryu) The MGL-6 looks close enough to a heav...   Sep 7 2005, 06:52 PM
- - nezumi   I seem to recollect reading somewhere that DocWago...   Sep 7 2005, 07:45 PM
- - Shadow   It seems a little railroad'ish. But its believ...   Sep 7 2005, 08:09 PM
- - Talia Invierno   Also, just because extraterritoriality exists, it...   Sep 7 2005, 08:14 PM
- - Faenor   Sorry for the delay in postings; I'm at work a...   Sep 7 2005, 08:32 PM
- - Trax   Yeah, that's pretty stupid.   Sep 7 2005, 08:35 PM
- - interchange   Yeah, if he's SINed, he's SOL even if it w...   Sep 7 2005, 08:46 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Faenor @ Sep 7 2005, 03:32 PM) And my ...   Sep 7 2005, 09:02 PM
- - Mugzug   Actually this is a good chance for him to hire a l...   Sep 7 2005, 09:13 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (Mugzug) Yeah I took a class on Law, sue me....   Sep 7 2005, 10:13 PM
- - Paul   I think minus the other three players ending up de...   Sep 7 2005, 10:18 PM
- - Faenor   well, I think what I'm going to do is have the...   Sep 7 2005, 10:27 PM
- - Mugzug   Don't forget community service and debt! S...   Sep 7 2005, 10:30 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Faenor) Sorry for the delay in postings; I...   Sep 7 2005, 11:15 PM
- - tisoz   Another idea is upon his regaining consciousness, ...   Sep 8 2005, 04:32 AM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (hyzmarca) This person created a character b...   Sep 8 2005, 11:17 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   thanks for responding Faenor. I think I agree that...   Sep 9 2005, 04:29 AM
- - weblife   The player should have been informed by the GM tha...   Sep 9 2005, 09:12 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   I'm sorry, but I think the player should have ...   Sep 9 2005, 09:36 AM
- - Ed Simons   QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0)I think I agree that sinc...   Sep 10 2005, 02:49 PM
- - nezumi   See, this is the difference between a real SIN and...   Sep 10 2005, 08:24 PM
- - Ed Simons   QUOTE (nezumi)See, this is the difference between ...   Sep 11 2005, 02:06 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE (Ed Simons) QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0)I think...   Sep 11 2005, 03:43 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Ed Simons @ Sep 10 2005, 09:06 PM) Hav...   Sep 11 2005, 03:54 AM
- - Faenor   Okay, I'll give my interpretation of what happ...   Sep 11 2005, 05:01 AM
- - Clyde   For what it's worth, I think this "Dante...   Sep 11 2005, 05:19 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE (Faenor) Okay, I'll give my interpretati...   Sep 11 2005, 05:25 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Faenor) Okay, I'll give my interpretati...   Sep 11 2005, 06:09 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   actually, if he's still playing 3rd edition, t...   Sep 11 2005, 07:02 AM
- - Faenor   To Hyzmarca: No need to apologize; i was not clea...   Sep 11 2005, 07:15 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   for the littlest things, start with a 1,000 reta...   Sep 11 2005, 07:59 AM
- - Clyde   Depends on the caliber of the lawyer and the cost ...   Sep 11 2005, 07:09 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Clyde) Check out: http://www.findarticles...   Sep 11 2005, 07:41 PM
- - Foreigner   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Sep 11 2005, 02:41 PM) Actu...   Sep 11 2005, 09:39 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Faenor) I really did not attempt to railroa...   Sep 11 2005, 09:46 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Foreigner @ Sep 11 2005, 04:39 PM) QUO...   Sep 11 2005, 10:21 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   From this escapade, I see two things you did wrong...   Sep 11 2005, 10:42 PM
- - Mercer   QUOTE (Kagetenshi)QUOTE (Faenor @ Sep 11 2005...   Sep 12 2005, 08:43 AM
- - lorthazar   Actually this was railroading of the worst sort an...   Sep 12 2005, 05:30 PM
