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post Apr 11 2012, 10:03 PM
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My players love Spirits. They LOVE Spirits. One of them is a Possession mage (had I been as wise then as I am now, I'd have said no, but c'est la vie,) the other is a Hermetic.

They prefer to use Spirits as the answer to everything. Need to fly a man eight hundred miles to infiltrate a ship? Have a Spirit of Air carry him. Need to bring something washed ashore on a beach in mid-CalFree to Seattle? Have a Spirit possess it, shapeshift into a crocodile, waddle out into the sea, shapeshift into a dolphin, swim it back.

I put the kibosh on that last one by telling them outright that that wouldn't yield the desired macguffin in usable form, thus making them actually do some Shadowrunning for a change, but their answer to everything is Spirits. It's starting to get to the point where spirits seem to be the Omnihammer, and the world, the Omninail.

What can I do/what factors in the world are involved to make that kind of shenanigan (long-distance Spirit couriering/spirit theft of things) unworkable as a solution to most problems of that nature, that don't royally fuck Adepts (like a background count will,) or everybody (like a majorly-twinked combat drone fleet will.)




As a side note, is a Possession Spirit inside something still Dual Natured - IE, can it be attacked by something on the Astral, such as another spirit or a magician?
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- ShadowDragon8685   What can I do about Spirits being the Omnihammer?   Apr 11 2012, 10:03 PM
- - Bearclaw   Yea, possessed means dual natured. Beating spirit...   Apr 11 2012, 10:10 PM
|- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (Bearclaw @ Apr 11 2012, 05:10 PM) ...   Apr 11 2012, 10:27 PM
|- - Bearclaw   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 11 2012, 03...   Apr 11 2012, 10:43 PM
||- - UmaroVI   QUOTE (Bearclaw @ Apr 11 2012, 06:43 PM) ...   Apr 11 2012, 10:50 PM
|- - Halinn   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 12 2012, 12...   Apr 11 2012, 10:56 PM
||- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (Halinn @ Apr 11 2012, 05:56 PM) Yo...   Apr 11 2012, 11:10 PM
||- - Halinn   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 12 2012, 01...   Apr 11 2012, 11:40 PM
||- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 11 2012, 07...   Apr 12 2012, 12:02 AM
|||- - UmaroVI   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Apr 11 2012, 07:02 ...   Apr 12 2012, 12:19 AM
|||- - Halinn   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Apr 12 2012, 02:19 AM) I...   Apr 12 2012, 12:24 AM
|||- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Apr 11 2012, 08:19 PM) S...   Apr 12 2012, 12:48 AM
|||- - UmaroVI   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 11 2012, 08...   Apr 12 2012, 12:50 AM
||- - kzt   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 11 2012, 05...   Apr 12 2012, 06:51 AM
|- - Tias   Just wanted to mentioned how I worked around the f...   Apr 12 2012, 03:29 PM
|- - JonathanC   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 11 2012, 02...   Apr 12 2012, 05:17 PM
|- - Eratosthenes   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Apr 12 2012, 01:17 PM)...   Apr 12 2012, 05:41 PM
- - Elfenlied   What other characters does your group have? Only t...   Apr 11 2012, 10:17 PM
|- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Apr 11 2012, 05:17 PM)...   Apr 11 2012, 10:30 PM
- - Bearclaw   I'm not sure how a spirit can possess somethin...   Apr 11 2012, 10:47 PM
- - UmaroVI   Short answer: magical security. Medium answer: sp...   Apr 11 2012, 10:47 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Apr 11 2012, 05:47 PM) S...   Apr 11 2012, 11:00 PM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 12 2012, 07...   Apr 12 2012, 01:42 AM
|- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Apr 11 2012, 09:42 P...   Apr 12 2012, 04:05 AM
|- - shon   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 12 2012, 05...   Apr 13 2012, 01:01 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (shon @ Apr 13 2012, 08:01 AM) The ...   Apr 13 2012, 01:53 PM
- - Bearclaw   Does shapechange allow you to change a box into th...   Apr 11 2012, 11:08 PM
- - Eratosthenes   You're right, spirits are smart, and will do t...   Apr 11 2012, 11:44 PM
- - UmaroVI   Presumably, yes. Nabo is a rock star. If I want to...   Apr 12 2012, 12:47 AM
|- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Apr 11 2012, 08:47 PM) P...   Apr 12 2012, 12:50 AM
||- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 11 2012, 05...   Apr 12 2012, 01:04 AM
|- - Midas   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Apr 12 2012, 12:47 AM) P...   Apr 12 2012, 06:47 AM
- - Saint Sithney   If a crate with a nanofax inside it turns into a d...   Apr 12 2012, 12:49 AM
- - Bearclaw   But really, a box or a cyberdeck can't be shap...   Apr 12 2012, 05:49 AM
- - Psikerlord   For your particular group, I think youre going to ...   Apr 12 2012, 11:42 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (Bearclaw @ Apr 12 2012, 12:49 AM) ...   Apr 12 2012, 12:21 PM
|- - Bearclaw   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 12 2012, 05...   Apr 12 2012, 03:37 PM
- - Halinn   There's always the trusty old counter to chara...   Apr 12 2012, 12:50 PM
