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Stormdrake
post Feb 4 2011, 05:24 PM
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I have a player with the edge of "Erased" and I find it very broken. Is it just me? Has Catalyst ever offered a better explanation of how this works rather than treating is as a "Hand of God?" The fact that it wipes out all records any where makes it way over powered and while the text says "all but the most secure systems" that just leads to more arguments. Rather than just banish it from the game I wanted to see if anyone had come up with a reasonable fix.


Erased
Cost: 5BP or10BP
Better than SINless—the character with this quality officially
doesn’t exist and never did; someone or something actively works to
remove her traces from the system. Maybe it’s an elite hacker who owes
her a favor or an AI she befriended, but the end result is that her data
trail and records vanish from all but the most secure systems shortly
after being entered. For 5 BP, criminal SINs and unwanted data disappear
within a week. For 10 BP, any SIN, undesirable credit history, or
personal information on the Matrix that she wishes is burnt after 24
hours. Obviously, the eraser will preserve any data the character wishes
preserved and that is vital for her to function in society. Note that vanishing
data may prove an unwanted complication if the character is
in custody or doing prison time (the Man may “forget” she is there).
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- Stormdrake   Erased-Broken or Not?   Feb 4 2011, 05:24 PM
- - sabs   I do have a reasonable fix for Erased. Make it co...   Feb 4 2011, 05:36 PM
- - Makki   I never use it without an appropriate contact and ...   Feb 4 2011, 05:37 PM
- - ProfGast   One way I like to look at it, the 10 bp version of...   Feb 4 2011, 05:42 PM
|- - Aerospider   QUOTE (ProfGast @ Feb 4 2011, 05:42 PM) O...   Feb 4 2011, 06:41 PM
- - ProfGast   Oh I agree normally a contact would charge for ser...   Feb 4 2011, 06:45 PM
- - CanRay   Well, if you take into consideration (As I would) ...   Feb 4 2011, 06:50 PM
- - CanRay   Double Posts seem to be the theme for me today.   Feb 4 2011, 06:50 PM
- - Ascalaphus   The quality strikes me as a kind of escape clause ...   Feb 4 2011, 09:56 PM
- - KCKitsune   I took the 10 pt Erased positive quality and a Loy...   Feb 4 2011, 10:38 PM
- - CanRay   "Dude, the person that was erasing your crimi...   Feb 4 2011, 10:43 PM
- - Faraday   How about an AI who likes eating your SIN info?   Feb 4 2011, 11:59 PM
- - CanRay   "Om-nom-nom!" "Let me in, hous...   Feb 5 2011, 12:34 AM
- - onlyghostdanceswhiledrunk   I would personally have it become a pet project of...   Feb 5 2011, 02:02 AM
- - SpellBinder   Don't forget that sometimes info you don't...   Feb 5 2011, 02:03 AM
- - hyzmarca   In theory, Erased is an incredibly powerful Qualit...   Feb 5 2011, 02:10 AM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 5 2011, 03:10 AM) I...   Feb 5 2011, 09:15 AM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 5 2011, 04:15 AM) ...   Feb 5 2011, 05:43 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 5 2011, 10:43 AM) B...   Feb 5 2011, 06:34 PM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 5 2011, 06:43 PM) I...   Feb 5 2011, 07:50 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 5 2011, 09:50 PM) ...   Feb 5 2011, 08:36 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Mäx @ Feb 5 2011, 01:36 PM) You se...   Feb 5 2011, 09:20 PM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Mäx @ Feb 5 2011, 09:36 PM) You se...   Feb 5 2011, 09:38 PM
- - Draco18s   QED. Reminds me of why I don't take Common Se...   Feb 5 2011, 02:34 AM
