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[Nath]

I think you're mixing up two things. The original "removing timestamp is a decker thing" was in Shadowtech, where The Smiling Bandit posts were signed "The Smiling Bandit <Strikes again!/Ha-Ha-Ha>". It was addressed in the book itself, at the end, when KAM asked him how he did. Timestamp were removed from Shadowland only several years later in Dunkelzahn's Secrets: Portfolio of dragon.

The editing-issue-turned-plot rather is the nameless poster that first showed up in Corporate Guide, page 70.

[Stahlseele]

iii MIGHT have gotten the anonymous poster and the time/date stamp mixed up a bit, i'll admit . .
operating on less than 3 hours of sleep in 48 hours is not an optimal setting i am afraid <.<

[hermit]

Ah, I see. The nameless poster is something other than the missing time/date stamp in earlier editions (either Fastjack or early Smiling Bandit had that).

[Sengir]

operating on less than 3 hours of sleep in 48 hours is not an optimal setting i am afraid <.<

You obviously need a Sleep Regulator (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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Finally got around to read the frist ~20 pages. So far nothing really outstanding (positively or negatively), EXCEPT for the excessive and obnoxious FMC fanwanking.

[Patrick Goodman]

At the very least, a nap. But yeah, a sleep regulator wouldn't hurt.

[hermit]

Or a lot of coffee, chocolate and cigarettes (and bigger guns).

[Bigity]

Ah, back when deckers were deckers and not kids chasing otaku...though I guess NetCat wasn't that young

[Angelone]

Ooo, I just had a thought concerning Puck concerning his "farewell" to Fastjack, their deal, and his actions in Denver. Puck stated that he wanted a free and open matrix. Fastjack isn't all too upset with him about that just his way of going about it. So what if Fastjack and Puck's deal was to try to bring about just that? Granted it's hard to do, but it seems to be a driving factor for Puck as a character.

[Stahlseele]

more important:

[ Spoiler ]

Puck said that Harlekin in FULL KING ARTHUR ARMOR ARMED WITH THE SWORD EXCALIBUR FIGHTING AGAINST GHOSTWALKER IN THE STREETS WASN'T EVEN THE MAIN EVENT

[sk8bcn]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa now?

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There's light in Shadowrun?

Most novels I read, the characters were heroes and ended saving the world.


It's not really dark IMO.

[hermit]

Then you didn't read the same novels I did (or just the trilogies). A good, dark one is Streets of Blood.

[sk8bcn]

I've read around 20 I think. It was the general feeling I had, but not all were translated back in the days. Btw, it's not like it was very very fresh in my mind.

[Fatum]

So, apparently, Celedyr has been experimenting on AIs and technomancers in his secret facility?

The facility was housing and imprisoning e-ghosts and possibly other technosentiences. [...] this place and this project were heavily under the claw of Celedyr, since the Minuteman Security forces were supplemented (and outnumbered) by members of the Knights of Rage.

But

Villiers favors strict regulation of AIs and technomancers, while Celedyr—with support from Verghese and Trans-Latvian Enterprises—supports extending basic metasapience rights to digital constructs.

Don't you think supporting legal recognition as sapients and granting the respective rights to someone seems like an agenda at odds with experimenting on life specimens of that someone?

[CanRay]

Don't you think supporting legal recognition as sapients and granting the respective rights to someone seems like an agenda at odds with experimenting on life specimens of that someone?

It says "Housing and Imprisoning", not "Experimenting".

That could be read as "Giving aid and comfort to the friendly, and punishing the guilty" as well. And considering the history of TMs, e-ghosts, and AIs (Recent enough even in Shadowrun's "Attention-Defici... OH SHINY!" attention span!) "Experiment" would certainly be the word used if laboratories were found.

Just a possibility. I haven't been able to get through Storm Front myself due to my surgery and aftereffects, so just pointing out the wording of the quote given.

[Fatum]

Well, the surrounding story seems to suggest they were universally glad to leave, so at the very least it was incarcerating all of them (and the bits on nano-possession suggest they were experimented upon, and seek revenge).
Apparently, to make lemonade from lemons, you have to actually know your stuff. :\

[Ixal]

A influential "person" preaching something different than what he is doing.
Scandalous! Such things simply don't happen.

[Ixal]

double post

[Fatum]

A influential "person" preaching something different than what he is doing.
Scandalous! Such things simply don't happen.

Not "preaching" but "pushing on his megacorp's executive meetings, which is making him powerful enemies".

[Ixal]

Not "preaching" but "pushing on his megacorp's executive meetings, which is making him powerful enemies".

And yet, being perceived as crusader for AI rights might be worth the downsides when it hides his experiments or brings in more test subjects.
Or maybe the ghosts detained were "special" in some ways (Criminals or whatever). Maybe the KoR where there to watch what Villers is doing as a compromise between them.

There can be lots of explanations.

[CanRay]

Well, the surrounding story seems to suggest they were universally glad to leave, so at the very least it was incarcerating all of them (and the bits on nano-possession suggest they were experimented upon, and seek revenge).
Apparently, to make lemonade from lemons, you have to actually know your stuff. :\

Thanks. Can we have the correction with less snark next time, SVP? I did put the rider in there that I can't read at the moment (literally, I cannot sit down and READ! Anything!) so I went just off of the quote given.

[Fatum]

Maybe the KoR where there to watch what Villers is doing as a compromise between them.

Knights of Rage work for Celedyr, and he was running the research facility.

Thanks. Can we have the correction with less snark next time, SVP? I did put the rider in there that I can't read at the moment (literally, I cannot sit down and READ! Anything!) so I went just off of the quote given.

Beg your pardon, that remark about lemons wasn't directed against you personally (or anyone in particular, really).

[Sengir]

Well, the surrounding story seems to suggest they were universally glad to leave, so at the very least it was incarcerating all of them (and the bits on nano-possession suggest they were experimented upon, and seek revenge).

Corporate Intrigue has some more information, namely the run which is described in that side bar:
His [Celedyr's] objective is to determine whether ghosts in the machine are sentient beings that can be communicated with, although what end that and his other research may serve in the long term remains unknown.
The E-ghosts are also limited to Rating 3, so they are indeed not overly human-like and probably closer to proto-sapient AIs.

[Fatum]

The E-ghosts are also limited to Rating 3, so they are indeed not overly human-like and probably closer to proto-sapient AIs.

They're entirely human-like: you can even play as one.

[Sengir]

They're entirely human-like: you can even play as one.

You can play as a metasapient AI with an E-ghost quality. You cannot play as an E-ghost of the kind presented in Unwired, which are to playable metasapients what ghosts are to free spirit PCs. Now guess which of the two kinds is referenced in Corporate Intrigue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Neurosis]

more important:

[ Spoiler ]

Puck said that Harlekin in FULL KING ARTHUR ARMOR ARMED WITH THE SWORD EXCALIBUR FIGHTING AGAINST GHOSTWALKER IN THE STREETS WASN'T EVEN THE MAIN EVENT

Good catch. XD