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post Jun 4 2008, 03:54 AM
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This has come up now a few times in a game I'm running, and I wanted to know what other people's take on this spell / ruling is.
One of my players has the spell Mana Static. He regularly uses this spell to throw up a static at 1 less than his Magic rating, and then drops it the next round. During the 1 round of rating 4 background count all spirits of force 4 or less immediately go pop, making it a ridiculously effective AoE spirit killer. He doesn't use spirits himself, so he's happy to just hose everything around himself any time someone starts using spirits. Even if they aren't force 4 or less, they still get ganked, because they are now force 1 or 2.

As I understand the rules on permanent spells, that means they go in to effect the moment you cast it, but the effects revert if you stop sustaining the spell before it has attained permanence. Therefore when he stops sustaining the spell the effects immediately dissapate. The spirits, however, have already been disrupted, so they can't come back.


Can someone please tell me if I've got this wrong, or if Mana Static really is just that broken.
Yes, I'm aware that the Drain is brutal, but for a spell that can basically one shot a lot of encounters, it's so worth it.
(Note; Also, I'm not asking for house rules, because I can easily make those up myself. I just don't like to house rule stuff unless I'm sure the original rules don't work).
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- Dr Funfrock   Mana Static - Query   Jun 4 2008, 03:54 AM
- - Jaid   that sounds about right. note that any spells he h...   Jun 4 2008, 04:01 AM
|- - Dr Funfrock   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 3 2008, 11:01 PM) and t...   Jun 4 2008, 05:39 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   it's a great spell with a great use vs a parti...   Jun 4 2008, 04:02 AM
- - Fortune   My spellslinging characters tend to use Slaughter ...   Jun 4 2008, 04:07 AM
|- - Daier Mune   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 3 2008, 11:07 PM) My...   Jun 4 2008, 04:39 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Daier Mune @ Jun 4 2008, 02:39 PM)...   Jun 4 2008, 05:19 AM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 3 2008, 10:19 PM) No...   Jun 4 2008, 05:39 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   I can never justify taking non multi-purpose spell...   Jun 4 2008, 04:24 AM
- - Fortune   Normally I feel the same way, but I make an except...   Jun 4 2008, 04:39 AM
- - Dr Funfrock   Also, Fortune, re: Slaughter Spirits, it's coo...   Jun 4 2008, 06:18 AM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jun 4 2008, 12:18 AM...   Jun 4 2008, 06:23 AM
|- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jun 3 2008, 11:18 PM...   Jun 4 2008, 06:46 AM
||- - Kerberos   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jun 4 2008, 02:46 ...   Jun 4 2008, 07:01 AM
||- - Oracle   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jun 4 2008, 08:46 ...   Jun 5 2008, 06:54 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jun 4 2008, 04:18 PM...   Jun 4 2008, 06:47 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   I'm pretty sure you actually need to roll the ...   Jun 4 2008, 06:23 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   Beat you, Fortune Muahahaha.   Jun 4 2008, 06:50 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jun 4 2008, 04:50 ...   Jun 4 2008, 07:56 AM
- - Dr Funfrock   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Jun 4 2008, 01:23 ...   Jun 4 2008, 07:40 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   I admit, the multi-casting part was an edit - but ...   Jun 4 2008, 07:59 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock)This I have to contend. Three S...   Jun 4 2008, 08:01 AM