- - darthmord   If you are going to make them deal with BC, I woul...   Apr 12 2012, 01:24 PM
- - UmaroVI   You could, in theory, have BGC that is aspected to...   Apr 12 2012, 01:51 PM
- - Makki   here's a nice house rule addition, that might ...   Apr 12 2012, 02:06 PM
- - Thanee   Didn't read everything, but one thing comes to...   Apr 12 2012, 02:08 PM
|- - Makki   QUOTE (Thanee @ Apr 12 2012, 04:08 PM) Th...   Apr 12 2012, 02:19 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Thanee @ Apr 12 2012, 08:08 AM) ...   Apr 12 2012, 03:23 PM
|- - cndblank   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 12 2012, 09...   Apr 12 2012, 03:35 PM
||- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (cndblank @ Apr 12 2012, 05:35 PM) ...   Apr 12 2012, 07:58 PM
||- - Thanee   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Apr 12 2012, 09:58 P...   Apr 12 2012, 10:29 PM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 12 2012, 05...   Apr 12 2012, 03:59 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Thanee @ Apr 12 2012, 09:59 AM) Th...   Apr 12 2012, 04:51 PM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 12 2012, 06...   Apr 12 2012, 06:51 PM
|- - Saint Sithney   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 12 2012, 09...   Apr 13 2012, 05:49 AM
- - Thanee   Yeah, I edited that in in the meantime. Please, re...   Apr 12 2012, 02:29 PM
|- - kzt   QUOTE (Thanee @ Apr 12 2012, 08:29 AM) Ye...   Apr 12 2012, 06:04 PM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (kzt @ Apr 12 2012, 08:04 PM) You c...   Apr 12 2012, 06:52 PM
- - Chimera   My current campaign that I am GM'ing has two m...   Apr 12 2012, 03:05 PM
|- - cndblank   QUOTE (Chimera @ Apr 12 2012, 09:05 AM) F...   Apr 12 2012, 03:52 PM
|- - Manunancy   QUOTE (cndblank @ Apr 12 2012, 05:52 PM) ...   Apr 12 2012, 04:20 PM
- - Chimera   QUOTE (cndblank @ Apr 12 2012, 09:52 AM) ...   Apr 12 2012, 04:12 PM
- - rlor   1. Any run that requires them to access a termina...   Apr 12 2012, 04:37 PM
- - Draco18s   Are you remembering that random objects are not ...   Apr 12 2012, 05:30 PM
- - Eratosthenes   I think it could be very amusing if the rocker had...   Apr 12 2012, 06:08 PM
- - Modular Man   For that "Posessing the crate and shapechange...   Apr 12 2012, 09:40 PM
- - Angelone   I'd have the spirit(s) mug everybody in there ...   Apr 13 2012, 12:05 AM
- - kzt   I'm sure everyone who bought an original iPhon...   Apr 13 2012, 05:32 AM
- - Dakka Dakka   As I said above materialized/possessing spirits do...   Apr 13 2012, 05:38 AM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Apr 13 2012, 07:38 A...   Apr 13 2012, 06:26 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Thanee @ Apr 13 2012, 08:26 AM) Th...   Apr 13 2012, 06:45 AM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Apr 13 2012, 08:45 A...   Apr 13 2012, 06:57 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Thanee @ Apr 13 2012, 08:57 AM) If...   Apr 13 2012, 02:00 PM
|- - Thanee   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Apr 13 2012, 04:00 P...   Apr 13 2012, 03:40 PM
- - Irion   Yes, as soon as your playes grow a brain and you n...   Apr 13 2012, 08:27 AM
- - Blade   Back to the original topic, my way to handle this ...   Apr 13 2012, 08:47 AM
- - snowRaven   As others said, shapechanging the crate into some...   Apr 13 2012, 09:47 AM
- - Eratosthenes   So...the spirit materializes in the rocker's r...   Apr 13 2012, 02:22 PM
|- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (Eratosthenes @ Apr 13 2012, 10:22 ...   Apr 13 2012, 02:42 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Eratosthenes @ Apr 13 2012, 07:22 ...   Apr 13 2012, 03:28 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Good point.   Apr 13 2012, 02:25 PM
- - Warlordtheft   Also don't forget about astral signatures. It ...   Apr 13 2012, 02:49 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Apr 13 2012, 04:49 ...   Apr 13 2012, 03:08 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Apr 13 2012, 08:08 A...   Apr 13 2012, 03:30 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 13 2012, 05...   Apr 13 2012, 03:43 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Apr 13 2012, 08:43 A...   Apr 13 2012, 03:51 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 13 2012, 05...   Apr 13 2012, 03:59 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Apr 13 2012, 08:59 A...   Apr 13 2012, 04:05 PM
- - Eratosthenes   A simple (mag)locked door would still prevent the ...   Apr 13 2012, 03:34 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Yup. QUOTE ('Street Magic p. 133')By trave...   Apr 13 2012, 04:12 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Apr 13 2012, 09:12 A...   Apr 13 2012, 04:38 PM
- - Eratosthenes   I thought there was some fluff (AFB) about the ong...   Apr 13 2012, 05:18 PM
|- - darthmord   QUOTE (Eratosthenes @ Apr 13 2012, 01:18 ...   Apr 13 2012, 05:32 PM
- - Manunancy   sort of like light is both an EM wave and a partic...   Apr 13 2012, 06:02 PM
- - snowRaven   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Apr 13 2012, 04...   Apr 13 2012, 10:10 PM
- - Makki   QUOTE (snowRaven @ Apr 14 2012, 12:10 AM)...   Apr 14 2012, 03:18 PM
- - snowRaven   QUOTE (Makki @ Apr 14 2012, 05:18 PM) Nex...   Apr 14 2012, 08:46 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (snowRaven @ Apr 14 2012, 10:46 PM)...   Apr 14 2012, 10:23 PM


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