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Wounded Ronin
post Jan 10 2008, 04:18 AM
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So, the classic shtick when we're talking about RPGs including Shadowrun is how there's a primal and eternal conflict between the "storygamers" and the "munchkins" which may never be reconciled. Part of this paradigm includes the fundamental idea that "storygamers" spend all their time talking about their character backgrounds and writing 10 page backstories only they care about whereas "munchkins" all invariably role play the T800 and spend all their time writing 10 page long character sheets where nobody but themselves actually knows all the rules referenced by that character.

Clearly, we have a philosophical imperative to create an ultimate munchkin character AS A FLESHED OUT PC. Thus we can have munchkin in stats, munchkin in tediously fleshed out 10 page backstory, and thus make non-munchkins cry by kicking them in the philosophical jimmy.

Today, no joke, I felt a little bit sick, so I went to a Borders bookstore, sat down with a cup of coffee, and I actually red Grossman's "On Killing" in its entirety in one sitting in a couple of hours. I realize that Grossman has been criticized for an un-scientific method of data collection but I'm not actually writing this post to critique or exonerate Grossman. The point was rather that a person could use Grossmanian ideas about psychology, calling briefly on Freudian concepts (which always make for good storytelling) and write up a character which psychologically would be the ultimate fictional killer.

There are many better men here on Dumpshock who will always write a better statistical character than I. But just in terms of the wishy washy background crap, I've thrown together the following outline you can use to justify your super munchkin terminator in storygaming terms and resume your honest roll-playing.

1.) The character must not have recieved "proper" social conditioning regarding the restraint of lethal behavior in any way, shape, or form. Therefore, the character should have been a small child growing up in a brutal African civil war at the height of its bloodthirsty atrocities and inducted as a child soldier.

2.) The character must have continued the lifestyle of the child soldier, complete with intense quantities of combat experience, successfully for years. According to Grossman, US soldiers in WWII started to come apart mentally after more than 2 months of constant combat without breaks. So we have to frame this character in the sense of being normalized to precisely these sorts of long spells of killing, death, and stress. The concept is that rather than having been forced to shift mental gears and endure stress, the gears never had to be shifted in the first place. As Hyzmarca has pointed out these child soldiers probably have seen more combat than just about anyone on the planet.

3.) Perhaps the character should be female? There's be no questions of pride, ego, or biological behaviors associated with violent conflict (fight, flight, submission, posture, all from Grossman). It'd just be pure, clean reality of violence without social filters or biological pre-programming towards non-lethal outcomes. No surrender, no expectation of mercy, no attempt to mitigate the horror. Zero to surreal nightmare machine in 1 second flat.

4.) The character needs to have a reason to have left or been able to leave the conflict which spawned him/her, and appear in the setting of the game campaign. Perhaps the character, living in a world of completely normalized violence and terror, just doesn't think much of risking life and limb on a whim just to walk somewhere else and see something different leaving a trail of bodies behind if necessary. Perhaps the character is just being very calculating and ends up seeking out places where violence is safer to commit in the long run and has bigger payoffs.