|- - Dr Funfrock   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 4 2008, 03:01 AM) Wh...   Jun 4 2008, 07:22 PM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jun 4 2008, 02:22 PM...   Jun 4 2008, 08:06 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jun 5 2008, 05:22 AM...   Jun 4 2008, 10:35 PM
|- - Dr Funfrock   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 4 2008, 05:35 PM) Ye...   Jun 4 2008, 11:55 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jun 5 2008, 09:55 AM...   Jun 5 2008, 12:11 AM
|- - Dr Funfrock   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 4 2008, 07:11 PM) So...   Jun 5 2008, 12:58 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jun 5 2008, 10:58 AM...   Jun 5 2008, 03:31 AM
|- - Kerberos   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 4 2008, 11:31 PM) A ...   Jun 5 2008, 09:30 AM
- - FrankTrollman   Mana Static does not need to be cast on the same p...   Jun 4 2008, 08:29 AM
- - Ryu   I´d cast Slaughter Spirit at Force 11 before I´d...   Jun 4 2008, 12:56 PM
- - Magus   If I recall Mana Static is not a permanent spell. ...   Jun 4 2008, 07:55 PM
- - MaxHunter   but do not forget the after effects!! If y...   Jun 4 2008, 08:37 PM
|- - Shiloh   QUOTE (MaxHunter @ Jun 4 2008, 09:37 PM) ...   Jun 4 2008, 08:52 PM
- - Sma   QUOTE Slaughter is way cooler, but I'm playing...   Jun 4 2008, 08:43 PM
- - Ryu   1. All plans where you just need to have 8+ hits a...   Jun 4 2008, 09:19 PM
- - Adarael   I'm not sure that having one really great spel...   Jun 4 2008, 10:54 PM
- - Ryu   Drain is always rounded down. Why should someone ...   Jun 5 2008, 01:51 AM
- - Nefacio   continuing with the example of force 8 spirits, le...   Jun 5 2008, 05:05 AM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (Nefacio @ Jun 5 2008, 07:05 AM) co...   Jun 5 2008, 10:43 AM
- - Fortune   But it is still a fixed location, which the mage a...   Jun 5 2008, 06:37 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...;may+...   Jun 5 2008, 07:01 AM
- - Oracle   Thank you! I apparently missed that answer.   Jun 5 2008, 07:03 AM
- - Fortune   True. I'm not at all discounting the usefulnes...   Jun 5 2008, 10:35 AM
- - WeaverMount   That said We are basically looking at 2 situations...   Jun 5 2008, 05:52 PM
|- - Nefacio   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Jun 5 2008, 02:52 PM...   Jun 5 2008, 09:58 PM
- - Fortune   Relying on Edge expenditure when making calculatio...   Jun 5 2008, 11:07 PM
|- - WeaverMount   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 5 2008, 06:07 PM) Re...   Jun 6 2008, 07:00 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   I agree with fortune that slaughter spirits is pro...   Jun 6 2008, 12:28 AM
- - Fortune   My post from the nerfing thread dealing with this ...   Jun 6 2008, 12:58 AM
- - Mordinvan   I can easily see where you are comeing from on tha...   Jun 6 2008, 04:54 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Jun 6 2008, 02:54 PM) ...   Jun 6 2008, 09:46 AM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 6 2008, 11:46 AM) I...   Jun 6 2008, 10:53 AM
|- - Tarantula   QUOTE (Ryu @ Jun 6 2008, 04:53 AM) I do n...   Jun 6 2008, 01:30 PM
- - Fortune   That's not what I mean (which I suspect you kn...   Jun 6 2008, 09:41 AM
- - W@geMage   Also don't forget that casting multiple spells...   Jun 6 2008, 10:35 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (W@geMage @ Jun 6 2008, 08:35 PM) A...   Jun 6 2008, 03:08 PM
- - WeaverMount   A clarification here would be nice. Actually I re...   Jun 6 2008, 07:43 PM
- - WeaverMount   A clarification here would be nice. Actually I re...   Jun 6 2008, 07:44 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Jun 7 2008, 05:44 AM...   Jun 6 2008, 11:20 PM
- - Jaid   edge only bypasses net hits with edge dice. and on...   Jun 6 2008, 08:28 PM