- - Sicarius   If the character's only available method of re...   Sep 12 2005, 05:59 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (lorthazar) Actually this was railroading of...   Sep 12 2005, 06:05 PM
- - nezumi   How was this railroading? There was an obvious co...   Sep 12 2005, 07:44 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (nezumi @ Sep 12 2005, 02:44 PM) How wa...   Sep 12 2005, 07:53 PM
- - mmu1   If there's one thing that bothers me in this w...   Sep 12 2005, 08:28 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Sooth. I would have expected the gangers to all go...   Sep 12 2005, 08:54 PM
- - Faenor   It doesn't help when the player rolls total ga...   Sep 12 2005, 10:12 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Any grenadelink? Edit: no, otherwise he wouldn...   Sep 12 2005, 10:15 PM
- - Talia Invierno   @ Fox1: A (qualified) yes to your first example. ...   Sep 14 2005, 12:38 AM
- - Dawnshadow   Out of curiousity.. what do people think railroadi...   Sep 14 2005, 12:46 AM
- - Taran   QUOTE (Talia Invierno)(Any time a GM "create[...   Sep 14 2005, 01:30 AM
- - Westiex   QUOTE They knock, whispering at the door that they...   Sep 14 2005, 01:44 AM
- - Talia Invierno   Apparently being (strongly) encouraged (by the fea...   Sep 14 2005, 02:46 AM
- - hyzmarca   Atually, the most railroadish GM decision in this ...   Sep 14 2005, 02:55 AM
- - Dawnshadow   QUOTE (Taran) QUOTE (Talia Invierno)(Any time a GM...   Sep 14 2005, 03:10 AM
- - Mercer   To my mind there's two types of railroading (o...   Sep 14 2005, 03:45 AM
- - Taran   QUOTE (Talia Invierno)Apparently being (strongly) ...   Sep 14 2005, 05:31 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (Dawnshadow @ Sep 13 2005, 10:10 PM) So...   Sep 14 2005, 08:48 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   weredigo? where did he go anyways?   Sep 14 2005, 08:56 AM
- - Dawnshadow   QUOTE (Taran) QUOTE (Talia Invierno)Apparently bei...   Sep 14 2005, 01:22 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Dawnshadow) Talia: I'd never call that ...   Sep 14 2005, 01:47 PM
- - Kesh   QUOTE (Fox1) Any time any GM inflicts an event on ...   Sep 14 2005, 02:31 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Kesh @ Sep 14 2005, 09:31 AM) Emphasis...   Sep 14 2005, 02:49 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Kesh @ Sep 14 2005, 09:31 AM) QUOTE (F...   Sep 14 2005, 02:51 PM
- - Ryu   I can create scenarios where characters die becaus...   Sep 14 2005, 03:24 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Ryu) I can create scenarios where character...   Sep 14 2005, 03:33 PM
- - Jrayjoker   QUOTE (Ryu) I can create scenarios where character...   Sep 14 2005, 03:36 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Jrayjoker) "Never surrender" does...   Sep 14 2005, 03:42 PM
- - Ryu   Fox: Feel free to read the whole post, not only pa...   Sep 14 2005, 03:59 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Ryu) Fox: Feel free to read the whole post,...   Sep 14 2005, 04:10 PM
- - Jrayjoker   Blah, blah, blah railroading blah, blah, blah....C...   Sep 14 2005, 04:31 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Jrayjoker) Blah, blah, blah railroading bla...   Sep 14 2005, 04:44 PM
- - Kagetenshi   That assumes an infinite number of GMs and no outs...   Sep 14 2005, 04:52 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) That assumes an infinite number...   Sep 14 2005, 04:57 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   It's not easy to tell your mates you're qu...   Sep 14 2005, 05:10 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) It's not easy to tell...   Sep 14 2005, 05:18 PM
- - Apathy   Please forgive me if I'm repeating things ever...   Sep 14 2005, 05:57 PM
- - Taran   QUOTE (Kesh)Are you seriously saying the players/c...   Sep 14 2005, 06:37 PM
- - Apathy   QUOTE (Taran) Yes, and that's why railroading ...   Sep 14 2005, 07:26 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Apathy @ Sep 14 2005, 02:26 PM) I agre...   Sep 14 2005, 07:28 PM
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