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post Oct 11 2011, 09:57 PM
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I see a considerable number of SR veterans saying the line began to go downhill by mid 3rd edition. As someone who played a lot of SR 2nd ed, but just a couple of 3rd edition games (my group desintegrated around its release), I don’t understand this sentiment, but would like to.

Someone care to explain ?


P.S: the only thing I remember my group felt was a change in tone/atmosphere, straying away from the more gritty/dark vibe of 1e and 2e, to a more colourful/action! one, if that makes any sense. And even if does, it doesn’t have anything to do with the quality of writing or ideas in plot/splash books really.
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- silva   Whats the problem with Shadowrun 3E ?   Oct 11 2011, 09:57 PM
- - JonathanC   Hmm....I've been thinking about this myself, h...   Oct 11 2011, 10:03 PM
- - CanRay   Well, the future is here. We don't have as ma...   Oct 11 2011, 10:06 PM
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|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (CanRay @ Oct 12 2011, 09:06 PM) An...   Oct 12 2011, 07:14 PM
- - CanRay   I do as well. But that's probably because I h...   Oct 11 2011, 10:25 PM
- - Bigity   I still like 2nd edition best overall, with flavor...   Oct 11 2011, 11:03 PM
- - CanRay   *Pouts* I never knew those days.   Oct 11 2011, 11:19 PM
- - Platinum   QUOTE (silva @ Oct 11 2011, 04:57 PM) I s...   Oct 11 2011, 11:24 PM
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- - CanRay   The world's changed, and Shadowrun has tried t...   Oct 11 2011, 11:39 PM
|- - JonathanC   QUOTE (CanRay @ Oct 11 2011, 04:39 PM) Th...   Oct 12 2011, 01:32 AM
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|- - Platinum   QUOTE (CanRay @ Oct 11 2011, 06:39 PM) Th...   Oct 12 2011, 03:09 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Platinum @ Oct 11 2011, 09:09 PM) ...   Oct 12 2011, 03:13 AM
- - Bigity   It's not helping my nostalgia factor by readin...   Oct 11 2011, 11:41 PM
- - CanRay   Could be worse. Could be Cyberpunk V.3. *Shudder...   Oct 12 2011, 01:47 AM
- - Bigity   Late 20s? Bah. I'm going to be 60+ when my y...   Oct 12 2011, 02:14 AM
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