5.) Very importantly, I think the character must be a perfect strategist and tactician. It's one thing that can be used in terms of story or character development to explain why this particular character survived as long as he or she did. You can also argue that an almost superhuman detachment from normal emotions in combat situations has allowed for a nearly contemplative perfect distillation of essential strategies.
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- Wounded Ronin   Ultimate Grossmanian warrior as fleshed out PC   Jan 10 2008, 04:18 AM
- - Critias   It's worth pointing out that, in the Shadowrun...   Jan 10 2008, 06:39 AM
- - Ryu   Yep. We might change to the Yucatan conflict. We h...   Jan 10 2008, 10:35 AM
- - FrankTrollman   Is the goal to have people make a legal starting c...   Jan 10 2008, 03:36 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...hmmm, the original Leela (#89) almost fits most...   Jan 10 2008, 07:06 PM
- - Lindt   KK, we have heard of the epics you write. The n...   Jan 11 2008, 04:45 AM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...yeah, the Short One (#90) is pretty unique. A ...   Jan 11 2008, 04:01 PM
- - Enigma   On a slightly similar vein, having watched Dexter ...   Jan 22 2008, 01:35 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Enigma) On a slightly similar vein, having ...   Jan 23 2008, 01:10 AM
- - mfb   the evidence i've encountered suggests that no...   Jan 23 2008, 01:18 AM
- - Kagetenshi   I'm going to concur—we're wired to pick ...   Jan 23 2008, 02:43 AM
- - Synner667   QUOTE (Critias) It's worth pointing out that, ...   Jan 31 2008, 10:05 PM
- - Synner667   QUOTE (mfb) the evidence i've encountered sugg...   Jan 31 2008, 10:09 PM
- - ElFenrir   Hmmm....gears are turning, here. Ok, im not too bu...   Jan 31 2008, 10:34 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Synner667) QUOTE (Critias @ Jan 10 200...   Feb 1 2008, 06:10 AM
- - Synner667   Yes, you're quite right.. ..And those stories ...   Feb 1 2008, 08:03 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Critias) how many gangs are either as sharp...   Feb 1 2008, 08:59 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Synner667) However, gangers with guns are h...   Feb 1 2008, 09:30 AM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 1 2008, 04:30 AM) We...   Feb 4 2008, 10:46 PM
- - ElFenrir   Ok, i re-read the thing, and while i had a concept...   Feb 1 2008, 11:03 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Why, though? I mean, you've read the books, se...   Feb 4 2008, 10:58 PM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Feb 4 2008, 05:58 PM)...   Feb 4 2008, 11:21 PM
- - mfb   i'd agree that most Barrens kids aren't go...   Feb 4 2008, 11:36 PM
- - Method   On the subject of sociopathic / antisocial behavio...   Feb 5 2008, 02:48 AM
|- - djinni   QUOTE (Method @ Feb 4 2008, 10:48 PM) Poi...   Feb 5 2008, 02:56 AM
|- - hyzmarca   I would submit that there is a rather large differ...   Feb 5 2008, 04:02 AM
|- - Method   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 4 2008, 08:02 PM) I...   Feb 5 2008, 04:50 AM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Method @ Feb 4 2008, 11:50 PM) Whi...   Feb 5 2008, 05:21 AM
- - Method   Well, yes. Saying they "lack empathy" s...   Feb 5 2008, 03:10 AM
- - mfb   mmm... actually, i find that scenario way more lik...   Feb 5 2008, 04:26 AM
- - mfb   it's worth pointing out that the fact that he ...   Feb 5 2008, 04:55 AM
- - Method   Perhaps, but thats not a given. There are plenty ...   Feb 5 2008, 05:05 AM
|- - mfb   QUOTE (Method @ Feb 5 2008, 12:05 AM) Per...   Feb 5 2008, 06:21 AM
- - Kagetenshi   FWIW, while RAD/NPD I believe is not considered to...   Feb 5 2008, 05:16 AM
- - Method   Kagetenshi: You are correct, but the difference h...   Feb 5 2008, 05:26 AM
- - Method   @ hyzmarca: Once again, I see your point, but my i...   Feb 5 2008, 05:32 AM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Method @ Feb 5 2008, 12:32 AM) @ h...   Feb 5 2008, 06:03 AM
- - Kanada Ten   I'm thinking metahuman biodrone is the quickes...   Feb 5 2008, 05:40 AM
- - Method   What about a Yomi survivor?   Feb 5 2008, 05:49 AM
- - Method   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 4 2008, 10:03 PM) M...   Feb 5 2008, 07:06 AM
- - mfb   QUOTE (Method)I think that you could find Grossman...   Feb 5 2008, 07:33 AM
- - knasser   Is there anybody else here who is sickened by a fa...   Feb 5 2008, 07:45 AM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (knasser @ Feb 5 2008, 02:45 AM) Is...   Feb 5 2008, 08:06 AM
|- - Synner667   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 5 2008, 08:06 AM) S...   Feb 5 2008, 08:24 AM
||- - knasser   QUOTE (Synner667 @ Feb 5 2008, 08:24 AM) ...   Feb 5 2008, 08:44 AM
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||- - Synner667   QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 5 2008, 02:10 PM) Ei...   Feb 5 2008, 08:32 PM
||- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Synner667 @ Feb 5 2008, 03:32 PM) ...   Feb 5 2008, 09:07 PM
|||- - Fortune   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 6 2008, 08:07 AM) Y...   Feb 5 2008, 10:57 PM
||- - Critias   QUOTE (Synner667 @ Feb 5 2008, 03:32 PM) ...   Feb 6 2008, 06:37 AM
|- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 5 2008, 03:06 AM) t...   Feb 5 2008, 01:43 PM
- - Fortune   I was getting all set to argue with you ... until ...   Feb 5 2008, 08:11 AM
- - The Monk   Couldn't you just create a setting in the Barr...   Feb 5 2008, 08:27 AM
- - knasser   Hyzmarca, I've always read your posts with in...   Feb 5 2008, 08:36 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (knasser @ Feb 5 2008, 07:36 PM) .....   Feb 5 2008, 08:43 AM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (knasser @ Feb 5 2008, 03:36 AM) Hy...   Feb 5 2008, 10:12 AM
- - mfb   QUOTE (knasser)Is there anybody else here who is s...   Feb 5 2008, 08:51 AM
- - Method   QUOTE (Synner667 @ Feb 5 2008, 12:24 AM) ...   Feb 5 2008, 08:54 PM
- - mfb   what's so bad about fava beans? QUOTE (Synner...   Feb 6 2008, 04:19 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (mfb @ Feb 6 2008, 03:19 PM) what...   Feb 6 2008, 04:48 AM
- - DocTaotsu   I've read several articles on child soldiers o...   Feb 6 2008, 11:13 AM
- - hyzmarca   http://web.archive.org/web/19991008231638/...n99/P...   Jun 25 2008, 02:54 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   Are there any statistics on how often that sort of...   Jun 26 2008, 05:11 PM
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