|- - Mordinvan   QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 6 2008, 01:28 PM) edge ...   Jun 7 2008, 04:09 AM
- - WeaverMount   First you said it wasn't fair to spend only on...   Jun 7 2008, 12:58 AM
|- - Jaid   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Jun 6 2008, 07:58 PM...   Jun 7 2008, 02:16 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Jun 7 2008, 10:58 AM...   Jun 7 2008, 02:26 AM
|- - WeaverMount   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 6 2008, 09:26 PM) No...   Jun 7 2008, 02:43 AM
||- - Fortune   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Jun 7 2008, 12:43 PM...   Jun 7 2008, 03:38 AM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 6 2008, 09:26 PM) As...   Jun 7 2008, 02:51 AM
|- - Dr Funfrock   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 6 2008, 09:26 PM) As...   Jun 7 2008, 07:39 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jun 7 2008, 05:39 PM...   Jun 7 2008, 07:51 AM
- - Cthulhudreams   Man, who cares. It is 100% the case that slaughter...   Jun 7 2008, 01:55 AM
- - WeaverMount   Ok rather than call me insane would you like to po...   Jun 7 2008, 02:26 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Jun 7 2008, 12:26 PM...   Jun 7 2008, 02:32 AM
- - WeaverMount   >... is merely good at taking out spirits on yo...   Jun 7 2008, 03:23 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Jun 7 2008, 01:23 PM...   Jun 7 2008, 03:53 AM
- - WeaverMount   Fortune, I'm fully aware it was Cthulhudreams ...   Jun 7 2008, 06:06 AM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (WeaverMount @ Jun 7 2008, 04:06 PM...   Jun 7 2008, 06:38 AM
- - FrankTrollman   Mana Static is not more reliable. To kill the Forc...   Jun 7 2008, 06:39 AM
- - FrankTrollman   If it took an entire combat round just to get a Ba...   Jun 7 2008, 08:06 AM
- - Earlydawn   I don't think anybody is upset with it nullify...   Jun 7 2008, 10:05 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Earlydawn @ Jun 7 2008, 05:05 AM) ...   Jun 7 2008, 01:11 PM
|- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 7 2008, 09:11 ...   Jun 7 2008, 01:44 PM
|- - Dr Funfrock   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 7 2008, 09:11 ...   Jun 7 2008, 06:39 PM
- - Fortune   I'm quite alright with making it semi-useless ...   Jun 7 2008, 04:11 PM
- - Cthulhudreams   The point where it becomes more effective to take ...   Jun 7 2008, 04:14 PM
- - Fortune   So your point is that there really should be only ...   Jun 7 2008, 04:33 PM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 7 2008, 11:33 AM) So...   Jun 7 2008, 04:38 PM
- - Fortune   Because game balance goes beyond the edge of my pe...   Jun 7 2008, 04:48 PM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jun 7 2008, 11:48 AM) Be...   Jun 7 2008, 05:00 PM
|- - Fortune   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 8 2008, 03:00 ...   Jun 7 2008, 11:29 PM
- - WeaverMount   I gave a little to much ground, and pushed my argu...   Jun 7 2008, 05:53 PM
- - Apathy   Regardless of whether it would be useful for offen...   Jun 7 2008, 05:56 PM
- - Zak   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 7 2008, 08:11 ...   Jun 7 2008, 07:12 PM
|- - Dr Funfrock   QUOTE (Zak @ Jun 7 2008, 03:12 PM) In com...   Jun 8 2008, 07:36 AM
|- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jun 8 2008, 02:36 AM...   Jun 8 2008, 09:53 AM
|- - Dr Funfrock   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jun 8 2008, 05:53 ...   Jun 8 2008, 05:39 PM
|- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Jun 8 2008, 01:39 PM...   Jun 9 2008, 04:31 AM
- - Ryu   Mana Static can protect your allies when you are a...   Jun 8 2008, 08:16 PM
- - WeaverMount   QUOTE (Ryu @ Jun 8 2008, 03:16 PM) Force ...   Jun 9 2008, 05:38 AM
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