- - Eratosthenes   Just think of the fun you can inflict on the PC...   Feb 5 2011, 02:49 AM
|- - Glyph   Hyzmarca has already hit why this quality is mostl...   Feb 5 2011, 03:48 AM
- - CanRay   Actually, talking about Erased has given me one he...   Feb 5 2011, 03:35 AM
- - CanRay   Another way to balance "Erased" is to ta...   Feb 5 2011, 03:49 AM
- - CanRay   Erased is good for those characters that don't...   Feb 5 2011, 04:00 PM
- - Eratosthenes   Yea, the goal's not to not leave *any* data tr...   Feb 5 2011, 06:10 PM
- - Manunancy   Though there's a complication with that : many...   Feb 5 2011, 07:06 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Manunancy @ Feb 5 2011, 12:06 PM) ...   Feb 5 2011, 07:23 PM
- - hyzmarca   Unless you change your face whenever you change ID...   Feb 5 2011, 07:20 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 5 2011, 12:20 PM) U...   Feb 5 2011, 07:29 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 5 2011, 12:20 PM) A...   Feb 6 2011, 05:49 AM
||- - CanRay   QUOTE (kzt @ Feb 6 2011, 01:49 AM) Heck, ...   Feb 6 2011, 05:51 AM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 5 2011, 07:20 PM) U...   Feb 7 2011, 04:34 AM
- - Fortinbras   You seem to be under the impression that Shadowrun...   Feb 5 2011, 07:30 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Feb 5 2011, 12:30 PM)...   Feb 5 2011, 07:35 PM
- - Fortinbras   Not directed toward any one person directly, save ...   Feb 5 2011, 07:47 PM
- - Yerameyahu   He's of the crazy opinion that non-digital fil...   Feb 5 2011, 10:31 PM
- - CanRay   Dead Tree Format. Cannot be hacked. There will a...   Feb 6 2011, 12:11 AM
|- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 5 2011, 04:11 PM) Dea...   Feb 6 2011, 06:46 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Nah. And maybe there are robot file handlers to ha...   Feb 6 2011, 12:35 AM
- - Mardrax   *shrug* I doubt there'd be paper trails of any...   Feb 6 2011, 02:32 AM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   Let's sau Johnny Erased goes on a run against ...   Feb 6 2011, 05:13 AM
|- - Mardrax   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 6 2011, 06...   Feb 6 2011, 11:56 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Mardrax @ Feb 6 2011, 06:56 AM) Or...   Feb 6 2011, 07:05 PM
|- - Mardrax   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Feb 6 2011, 08:05 PM) I...   Feb 6 2011, 07:21 PM
- - CanRay   If you piss him off enough, a simple dedicated One...   Feb 6 2011, 05:12 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   A RED campaign? As long as I'm not going agai...   Feb 6 2011, 06:13 PM
- - CanRay   "It's been over a week, why has my crimin...   Feb 6 2011, 07:53 PM
- - Kyrel   Erased is a nice quality, and for some characters ...   Feb 7 2011, 03:00 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Just to point out, Erased specifically doesn't...   Feb 7 2011, 03:26 PM
- - Kyrel   Maybe this is down to how we interpret the descrip...   Feb 7 2011, 04:47 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Ah, I see; I assumed that an identity of some kind...   Feb 7 2011, 05:02 PM
- - Mardrax   Your data trail dissappears. To quote the quality:...   Feb 7 2011, 05:18 PM
- - SpellBinder   In the case of a video/audio record of the Erased ...   Feb 7 2011, 06:58 PM
- - kzt   It's horribly overpowered as written. Exactl...   Feb 7 2011, 08:49 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (kzt @ Feb 7 2011, 04:49 PM) It...   Feb 7 2011, 08:51 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (kzt @ Feb 7 2011, 01:49 PM) It...   Feb 7 2011, 08:52 PM
- - Fortinbras   Frankly I can't see anyone getting much use ou...   Feb 7 2011, 09:02 PM
|- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Feb 7 2011, 10:02 PM)...   Feb 8 2011, 09:00 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 8 2011, 11:00 AM) ...   Feb 8 2011, 09:44 AM
||- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Mäx @ Feb 8 2011, 10:44 AM) That m...   Feb 8 2011, 10:30 AM
||- - Mäx   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 8 2011, 12:30 PM) ...   Feb 8 2011, 12:11 PM
||- - sabs   QUOTE (Mäx @ Feb 8 2011, 12:11 PM) Becaus...   Feb 8 2011, 12:15 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (sabs @ Feb 8 2011, 05:15 AM) Actua...   Feb 8 2011, 02:26 PM
||- - Mäx   QUOTE (sabs @ Feb 8 2011, 02:15 PM) Actua...   Feb 8 2011, 03:05 PM
||- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Mäx @ Feb 8 2011, 08:05 AM) So you...   Feb 8 2011, 03:13 PM
||- - Mäx   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 8 2011, 05...   Feb 8 2011, 05:48 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 8 2011, 10...   Feb 8 2011, 07:36 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Feb 8 2011, 05:00 AM) ...   Feb 8 2011, 10:11 AM
- - sabs   I think this is something that's hard for peop...   Feb 8 2011, 02:44 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Plus, you can eat it. Mm, real paper…   Feb 8 2011, 02:47 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   A sandwich of paper filled with crayon, yum yuuuuu...   Feb 8 2011, 02:59 PM
- - sabs   Yes. They have offline backups, of course. Everyo...   Feb 8 2011, 03:12 PM
- - Mardrax   Paper hasn't been completely eliminated. There...   Feb 8 2011, 04:06 PM
- - sabs   if they're on your commlink, they're ...   Feb 8 2011, 05:49 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (sabs @ Feb 8 2011, 07:49 PM) if th...   Feb 8 2011, 06:01 PM
- - sabs   then you can't access them. Where else would t...   Feb 8 2011, 06:03 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (sabs @ Feb 8 2011, 08:03 PM) then ...   Feb 8 2011, 06:04 PM
- - sabs   Except that your boxers are connected to your comm...   Feb 8 2011, 06:08 PM
|- - Sephiroth   QUOTE (sabs @ Feb 8 2011, 02:08 PM) Excep...   Feb 8 2011, 06:31 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (sabs @ Feb 8 2011, 08:08 PM) Excep...   Feb 8 2011, 07:14 PM
- - CanRay   My group had to have a huge amount of data stored ...   Feb 8 2011, 06:15 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 8 2011, 07:15 PM) Toa...   Feb 8 2011, 06:16 PM
- - sabs   so now Technomancers interact with Computers via Q...   Feb 8 2011, 06:40 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (sabs @ Feb 8 2011, 07:40 PM) so no...   Feb 8 2011, 06:43 PM
||- - Sephiroth   QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Feb 8 2011, 02:43 PM) ...   Feb 8 2011, 06:58 PM
|- - Sephiroth   QUOTE (sabs @ Feb 8 2011, 02:40 PM) so no...   Feb 8 2011, 06:58 PM
- - sabs   Doc! Go suck on some Tachions   Feb 8 2011, 06:53 PM
- - sabs   ^^^^^^ This is why Technomancers need to be taken ...   Feb 8 2011, 07:00 PM
|- - Sephiroth   QUOTE (sabs @ Feb 8 2011, 03:00 PM) ^^^^^...   Feb 8 2011, 07:09 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (sabs @ Feb 8 2011, 12:00 PM) ^^^^^...   Feb 8 2011, 07:27 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   And like I said before, this would be ONE guy keep...   Feb 8 2011, 07:22 PM
|- - Doc Chase   QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 8 2011, 07...   Feb 8 2011, 07:25 PM
- - Fortinbras   I still maintain that Erased isn't as overpowe...   Feb 9 2011, 06:44 AM
- - CanRay   OK, your PC has Erased. That's nice. No crim...   Feb 9 2011, 04:24 PM
- - Draco18s   QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 9 2011, 11:24 AM) OK,...   Feb 9 2011, 05:03 PM
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